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These things always get fun once gaxe gets here.

You mind if I take a few thousand posts off your hands gaxe? I've been here since '01 and I still have sub-10k.

Addition by subtraction.

They have to. Or, at least, you'd THINK they have to... but I'm not sure it will happen this soon. We'll see, though.

What drove me to do it is the chance that the next one could be it, even if I had only been there for 5 minutes. It can be a great motivator. On the other hand I am not finding myself so motivated to grind myth since there is nothing to look forward to on a single run of contents. I know what I'm getting, and I know I need to do 15 more runs to reach my goal.

I'm not saying that one system is better than the other. I'm just saying that it's not so black and white.

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This is pretty much where I sit as well.

It is tied to your personality. Perhaps I should not go gambling because I seem to like RNG-type systems. The thought that I could get my drop on the very next FATE kept me going for 5 hours when I said, "OK I swear the next one will be the last and I'll log off to go to bed/study."

I have yet to go back into Mythflox. I just can't grind that way anymore. It's super boring to me and is the reason I obtained my first book two weeks after obtaining my atma. I had to rely on farming coil to supply me with myth among other things. lol And you know why coil didn't burn me out? The drops at the end are based on RNG.

You're welcome to complain about the drop rates just as I will complain about the tedious grind of 1500 myth every time I want a damn book. It's unrealistic and probably should have been 500. 13500 would easily let me upgrade 2~3 jobs with myth gear.

I do think that changing up the grind from atmas to books was a wise choice, though. It would be a lie to say I enjoyed every minute of the atma camping just like it'd be a lie to tell me you enjoy every minute of the myth farming. What I don't understand: why are we so quick to debase a system that actually requires some work and isn't barred, at all, by a one week lockout or wall of any type? Why are we so quick to judge a system that actually has a really cool reward at the end and isn't just a waste of time? I don't get it.

When you got your first relic weapon in 14, didn't you feel something? After you had killed Titan and farmed that pain in the *** 900 philosophy, didn't you feel like you had actually accomplished something amazing?

I know I did. I know I will feel the same way once my animus is complete. "Boy, that was one long grind that I'd never want to do again. But, the journey was worth it because in my hands I hold a staff THAT WILL CONSUME YOUR SOUL...and is purple."


So in your opinion...how do you think SE should swing to appease both of us? Because I don't think appeasing both sides will happen.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2014 1:38am by HitomeOfBismarck

Create new level 50+ dungeons. 12 of them. Each with unique mechanics like the doors in Ampador or the bombs in Brayflox. Each of them short like Braxflox, and also fun and unique.

Make the 12 Atmas drop from the new dungeons.

Drop rate can be the same. Random, whatever. Just as long as the new high-level weapon is gained by completing high-level content. Casual content, fine. 4 man, light party content.

Is it too much to ask the developer of the game to create new content to play? Are 2 Primals and 3 dungeons enough to satisfy the players base for 3-6 months? If you add in a despicable time-sink RNG low-level repetitive BS then sure. We can debate the merits of this system all day but you can't deny it's pissing off players. 100% of the players I play with actually.

You asked if I enjoyed getting my relic after Titan. Yes, because Titan is not a low-level FATE. You said yourself you did not exactly enjoy farming ATMAs. That's because NOBODY DOES!! You don't want to farm Braflox all day? Hot **** me neither. I want to farm 12 new dungeons for 3-months and then get 12 more.

It not the destination, it's the journey, right? Well this journey blows goats.

What plethora of content...? The only content that gets you the "same result" is:

Second Turn 6-9 (This isn't a plethora.)
Leviathan Extreme (This isn't a plethora)
First Turn 5 (This isn't a plethora)
Spamming Brayflox for Solid every few weeks for a weathered then restoring it via Turn 7 item.

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Yeah, so what plethora of content? Second turn is on a week lockout, so it's not like you can continually focus on it once you're through. Leviathan Extreme Yoshi P admitted has a ****** up drop rate due to a system not implemented in 2.2 that got pushed back, spamming 1 dungeon and turn 5 doesn't equate to a ton of content.

I don't know what EQ clone you are comparing the game to but 5 different progression paths for the best weapons available is great by any standards. Especially when only one out of said five progression paths are guilty of offering low-level repetitive "BS". Clearly the focus is on grinding the top end high level stuff for the best rewards.

And more importantly it is infinitely better to grinding gil for 2 years in outdated easy content as the single means of obtaining the best weapon available. These FFXI comparisons are so unfair yet so hilarious.

I'm also in the camp that players don't HAVE to suffer through this... and those who do can also limit the depth of their suffering.

Unless you're Nashred, and then SE just hates you.... sorry, Nash.

This just reminds me a lot of the Trials system they implemented in FFXI. Boring as hell? Yes, at times it can be. But a good alternate progression path that at least made gear accessible to people not fortunate enough to have statics? Yep, it's that too.

I'm doing the Zodiak/Animas/whatever quest for my paladin, but I plan on getting weapons for my other jobs when I start farming coil/primals later on. I view that as a pretty rational, non-stressful way to play the game.

EDIT:

Here's the problem...

A lot of players seem to want the Zodiak quest to be gated by more "challenging" content, or they want the RNG to be mostly removed from the equation.

The problem with the first part of that is gating the quest with what players deem as challenging -- usually extreme primals or advanced stages of coil -- would alienate the players who this quest was implemented for. Also, we already have weapon progression paths through that "challenging" content, so using that to gate the Zodiak quest would be somewhat redundant.

As for the RNG, I really believe people would just blow through the content if the RNG were largely taken out of the equation, UNLESS they made their calculations so you'd need to do an ungodly number of FATEs to progress. Again, this would really alienate the people who this quest was probably designed for. People who have way more free time would have a huge advantage over dedicated players with busier lives.

The RNG definitely isn't fair... just ask Nash... but it is somewhat of an equalizer. Most people who put their heads down and farm for a week straight will probably get all of their atma, with a small percentage of unlucky souls stuck in atma hell. Seems there should be some way to prevent Nashred situations from happening, but I totally get why the RNG is such a big piece of this, as opposed to making set numbers or locking the quest behind fights that only a small percentage of players can farm.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2014 12:20pm by Thayos

No, I'm saying that players can choose whether to pursue a relic weapon or another type of weapon that doesn't require this quest.... kind of like how in XI, a red mage didn't HAVE to suffer through Dynamis to get a duelist chapeau (even though plenty of suckers like myself insisted on doing so anyway).

That hat destroyed more friendships in FFXI than any other virtual object in the history of virtual worlds.

Some people still don't speak to me in XI.

Took me more than two years of grinding away in three different linkshells before I finally got it.

Really puts the Zodiak quest in perspective.