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#27 Jun 06 2014 at 9:33 AM Rating: Default
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Yes this is a serious question so I expect non trollling responses.


Well, given the poster it's hard to expect that Smiley: tongue

It's easy. I log in once a day, tank a roulette Expert, takes me 20 minutes total.

On the weekend I might put in more time, go fail some more Titan EX's or grind some coil greed parties for other jobs, send retainer out, etc. I'm not stressing about the new content, because I don't feel the need to kill myself when the content will get nerfed. I'm having fun doing the older content at a casual pace, and slowly getting more ilvl100 gear.

And yes, I have plenty of gaming time. I probably spend like 20-30 hours a week gaming. I don't mean to sound condescending but... the monthly fee is completely unnoticeable to me. I spend more per week on drinks and chips from 7-11 during work.

PS: Why would you PAY for a t3 run, when you can START a Party Finder? How do you think those parties get started!?


Edited, Jun 6th 2014 10:59am by Louiscool



did you not read what I said.. first off we're already off the "getting my moneys worth for what im paying" part so your comments on that are now irrelevant. AS for t3 I answered that too... did you not see the part about "I didnt do coil until AFTER it was made farmable and the lockouts were removed", since t3 dropped NO gear and you only need to complete it ONCE to gain access to turn 6 (once you finish the other 4 turns), everyone who needed t3 completed it PRE coil 1-5 farm able lockout removal.... when I tried to DUuty finder t3 after the lockout was removed I sat there for 3+ hours in queue and nothing popped.. and even in PARTY FINDER ive only ever to this day since the lockout removal seen a PF for turn 3 TWICE and NO ONE but the person who created the PF joined the group/. So buying it was the only option since clearly no one was doing it anymore.... all that was already explained in previous posts.


As for the person who said they play casually and dont car about being behind as they have not done an extreme yet etc etc. I dont care about being behind either, i mean if you leave for months of course youre gonna be behind.... what I DO care about is when I do come back and finally DO decide to do that content. Ill still be able to find ppl who are STILL doing it and getting it done a opposed to it being a T3 situation (like explained above) or Ultima hard where no one is doing i anymore so now not only are yo behind but you cant progress because no one is doing it so youll NEVER see that content (even though youre ready to see it now) OR you have to pay someone to get it done.. when if you had done it on day one when everyone was still doing it youd have gotten it done and over with and avoided that situation.


Now if SE removed level syncs and party requirements for old content that no one is doing and thus made it soloable (kind alike dynamis is now in FFXI) then Id be golden because Id know even if i stopped for years, whenever I DID finally come back I kniw ill be able to do whatever I missed out on with no problems because i don have to depend on anyone else to get it done and can just jump in and do it myself thus being able to do it at my own pace without having to wait, hours, days or weeks for a group who FINALLY wants to do it. Or without having to pay an FC to run me through it.
#28 Jun 06 2014 at 9:40 AM Rating: Default
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PS: Why would you PAY for a t3 run, when you can START a Party Finder? How do you think those parties get started!?


I don't get it either. And people are complaining that this game doesn't encourage socializing.



starting a pf and wating for PPL to fill it =/= socializing....

I do it for brayflox daily.. ppl join we do like 20 runs no one talks at all, no friends are made.. no strategy is needed for the fights so nothing to go over... heck you dont even remember the ppls name the next day... whereas in FFXI you HAD to be in a linkshell and thus make friends know ppl to experience all if not a vast majority of FFXIs endgame... with XIV.. all you have to do is slap on DF and wait (then get ppl from different servers who youll never see or talk to again) get it done and go our separate ways. Wouldnt call that socializing..

even in dynamis you ha to socialize for strategy.. you had to be told what to pull where to pull it too what order to fight things in who to assist in fighting etc etc.. where as CT which is the closest thing to Dynamis in FFXIV right now... everyone just does there own thing and not socializing or "explanation of the fights" are done/needed
#29 Jun 06 2014 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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where as CT which is the closest thing to Dynamis in FFXIV right now


Smiley: dubious

CT is nothing like Dynamis.
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#30 Jun 06 2014 at 9:47 AM Rating: Default
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where as CT which is the closest thing to Dynamis in FFXIV right now


Smiley: dubious

CT is nothing like Dynamis.



large group of ppl/part size (24 as compared to dynamises 64) and crap load of mobs with lots of stuff going on in all direction of the screen at once... Dynamis would be just like C if everyone fought the mobs at the same time while theyre all awake instead if sleeping them all and fighting one at a time

like i said its the CLOSEST thing to dynamis we have on XIV right now.. not that its a carbon copy direct clone of dynamis.
#31 Jun 06 2014 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Someone smart said the definition of insanity is repeating the same action expecting different results. If you're really looking for more socialization and challenge, then join a coil 2 static. Otherwise, keep pluggin away at that Brayflox and CT and keep wondering why you're always rated into oblivion.
#32 Jun 06 2014 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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CT is nothing like Dynamis.


It's still the closest thing to it. Old Dynamis, anyway.

I can't think of many people who were doing Dynamis back then with a single party and not an alliance.
#33 Jun 06 2014 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Saying that it's like Dynamis because you use an alliance for it is incredibly misleading. There is no event in FFXIV equivalent (or even close) to Dynamis at this time.
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#34 Jun 06 2014 at 10:01 AM Rating: Excellent
So when you join a party finder you don't talk to the people in your party? I chat up a storm.

Hell, I made a friend randomly when I was mining mythril, a very much solitary activity. Someone complimented me on my choice of Dalamud Red for the miner's AF set. We got to chatting about dye colors. A few minutes later, friend request done.

#35 Jun 06 2014 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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starting a pf and wating for PPL to fill it =/= socializing....

Just on it's own, it certainly isn't. But I think PF could be a more social experience, and the kind of leadership that the PF starter shows goes a long way in that.

And by showing leadership, I don't mean that the PF starter needs to know every aspect of the fight and give out detailed commands to each party member. If the PF starter initiates some discussion about possible strategies, I'm more likely to chime in with my own 2 cents. If the PF starter greets people as they join and engages in some social chit chat, I'm more likely to respond in kind. If the PF starter doesn't say a word, even after I say my "Hello" after joining, I'm less likely to do any of those things.
#36 Jun 06 2014 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Saying that it's like Dynamis because you use an alliance for it is incredibly misleading. There is no event in FFXIV equivalent (or even close) to Dynamis at this time.


Aye aye. It'd need to be more of a logistical & management nightmare and a 4 hour commitment, doing so easy content that I can focus on watching the Shark Tank.
#37 Jun 06 2014 at 10:09 AM Rating: Excellent
Duo, I'd love to see your list of Top 5 reasons why you're still playing this game. For real.
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#38 Jun 06 2014 at 10:11 AM Rating: Default
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Someone smart said the definition of insanity is repeating the same action expecting different results. If you're really looking for more socialization and challenge, then join a coil 2 static. Otherwise, keep pluggin away at that Brayflox and CT and keep wondering why you're always rated into oblivion.



Well Ive already said before in older postsa joining a static is out of the question for me since my work hours and days off change weekly and my scedule isnt set in stone.. thus being able to commit to playing a specific time and day of the week would be impossible in my situation
#39 Jun 06 2014 at 10:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Saying that it's like Dynamis because you use an alliance for it is incredibly misleading.


That's your opinion.
#40 Jun 06 2014 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
CT has some of the same feelings for me as Dynamis, but it's too disorganized and has too many bosses to really be equivalent.

Dyna had a lot of careful trash mob pulls in between bosses, and also had multiple ways for you to achieve the objectives in the zone. CT has very few trash mobs (mostly just a crapton of adds), more bosses, each with a unique gimmick, and only one way for you to achieve the objectives (and only one way to defeat each boss.)

Hell, you could SKIP one of the bosses in San d'Oria if you didn't want to bother getting the extra time. (Depending on the shell's strength, the extra 20 minutes gained by reaching that boss was lost by killing everything that was in front of it, resulting in a net loss of farm time. If you couldn't kill everything else in the zone, getting that last boss didn't help you achieve anything but wasting time.)
#41DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 06 2014 at 12:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) still waitin on that answer about stats btw
#42 Jun 06 2014 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Again, I'm failing to understand the argument about the whole "taking time off and getting behind".

The nature of MMO's is they constantly develop content to keep the game evolving and moving forward. You have the hard/midcore players who clear the content in between patches in time for the next, and then the casuals like myself who achieve what they can in the time frame and just keep plugging at it. A casual player who cares about staying up to date with content will work through it as best they can. A casual player who decides to take a several month break and be up to date, or even be able to catch up in a short time frame is being totally unrealistic. It's the whole entitlement culture all over again. "Hey guys, I'm back after not paying/playing for months, gimme my stuff." Short answer: go earn it. I haven't played XI since ARR launched, and I would never expect to be able to walk back into Vana'diel and be able to have all new content done in a short space of time. I fully expect any return I make to require hard graft to catch up, so not to dilute the achievements of those who did it as it occurred.

Now, if catching up AT ALL is impossible due to poor design, sure I get the frustration, but it is far too early in the game's lifespan to say this will be the case for the longterm. T3 is a good example to use, but at present it is also the ONLY example. Everything else is covered by a roulette, or has something desirable about it to keep people coming.
#43DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 06 2014 at 1:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) so why isnt ultima hm being farmed daily like t1-5 and ex primals?
#44 Jun 06 2014 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Again, I'm failing to understand the argument about the whole "taking time off and getting behind".
The argument is that the longer content is released, more people will have completed it and more reluctant to repeat it.
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#45 Jun 06 2014 at 2:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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The reason why Ultima HM isn't farmed like T1-5 and ex primals is because those instances (especially T1 and T2) are just as easy, drop better gear, and are also gateway instances to harder content, which Ultima HM isn't. Ultima HM was great at the time, but it is easier to gear alts to a higher standard in other content.

I understand the worry regarding people not running content, but SE have done a pretty good job of keeping old content relevant with roulettes, it is a little too early to panic :-)
#46 Jun 06 2014 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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did you not read what I said.. first off we're already off the "getting my moneys worth for what im paying" part so your comments on that are now irrelevant. AS for t3 I answered that too... did you not see the part about "I didnt do coil until AFTER it was made farmable and the lockouts were removed", since t3 dropped NO gear and you only need to complete it ONCE to gain access to turn 6 (once you finish the other 4 turns), everyone who needed t3 completed it PRE coil 1-5 farm able lockout removal.... when I tried to DUuty finder t3 after the lockout was removed I sat there for 3+ hours in queue and nothing popped.. and even in PARTY FINDER ive only ever to this day since the lockout removal seen a PF for turn 3 TWICE and NO ONE but the person who created the PF joined the group/. So buying it was the only option since clearly no one was doing it anymore.... all that was already explained in previous posts.


Wow, guy, no need for the hostilities.

1) You are not the last human on Earth that needs a T3 clear.
2) People, in my experience, enjoy helping others pretty frequently.
3) You don't have a single in-game friend who you could ask to help?
4) No linkshell either?

And before you, in all caps, tell me you answered this already, please be aware that all of your responses have been sub-d'd and therefore hidden to me.

So my suggestions would have been:

1 and 2) Make a party finder comment that you need help with the clear, maybe be nice about it.
3) Socialize and make some friends. I am very anti-social in game and I have a list full of them just from doing things and being nice.
4) Join a linkshell.

All of these actions, unfortunately for you, would require that your in-forum demeanor and behavior be quite different from how you act in-game. If you respond to people there like you do here, I'm certain no one joined your Party Finder because you are on their Blacklist.

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still waitin on that answer about stats btw


What's your iLVL, how are you not accuracy capped and why are you pretending that there are gear options lol. Buy more iLVLs. If you aren't accuracy capped as a BARD in Coil 1-5, you are doing something wrong. Source: I am a bard and I was capped at iLVL 70.

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 4:46pm by Louiscool
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#47 Jun 06 2014 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Again, I'm failing to understand the argument about the whole "taking time off and getting behind".

The nature of MMO's is they constantly develop content to keep the game evolving and moving forward. You have the hard/midcore players who clear the content in between patches in time for the next, and then the casuals like myself who achieve what they can in the time frame and just keep plugging at it.


Except they're not clearing it just in time for the next patch. Many people are done well before the next patch is released and there isn't much to bridge the gap. Maybe when they release the GS we'd have something to do to occupy the time we'd normally be waiting on new progression content. Until then, they're always faced with the possibility that people will just un-sub until the next patch comes.

I had a bit of a head start bringing a nearly capped class to ARR at launch. I still managed to cap 4 jobs, unlock all appropriate cross-class abilities and spells and progress through EX content. I don't consider myself hardcore because I wasn't on a schedule and didn't have a group dedicated to clearing endgame content, yet I still sit for 6-8 weeks prior to updates with not much to do.

At the current pace you'd have to be either extremely ambitious(wanting to cap all jobs, classes, professions, ect.) or extremely casual(time constricted) to work through the content they're releasing and finish your goals just before another update arrives. I can't really say that the game is flawed because it doesn't offer enough content to keep me busy, but it's definitely a valid reason for me not to sub.

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#48 Jun 06 2014 at 5:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nothing wrong with wanting your money's worth out of a product. I do find it a bit disheartening some do treat the monthly fee as trivial, though. Regardless, the sub model does put pressure on people and can contradict more casual approaches to gaming when/if you feel that clock ticking. Hell, this pressure manifests similarly when weekly resets approach and people aren't capped on their currency. You either feel pressured to play more to cap it off or resign yourself to falling behind, even if only a little. All those little incidents can and do add up, though.

Me going further will just turn this into P2P vs F2P, though.
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I may not always agree with your posts Filth, but in this occasion we seem to have opposite views that end up with a similar result.

You are saying there isn't enough content per patch cycle to keep people busy, and I'm saying that a game that receives regular updates shouldn't be so easy to catch up to "endgame" that people can take breaks for 2 months and achieve it in a week. In either of these situations, someone who claims to play casually shouldn't really be "entitled" to moan. Clear the "easymode" content with a ton of time to spare and take a break. Or when the game becomes saturated with content, don't take a break for 2 months, come back moaning you cant catch up as apparently it is impossible to socially interact in order to clear content, and then blame the game design for making it too hard to catch up. Don't want to be 2 months behind? Don't take 2 months off if it means that much to you.

I will be 1st to admit I play casually (2hrs a day is my average, 90% of which is taken up by roulettes), and if I decided a 2 month break was a good idea, I wouldn't expect to come back and gear up in a week. The amount of content released at the moment is about right for me.

I hope I'm not coming across as ranty, I just find posts that are contradictory or self defeating quite frustrating (not you Filth). It's the whole entitlement scenario again. Yes you pay a sub, yes it's different to a F2P, but I pay for gas and electricity monthly, provided they are supplying it to me, it's down to me what I use it for. They supply the content, if you choose to exclude some/take a break/whatever and then moan because "you don't want to do content X, I need more content Y now" or "I've been away for 2 months, it's so unfair I'm behind everyone", then you have made your own bed of nails, get comfy.
#50 Jun 06 2014 at 8:39 PM Rating: Default
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I may not always agree with your posts Filth, but in this occasion we seem to have opposite views that end up with a similar result.

You are saying there isn't enough content per patch cycle to keep people busy, and I'm saying that a game that receives regular updates shouldn't be so easy to catch up to "endgame" that people can take breaks for 2 months and achieve it in a week. In either of these situations, someone who claims to play casually shouldn't really be "entitled" to moan. Clear the "easymode" content with a ton of time to spare and take a break. Or when the game becomes saturated with content, don't take a break for 2 months, come back moaning you cant catch up as apparently it is impossible to socially interact in order to clear content, and then blame the game design for making it too hard to catch up. Don't want to be 2 months behind? Don't take 2 months off if it means that much to you.

I will be 1st to admit I play casually (2hrs a day is my average, 90% of which is taken up by roulettes), and if I decided a 2 month break was a good idea, I wouldn't expect to come back and gear up in a week. The amount of content released at the moment is about right for me.

I hope I'm not coming across as ranty, I just find posts that are contradictory or self defeating quite frustrating (not you Filth). It's the whole entitlement scenario again. Yes you pay a sub, yes it's different to a F2P, but I pay for gas and electricity monthly, provided they are supplying it to me, it's down to me what I use it for. They supply the content, if you choose to exclude some/take a break/whatever and then moan because "you don't want to do content X, I need more content Y now" or "I've been away for 2 months, it's so unfair I'm behind everyone", then you have made your own bed of nails, get comfy.


It'd be easier to see his stance if it were in any form applicable to reality. I've taken breaks and come back (usually around two weeks to a month) and it has been a non-issue to catch up to a stage that I don't feel like I am not being strong enough to do the contents. Exception to this is obviously the content you need a static for, but if you're going to be taking breaks/playing casually then perhaps statics aren't for you. SE makes sure that old content is still doable and while you can argue that there are a few oversights, in the long run these exceptions aren't the norm (and as SE becomes more experience with the little details regarding the endgame they can avoid making such mistakes in the future). To say you fall behind is just a convenient excuse to convince yourself that you can't take a break.
#51 Jun 06 2014 at 11:36 PM Rating: Default
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did you not read what I said.. first off we're already off the "getting my moneys worth for what im paying" part so your comments on that are now irrelevant. AS for t3 I answered that too... did you not see the part about "I didnt do coil until AFTER it was made farmable and the lockouts were removed", since t3 dropped NO gear and you only need to complete it ONCE to gain access to turn 6 (once you finish the other 4 turns), everyone who needed t3 completed it PRE coil 1-5 farm able lockout removal.... when I tried to DUuty finder t3 after the lockout was removed I sat there for 3+ hours in queue and nothing popped.. and even in PARTY FINDER ive only ever to this day since the lockout removal seen a PF for turn 3 TWICE and NO ONE but the person who created the PF joined the group/. So buying it was the only option since clearly no one was doing it anymore.... all that was already explained in previous posts.


Wow, guy, no need for the hostilities.

1) You are not the last human on Earth that needs a T3 clear.
2) People, in my experience, enjoy helping others pretty frequently.
3) You don't have a single in-game friend who you could ask to help?
4) No linkshell either?

And before you, in all caps, tell me you answered this already, please be aware that all of your responses have been sub-d'd and therefore hidden to me.

So my suggestions would have been:

1 and 2) Make a party finder comment that you need help with the clear, maybe be nice about it.
3) Socialize and make some friends. I am very anti-social in game and I have a list full of them just from doing things and being nice.
4) Join a linkshell.

All of these actions, unfortunately for you, would require that your in-forum demeanor and behavior be quite different from how you act in-game. If you respond to people there like you do here, I'm certain no one joined your Party Finder because you are on their Blacklist.

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still waitin on that answer about stats btw


What's your iLVL, how are you not accuracy capped and why are you pretending that there are gear options lol. Buy more iLVLs. If you aren't accuracy capped as a BARD in Coil 1-5, you are doing something wrong. Source: I am a bard and I was capped at iLVL 70.

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 4:46pm by Louiscool



I have plenty of ppl on my friends list however we talk so infrequently I dont even remember half the ppl on it. Yes I have a linkshell but its an RP linkshell.. and theyre so casual that they need MY help far more than I need theirs (i.e theyre not geared or caught up to doing the things Im doing to even be able to help me with said stuff).

As for making a PF why should I do that when Ive joined countless other PPLS PF that went nowhere because they couldnt get it to fill up... why would the results suddenly differ if I do it instead?

"All of these actions, unfortunately for you, would require that your in-forum demeanor and behavior be quite different from how you act in-game. If you respond to people there like you do here, I'm certain no one joined your Party Finder because you are on their Blacklist."

Surely you're intelligent and I would think youd think I am too, in fact not only am I intelligent but Im also, cunning, conniving and manipulative and quite well versed at getting what I want, as such if I think I have a use for you Id treat you very different to increase my chances of getting whatever if is I think I can get from you, and one thing I know about that subject is staying on someones base side is the VERY wrong way to get what you want from them or to get them to do what you want, point being im VERY capable of conducting myself accordingly if I believe its to my benefit, as such Im on a lot less peoples blacklists than you might think, dont be so naive as to think that what you see displayed her is how I am eveywhere, after all Im sure you know what they say about those who assume.

Infact on the phone last night with a friend while we were both plying even commented "God, you're quite nice and polite ingame.... if only these people knew how you REALLY are." So yes I can change my demeanor and behaviour quite well if and when it benefits me.

As for brd my Acc is 518 (which is above even t9 cap) and I m il98 also what do you mean pretending there are gear options? there very much ARE gear options
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