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Rate of mob spawns was much slower, rate of drop was also worse and actually required you to have another job leveled if you wished to increase it, you needed more than one key to obtain all your items, even after you obtained the key, there were certain areas that had conditions to getting the coffer (Temple of Ugg., Garlaige like you mentioned, and quite a few others IIRC), the armor was often replaced the minute you got it similar to AF in this game, competition for the actual coffer was serious business, competition for mobs that dropped keys could also be a problem opposed to FATEs that can be tagged by everyone, etc.

I would easily spend 4~5 hours sometimes farming a key.

So you're right: it was different. Thanks for putting that into perspective for me.

Edited, May 5th 2014 11:25am by HitomeOfBismarck

You did have to finish sets if you wanted to move on to getting AF from another job. If you were smart and understood the AF acquisition mechanics well enough, you could potentially skip pieces of AF without it interfering. However, it was complicated enough that many players ran into problems where they though they were popping a coffer for a piece of AF, and instead wound up with the KI for the AF gloves quest on a different job.

But all that doesn't really matter. Your argument that Atma farming and coffer key farming aren't exactly alike down to the most minute detail is silly. People don't draw comparisons between two things that are exactly alike. They draw comparisons between things that are similar, even though there are some differences. Farming is farming, and that's been the main complaint against Atma. People don't like farming.

Man, XI was brutal lol.

XI: Back when "second best in slot" meant you had to work for that sh*t, yo.

Since it could be worn simultaneously with the Best In Slot (Novio) it was highly desired for all BLMs, RDMs, and BLUs and reigned as 2nd Best until the last Abyssea expansion came out and finally toppled Novio and the #1 BLM earring.

I almost got a Novio before I got my Moldavite

In XIV terms, that'd be like someone getting a Leviathan weapon for a job before they'd finished A Relic Reborn

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What we mostly ended up doing was farming up trash mobs in the area or checking to see if the other NMs in Labyrinth of Onzozo were up. In addition to the 2.5 hour spawn time of doom, you also had to deal with stiff competition since all non-healing mage jobs wanted it. Getting down to the Labyrinth was such a pain in the *** that you didn't want to leave and go do other things.

No, this was usually pretty much two-shot a day during the week, barring event nights. When the second window would approach I would rally a TH4 friend or two to come help out.

Ironically, when I finally got the drop it was with TH0 - a 67 SAM was my only duo party.

Edited, May 5th 2014 1:37pm by Catwho

I was partying with a WAR the other day who finished his 9th book then equipped his Tidal Wave Axe to check the stats... exactly the same he said... he then proceeded to swap into every other job and equip all the other Wave weapons but WHM and SCH... *******.

The fact that I'm a skilled player and am still stuck on Titan EX and turn 5 makes it difficult for me to agree with you here. I for one am glad there's a way for me to get good stuff without needing to pay some other group of players to get me through it.

Yes, it's random, and that can be a pain. I can agree with you on that point.

But, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on skill playing any factor on whether or not you can get past some of the content in this game. It's all luck too. As in: Are you lucky enough to find 7 other people that can get past it too?

I don't care what you say, gear in this game moves way too fast.. pound dungeons for tomes to get darklight gear... Oh wait I just got my darklight gear pound more dungeons to get I 90 gear fill in with a little CT... Oh wait just g0t my 90 gear time change tomes Oh wait here is some crappy level 100 gear and pound more dungeons.. All sense endgame and how long has this game been out.. Same ole same ole same ole.. pound more dungeons for more tomes. Sorry but I have cut my playing back big time and I am super board and have a hard time even getting on the game.. Gear in FFXI lasted way longer than anything in this game.. Hell it already at 110 and how long has the game been out?

grind is insane in this game too.. They make 3 nice new dungeons and now I friggin hate them I have had to do them so many damn times, I never want to see them again...,,,

The whole atma has thing makes me never want to do a fate again....

Honestly I never felt like this in FFXI, I am one that puts allot of time into a game but I am having a hard time even logging on, never felt like that in FFXI ever.

Edited, May 5th 2014 6:37pm by Nashred

Much like FFXI, you don't need the best of the best of the best gear to clear all the content in this game. Being on top of the pyramid is just something to keep the hardcores busy.

That's my "casual" perspective.

Edited, May 5th 2014 3:50pm by Thayos

RE:Nashred:

You do realize that in FFXI, many, many, MANY players never got even half of their endgame gear because it was just so ridiculous to get, even the ones who DID slave away day after day week after week? It is just in FFXI, there wasn't a clear-cut-and-dry method of obtaining gear. You'd want 1-2 pieces out of Dynamis, 1-2 pieces out of sky, 1-2 pieces out of sea, a ring here, an earring there...

Meanwhile XIV is "Get set out of this dungeon, get set out of that dungeon, get set out of that dungeon over there".

Also...they are giving us catchup methods, from what I read. They switched around the tomes some and are making things drop easier to make it easier for people who came later.

WoW does this too; if you got Lv90 during the current patch, you can skip a lot of stuff and go straight to the 2nd-to-last Raiding Tier by spending a few hours on a island.



I don't really think it is your place to tell someone else what they are, or aren't IMO.

In comparison though, XIV's itemization is extremely bland. Even items carried over from 1.x lost traits, e.g Relics. So being on top or not honestly won't matter much since all it is is just adding x more stats and not even potency, just regular stats a lot of the time. You also hit walls a lot faster in this game compared to XI, so while both games you don't need the best of the best, in XIV it becomes more obvious since most gear is immediately replaceable which people like but ultimately complain about as you can see when Yoshi was going to expand to Novus in 2.25 initially.



I assume this is server specific because pretty much the majority of actual raiding linkshells got their gear outside of land king drops in terms of overall acquistion rates. Einherjar and Nyzul were insanely easy to gear out in, Einherjar even offered certain abjurations that were a pain to get.

So I wouldn't say many never got even half of their end-game gear as that means many people could never get even macro pieces out of Dynamis or +1 AF/Relic from Limbus or Ultima/Omega sets (which are guaranteed drops, btw, just not always what you want but they were part of many end-game sets for a long time.)



Edited, May 5th 2014 4:41pm by Theonehio

I dont think anyone would consider that casual.. you are as far as I am and I dont consider myself even close to casual...
2 relics


Edited, May 5th 2014 7:47pm by Nashred

what?

I did not like it, tried it, and hated it.. I had friends always trying to talk me into the game.,

Edited, May 5th 2014 7:55pm by Nashred

Kinda curious...

What exactly about it did you hate so much that you didn't give it much of a chance? The way you say that, implied you played it a few hours and went "eew" and stopped playing.

The reason I ask, is well.... XIV has a very similar playstyle. The UI is similar, battle is similar, etc.

Why is XIV good, but WoW so "horrible" to you?

I'm not doing any fanboi type stuff, I'm just genuinely curious. I've played games before that I didn't particularly like, but "Hate" is a strong word to use. "Hate" implies the game was so horrible that you could not bear to play it whatsoever.