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#1 Jun 08 2014 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent
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since this wasnt answered in the previous thread I figured id make a new one that focus soley on this subject.

Imma brd with

Accuracy 494
crit hit rate 436
determination 269

Now my weapon has +40 acc and +26 skill speed

I wanna replace it with +31 crit hit rate and +22 (or +31) Determination.

Now Im guessing youd say keep the acc as im already not capped while swapping the skill speed with crit hit for bloodletter proc.. However increasing crit by 31 isnt gonna make me see a significant change in crit hit rate (i.e the obvious difference between a thf in FFXI's crit hit rate and everyone elses), also even if it did crit hitting every other shot (highly unlikely) doesnt guaranteed bloodletter will proc, just means I get more CHANCES for it to happen. But doesnt necessarily mean it will. Whereas a determination increase is a guaranteed high number standard damage than before the determination increase off EVERY shot, and if im hitting harder mean my DPS will increase right? Now Im not saying Im right otherwise i wouldnt be asking the question. Im just giving my thoughts on the matter and hoping some number cruncher may correct me on what it is I may not be seeing.
#2 Jun 08 2014 at 12:52 AM Rating: Excellent
If my math is correct, replacing your weapon would put you at 454 acc. It is not worth going that far below acc cap to gain a semi-harder hit on 8/10 - 9/10 hits (in coils). 31 Det =/= 40 acc.
#3 Jun 08 2014 at 1:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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What content are you doing? The ACC cap for T8 and T9 is around 505-515 (?) for melee/physical IIRC. It might be 515 but 505 will put you at 99.9% hit rate. I've not noticed any misses on my BRD sitting at 507. The cap is lower for T6 and T7. For BLM, I remember T6/7 was 448 ACC and T8/T9 was 470 ACC. So, roughly 20 accuracy.

CRIT is very important for BRD: more important than any other stat after being ACC capped. It's the only DPS class I feel has a mandatory secondary stat outside of DEX (and ACC till capped).

Let's speak in theoretical terms. Let's say you eventually reach a CRIT 'cap' where you get more bloodletter procs than you can expend due to the GCD. Then, and only then, would it be more beneficial to stack another stat. As far as I'm aware, this CRIT cap would be very high. Probably in the 700s if not higher. AKA: not really attainable at this time.

TLDR: Stack CRIT.

What content are you doing, Duo? We may be able to adjust your ACC based on how you reply.
#4 Jun 08 2014 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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well my acc is 515-518 right now but wen I replace my bard body il90 piece with my soldiery il100 piece thats when Ill be at 494 (an dim gonna do that regardless so yeah) so as for the weapon.. giving up the acc isnt worth it.. ok fine so tat means acc stays but skill speed goes... the question now is which do I replace it with? det or crit hit rate? will id be better to do a guarantee more base damage per hit or just a CHANCE to do a crit hit more often which will again give me a CHANCE for blood-letter to proc more.... Id say a guarantee > than something thats completely up to luck/chance... but Ill let you guys decide that for me soooooo?

as for what content Im doing... everything.. or at least plan to at some point soooo may as well be ready for it when I do

Edited, Jun 8th 2014 10:57am by DuoMaxwellxx
#5 Jun 08 2014 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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don't forget you can always make up some accuracy with food if you need to. preferably you would want to use something like buttons in a blanket HQ if your ACC capped, but if it isn't use ACC food. for BRD make sure it has crit on it for the reasons hitome stated.
#6 Jun 09 2014 at 1:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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as for what content Im doing... everything.. or at least plan to at some point soooo may as well be ready for it when I do


You just have to be aware of your accuracy requirements bro. Pretty sure caps are around the following for frontal accuracy (flank and rear are lower):
- Coil T1-4: 470
- Coil T5: 480
- Coil T6/7: 490
- Coil T8: 500
- Coil T9: 510+

Moogle Ex and Levi are apparently around 480.

Basically, you can give up that accuracy and sit at 494 without any issues in any content but T8/T9.

Spend a little bit of time farming up some more accuracy items so you can meet the cap regardless, then you can chop and change gear depending on the situation, to do things like Max out your DPS when accuracy isn't an issue, or meet the accuracy cap.

Having said all that it's clear that you're working on Novus, and realistically, by the time most of us are done, there's going to be more gear choices around courtesy of CT. In short though, yeah, go for the DPS stats on the bow. I'd do the same If I was upgrading Artemis.
#7 Jun 09 2014 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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513 for frontal accuracy on Turn 8/9.

You definitely won't ever need that on turn 8 as a bard so just go with the positional requirements from T6/7 and you'll do fine. If you end up being a bit under the cap (like 5-6 points, not 10+) on Bard it isn't that huge of a deal. You deal in a priority system, not a combo rotation, thus missing a hit isn't anywhere near a detrimental as missing a Full Thrust on Dragoon would.

Cap's definitely preferred, but it won't completely ***** you over like it would a melee.
#8 Jun 18 2014 at 7:52 AM Rating: Excellent
ACC cap for T5 is 472 for Twin and 486 on the Snakes.

Dou, are you gathering Soldiery for your Bard? Focus on the Accessory slots first, many of which have ACC that you can't get for those slots before the Weathered Auroral Set.

Are you up to doing Leviathan yet? The Wave Bow is not a bad place to get Accuracy either.

I found this link incredibly helpful for looking at what gear choices to aim for:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/

It shows all the gear options for each slot, can be filtered for post-90 gear, and even shows where the gear comes from over on the far right.
#9 Jun 18 2014 at 8:14 AM Rating: Excellent
Your going to want to eat HQ Deviled Eggs for everything unless you need an extra boost to hit Acc cap.

For ACC you want Stuffed Cabbage.

The new thing is to eat Lava Toad Legs for ACC. I make my own, but otherwise they are cost prohibitive. Also they don't pack the punch that Deviled Eggs do if you can manage to hit the ACC cap with just your gear.

Edited, Jun 18th 2014 10:15am by Gnu
#10 Jun 18 2014 at 9:12 AM Rating: Default
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Gnu wrote:
ACC cap for T5 is 472 for Twin and 486 on the Snakes.

Dou, are you gathering Soldiery for your Bard? Focus on the Accessory slots first, many of which have ACC that you can't get for those slots before the Weathered Auroral Set.

Are you up to doing Leviathan yet? The Wave Bow is not a bad place to get Accuracy either.

I found this link incredibly helpful for looking at what gear choices to aim for:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/

It shows all the gear options for each slot, can be filtered for post-90 gear, and even shows where the gear comes from over on the far right.




I have full soldiery gear aside from a second ring since theres no second il100 soldiery ring that a brd can wear so Im still wearing my il90 hero rings of aiming and nope having done leviathan at all (except for story version) im using animus bow.
#11 Jun 18 2014 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent
Well you are all set then. What content are you going for right now? Second Coil?
#12 Jun 18 2014 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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working on novus lol
#13 Jun 18 2014 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
The most efficient way is to determine the ACC cap for each piece of content, and then switch out gear so you maximize CRIT while just barely hitting the ACC cap.

It's great someone has listed the caps for Second Coil up above. Take that cap value and then deduct the 10 or 17 ACC you get from foods and shuffle gear around.

What you seem to be asking is how to upgrade Novus that will fit all situations. That is going to change though, depending on what you upgrade next. Since DEX > Crit, you will not exactly be shuffling any of your Soldiery bought gear around until you have the appropriate Second Coil dropped High Allagan, or the Weathered gear upgrade item from T7.

If you really want to be maxed on stats for all situations, you will have to take a look at what path you plan to take in upgrading Weathered to 110 or what items you are most likely to get as drops from Second Coil (such as the Bard Pants from T6), and then work backwards to see where that will leave you to hit caps for each Turn. Using that link up above you can click various gear to see what the totals will be. You can even include the food. See the totals at the bottom of the list, created by adding the stats of the gear you highlight from each gear slot.

Appropriately, there does not seem to be a single best way, but rather it takes a careful examination of the combinations and gear you have available to decide what to wear, where.



Edited, Jun 18th 2014 3:31pm by Gnu
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