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#27 May 15 2014 at 12:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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You've brought this up a few times in your posts. Do you have any proof or just reading sites with their conspiracy theories?


A lot of the work on the first version of the game was outsourced to China, obviously with very little quality control. Much more of ARR was done in-house, and contracted work clearly had more scrutiny.

However, it was during the "construction" of FFXIV 1.0 (and not ARR) that SE really ditched the XI community.

Edited, May 15th 2014 11:24am by Thayos
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#28 May 15 2014 at 12:35 PM Rating: Default
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Thayos wrote:
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You've brought this up a few times in your posts. Do you have any proof or just reading sites with their conspiracy theories?


A lot of the work on the first version of the game was outsourced to China, obviously with very little quality control. Much more of ARR was done in-house, and contracted work clearly had more scrutiny.

However, it was during the "construction" of FFXIV 1.0 (and not ARR) that SE really ditched the XI community.

Edited, May 15th 2014 11:24am by Thayos


I've been following FFXIV ever since news came out that they were creating it and all i've ever read were conspiracy theories, never any proof that this was going on. If you guys have any proof that it was, I would definitely like to see.

Edited, May 15th 2014 2:36pm by Bidnastyme
#29 May 15 2014 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
Protip: Before accusing people of being conspiracy theorists, try doing a bit of research for yourself.
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#30 May 15 2014 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Thayos wrote:
Protip: Before accusing people of being conspiracy theorists, try doing a bit of research for yourself.


Protip: Read and understand what i'm saying before accusing me of calling anyone names....

Uh.....I'm not calling anyone conspiracy theorists, I'm just saying every bit of information on the webs about SE outsourcing from China were all speculations and assumptions. All complete conspiracy theorists without any proof. You guys are the ones saying it, show me proof because I can't find any.
#31 May 15 2014 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
Protip: Horsebirds.

Smiley: lol

Keep in mind, I'm regarded as a huge white knight of this game, but dude... portions of 1.0 were most certainly coded in China. That is, unless, SE has occasional "Casual Chinese Development Friday" kind of like we have "Hawaiian Shirt Friday."

Edited, May 15th 2014 11:49am by Thayos
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#32 May 15 2014 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Protip: Horsebirds.

Smiley: lol


Protip: Assumptions and speculation.
#33 May 15 2014 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
Protip: Don't try so hard to find your own truth that you look beyond the truth.


Again, I guarantee I'm a bigger "white knight" of this game than you'll ever be. Just ask Filth! I'm white-knighting this game all the time. But parts of 1.0 were certainly outsourced. SE has admitted this in interviews, too. Sadly, finding those interviews now is very difficult... search results are all stacked in favor of the recent news with ARR's China launch.


EDIT: To be fair, I don't subscribe to the rumor that the entire game was developed in China. The game's previous producer was way too much of a micromanager to let that happen. But large swaths of programming were definitely outsourced.... either that, or SE hired a bunch of Chinese coders who couldn't even write in Japanese, which would seem like a highly suspicious action for a JP gaming giant.

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#34 May 15 2014 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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Protip: Don't try so hard to find your own truth that you look beyond the truth.


Again, I guarantee I'm a bigger "white knight" of this game than you'll ever be. Just as Filth! I'm white-knighting this game all the time. But parts of 1.0 were certainly outsourced. SE has admitted this in interviews, too. Sadly, finding those interviews now is very difficult... search results are all stacked in favor of the recent news with ARR's China launch.

Edited, May 15th 2014 11:52am by Thayos


Again, Fanboy, white knight, troll or not, I could care less. I just care about facts and having followed this game since news came out it was being created, every single thing I've read have all been assumptions. You're saying they admitted it? Provide the facts. If they were true, It wouldnt be hard to find but as you can see, doing any search you would find nothing of the sorts besides articles of assumptions and speculations.
#35 May 15 2014 at 1:00 PM Rating: Excellent
You seem very unwilling to look at what's directly in front of you, but that's nobody's problem but your own.

Look on Google, and you'll find interviews in which SE says they outsource coding (which is common among game developers).

You'll also find evidence, including screenshots, that parts of XIV 1.0 were written in Chinese.

The likelihood that SE outsourced 1.0 to developers not in China who just happen to write in Chinese is very, very low...


Edited, May 15th 2014 12:05pm by Thayos
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#36 May 15 2014 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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You seem very unwilling to look at what's directly in front of you, but that's nobody's problem but your own.


You made the statement. You're the one saying that they outsourced and now you're conveniently saying that because of the china release you can't find any proof that what you're saying is true. Now who's the one unwilling to look at what's directly in front of them? As of right now, in front of me, there's no proof of what you're saying. And yes that's my problem. If you want to state something, show some proof because it's definitely not anywhere in front of me to see.
#37 May 15 2014 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're the one saying that they outsourced and now you're conveniently saying that because of the china release you can't find any proof that what you're saying is true. Now who's the one unwilling to look at what's directly in front of them?


Damn you Google, for giving search preference to news that isn't three years old!

I'm not going to chase your white rabbit for you. You can look on Google and literally see screenshots that prove the game was either coded in China or by Chinese developers who likely didn't work for SE. If you can't connect the dots between SE's past interviews and the proof that's there for all the world to see -- not to mention ALL the other weird incompatibility problems that existed in 1.0's coding, as if it were made with virtually no collaboration -- then you're willfully in denial of the truth, and there's nothing I can say to help you.

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#38 May 15 2014 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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You're the one saying that they outsourced and now you're conveniently saying that because of the china release you can't find any proof that what you're saying is true. Now who's the one unwilling to look at what's directly in front of them?


Damn you Google, for giving search preference to news that isn't three years old!

I'm not going to chase your white rabbit for you. You can look on Google and literally see screenshots that prove the game was coded in China. If you can't connect the dots between SE's past interviews and the proof that's there for all the world to see, then you're willfully in denial of the truth, and there's nothing I can say to help you.


LOL, I don't need your help. I'm just asking for proof. Arent you're the one saying so? Then show me proof. How am I willfully in denial of the truth when their is no proof in the truth you're speaking of?

Edited, May 15th 2014 3:13pm by Bidnastyme
#39 May 15 2014 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
Sounds like the only proof you're willing to accept is a detailed explanation by SE about exactly how much they outsourced. If that's what you're waiting for, you're never going to get it.

What we do have is SE admitting that they outsource, and screenshots/other information proving that parts of 1.0 were written by Chinese developers.

I'd love to know how that happened WITHOUT SE outsourcing parts of the game to China.
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#40 May 15 2014 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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What we do have is SE admitting that they outsource, and screenshots/other information proving that parts of 1.0 were written by Chinese developers.


You keep on saying this but show me the proof? Am I just suppose to take your word for it? I don't know you. If I told you ARR was outsourced from India, you're just going to take my word for it? The reason I'm arguing with you is because following this game, I've never seen SE admit to anything. It's just a bunch of assumptions and speculations.
#41 May 15 2014 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm not going to chase your white rabbit for you.

Use Google! You are more than capable. I shouldn't have to show you what's incredibly easy to find. I'm not your Moogle.

EDIT: New term: "Google Moogle."

Edited, May 15th 2014 12:32pm by Thayos
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#42 May 15 2014 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Thayos wrote:
I'm not going to chase your white rabbit for you.

Use Google! You are more than capable. I shouldn't have to show you what's incredibly easy to find. I'm not your Moogle.

EDIT: New term: "Google Moogle."

Edited, May 15th 2014 12:32pm by Thayos


Of course I'm capable of using a search engine. And what you're saying is not easy to find. I see nothing of what you're saying, been searching this whole time. That's why I put the owness on you. Even you yourself said that it's hard to find, and now you're telling me it's easy to find? If it's so easy, bring it. Show me that proof. I'm not asking you to chase no rabbit. I'm saying, if you make a statement, then back it up.
#43 May 15 2014 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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You keep on saying this but show me the proof? Am I just suppose to take your word for it? I don't know you. If I told you ARR was outsourced from India, you're just going to take my word for it? The reason I'm arguing with you is because following this game, I've never seen SE admit to anything. It's just a bunch of assumptions and speculations.


Thayos already gave you the only proof that has ever existed of 1.0's relation to China. He won't find anything else, because it doesn't exist. Now he's just trying to save face.

I've also been following the game since the original reveal. "The horsebirds" slowly became "parts of the game were developed in China" over-time, and it just kind of went off from there as an accepted hearsay-turned-into-fact. Now, the "fact" that you "aren't seeing here" is that when enough people believe something to be true, it automatically becomes true.

Hell, the hearsay-facts don't even stop there. I remember when the mantra was that when FFXI was doing good (Abyssea-era), Tanaka was "developing XIV" while there was some other guy in the lead of XI. Even though Tanaka was always producing both games and never "left" XI during the development of both games (there was absolutely zero evidence pointing otherwise). Either way, the narrative was convenient and everyone hates Tanaka so it doesn't have to be true to be accepted. Same case with the horsebirds I guess.

Edited, May 15th 2014 7:55pm by Hyanmen
#44 May 15 2014 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Wait a second! WoW is remaking WoW to a HD something or other and calling it WoD? Sorry, this is news to me. I loved WoW for a lot of things. Graphics was not one of them. If this is true I will be subbing two games.
#45 May 15 2014 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
Its not just about horsebirds. That's just the most funny piece of evidence.
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#46 May 15 2014 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Bidnastyme wrote:
Thayos wrote:
I'm not going to chase your white rabbit for you.

Use Google! You are more than capable. I shouldn't have to show you what's incredibly easy to find. I'm not your Moogle.

EDIT: New term: "Google Moogle."

Edited, May 15th 2014 12:32pm by Thayos


Of course I'm capable of using a search engine. And what you're saying is not easy to find. I see nothing of what you're saying, been searching this whole time. That's why I put the owness on you. Even you yourself said that it's hard to find, and now you're telling me it's easy to find? If it's so easy, bring it. Show me that proof. I'm not asking you to chase no rabbit. I'm saying, if you make a statement, then back it up.


The word is ONUS.

Google that shiz
#47 May 15 2014 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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Its not just about horsebirds. That's just the most funny piece of evidence.


No, it's about repeating a mantra so many times that nobody has any willpower to question it anymore.
#48 May 15 2014 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Well you can search and find that some parts of ffxv are being outsourced.. If they would do it for FFXV it isnt too hard to believe they would do it for XI or XIV
#49 May 15 2014 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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LebargeX wrote:
Bidnastyme wrote:
Thayos wrote:
I'm not going to chase your white rabbit for you.

Use Google! You are more than capable. I shouldn't have to show you what's incredibly easy to find. I'm not your Moogle.

EDIT: New term: "Google Moogle."

Edited, May 15th 2014 12:32pm by Thayos


Of course I'm capable of using a search engine. And what you're saying is not easy to find. I see nothing of what you're saying, been searching this whole time. That's why I put the owness on you. Even you yourself said that it's hard to find, and now you're telling me it's easy to find? If it's so easy, bring it. Show me that proof. I'm not asking you to chase no rabbit. I'm saying, if you make a statement, then back it up.


The word is ONUS.

Google that shiz


Spelling **** much? :)
#50 May 15 2014 at 2:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well you can search and find that some parts of ffxv are being outsourced.. If they would do it for FFXV it isnt too hard to believe they would do it for XI or XIV


Outsourcing is normal for big game companies, especially for such a huge undertaking as MMORPGs.

Honestly, the question isn't "Did SE outsource parts of XIV 1.0 to China?"

The real question should be, "Did the contractors who were working on parts of 1.0 work in China or someplace else?"

Without doing all the heavy lifting (because all of us are capable), here's some of the most pointed evidence:

- The katakana and hiragana alphabets, used in every other FF game, were absent from FFXIV 1.0. In its place was Kanji, which is shared by the Chinese. That's how the infamous "horse bird" came about. The dev team tried to save face about this by explaining that Eorzea was very old, and chocobos were still called "horse birds." Um, yeah.

- After the game was launched, it had to be promptly shut down for an emergency maintenance because a huge list of items were still listed in-game in Chinese. You can find screenshots online.

- SE put out job ads seeking network engineers fluent in Chinese to run the game's servers.

- SE outsources tasks for its games, including our beloved ARR.

Now, keep in mind what I said before. We know that SE outsources, just as other game developers do. There's nothing sinister, shady or bad about that. So, the question is, where were SE's contractors for 1.0? Can anyone find any evidence that these contractors were anywhere other than China?

EDIT: One also must consider the horrid state of the game to be evidence in and of itself... not necessarily that the game was built by Chinese developers, but that the game was outsourced to coders who either had very little direction/oversight and/or did an absolute **** poor job. There's simply no way SE builds a **** like that in-house.

Edited, May 15th 2014 1:31pm by Thayos
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#51 May 15 2014 at 2:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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LebargeX wrote:
The word is ONUS.

Google that shiz

And why is the onus on him? Because Thayos is an admin? Because Thayos and Filth happen to agree on something and they usually don't agree? Because some number of people beyond just Thayos and Filth have accepted this as truth?

If no one has a link to the evidence asked for and no one feels the need to do the research to provide it, why even bother to respond?
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