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#127 Apr 21 2014 at 11:54 AM Rating: Default
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This kind of system is definitely not reflective of real life.


Yes, it is.

If you're chatting among a group of people and you start acting out of sorts or against social norms -- and if you keep doing it again and again -- that group will definitely begin tuning you out and hoping that you'll leave... and you probably wouldn't be invited to the next gathering.

What you don't understand is that to people on the outside, your dinner party group looks like a clique of elitists who think they are above others. I'm not calling people out for the sake of being a ****, but I'm not the only one who has noticed that this 'better than thou' sentiment pervades the forums. Borderline bigotry Smiley: glare

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#128 Apr 21 2014 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
You are taking the dinner party thing a little too literally. Also, I'm not sure if anyone here would qualify as elitist.

Pretty much the only rule to "fit in" here is to not act like a d-bag. It's a pretty low bar, IMO.

For example, equating people's forum behavior with bigotry is kind of D-baggy.



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#129 Apr 21 2014 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Also, I'm not sure if anyone here would qualify as elitist.
I qualify.
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#130 Apr 21 2014 at 12:43 PM Rating: Default
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You are taking the dinner party thing a little too literally. Also, I'm not sure if anyone here would qualify as elitist.

Pretty much the only rule to "fit in" here is to not act like a d-bag. It's a pretty low bar, IMO.

For example, equating people's forum behavior with bigotry is kind of D-baggy.


Go look up the definition of the word. Now look at the comment you made to me about 'being up here with the rest of us'. Who the **** is us and why are they all up there with you while I'm down here with the rest of them?

I only take the dinner party example literally because that's exactly how it comes off in your own statements. You may not realize it, but there is definitely an 'us vs. them' tone in many of the statements you make. You've flat out said that you're more mature than other gamers solely because you prefer a game with a subscription model over free to play. What's the basis?

I think I'm much more comfortable being the douchebag than the bigot Smiley: tongue

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#131 Apr 21 2014 at 1:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almost feels like I stepped into a circa-2005 Alla vs. BG in FFXI debate of community worth or something. Ah, memories. I just default to my usual cynical belief that people suck everywhere and the more obvious ones can make things seem worse than they are, ESPECIALLY if not reigned in or even encouraged.

That said, I do share the sentiment that moderation has perhaps been too lenient here over time. It's one thing to have arguments on opinion over a game's direction and what it's done, sure, but I've also been on the receiving end of more personal attacks and even collaborations basically anywhere I had posted XI-related at that time. I wouldn't call it end of the world type stuff (I've been karma camped, too~), but there's always a part of me that hopes the internet could be a better place if sometimes more people in the right places did put their feet down.

As is, this isn't XIV's OF. By default, that means you'll be seeing less traffic. Perhaps I'm simply too old and set in my ways for Reddit or even things like Twitter, but I'm not there, either. I doubt I'm alone in such. I know I was initially exposed to this place via XI and an LJ community. Originally it was just to sponge up info on XI, but eventually I got involved, too. Regardless, I'm glad we're not frequent victims of some of the more common tropes you'll see in any game's OF. Some of those arguments do spring over (Casual vs. Hardcore, P2P vs. F2P, etc.), that's inevitable and doesn't mean they're taboo topics on their own. And arguably, some do favor slower moving topics, both keeping them more readable and less likely to be contaminated by so much noise. Quality of Quantity, as it were. I certainly wouldn't accuse that of meaning a forum is dead or even lesser if the front page isn't littered with posts less than an hour old.

Seriha's Law also dictates this is now a Melee RDM thread.


More on topic, 30% retention seems to be the common number for the MMOs that don't up and flop. Taking the possible 2m registrations and applying that metric, we get 600k possible actives. Run that against Yoshi's unique log-ins and it doesn't seem unreasonable to think the game is at least at that. "Unique" also doesn't mean the same people logging in every day. It could be a core 200k with the remaining 300k full of every-other-day type folks, weekend warriors, etc.. And really, there's no way we can individually know even if we searched every zone 24/7 to try and gauge traffic. Even XI was unreliable with this and /sea all numbers, as 1/3 could've easily been mules parked in Jeuno.

It's no secret I have my grievances with XIV. I can understand some being okay with it. Some not. I don't think it's dying, trash, or all that hyper-negative blah. As with XI, Rift, Diablo III, or whatever other game I take interest in, I'm ultimately critical because I care and would love to see things improve. But good intentions, road to hell, blah blah.

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#132 Apr 21 2014 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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You've flat out said that you're more mature than other gamers solely because you prefer a game with a subscription model over free to play.


Where?

I've never said that. I've said that P2P games are more likely to draw an older audience because they require regular payment, and usually they appeal more toward people who stay committed to one game rather than jump around. Because P2P games are more likely to draw in older players (who tend to be more mature), that's a big reason why I prefer them. That's not even remotely the same as saying I'm more mature because I play a P2P game.

Filth, it's crap like this that puts you in a bad light.... which is a shame. When you post stuff like that, you ARE beneath me... and that's not my fault.

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That said, I do share the sentiment that moderation has perhaps been too lenient here over time. It's one thing to have arguments on opinion over a game's direction and what it's done, sure, but I've also been on the receiving end of more personal attacks and even collaborations basically anywhere I had posted XI-related at that time. I wouldn't call it end of the world type stuff (I've been karma camped, too~), but there's always a part of me that hopes the internet could be a better place if sometimes more people in the right places did put their feet down.


The problem is a handful of people who act like D-bags whenever they're challenged in any way, shape or form. The site's policies about being lenient aren't the problem... or, at least, they shouldn't be. Who really wants a community where negativity is censored?

As much as I wish I could reach through the Internet and help people express their thoughts more constructively, I'd never want to be in the business of censorship.

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#133 Apr 21 2014 at 1:18 PM Rating: Default
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No, any post that isn't at a certain level of maturity gets hidden from view.


The rampant use of rate downs on this forum by the resident self-appointed moral compasses is anything but mature. It comes across as petty, vindictive and wholly insecure.

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The admin went and rated them back up in this one due to the complaining.


No, that was me.
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#134 Apr 21 2014 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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The rampant use of rate downs on this forum by the resident self-appointed moral compasses is anything but mature. It comes across as petty, vindictive and wholly insecure.


I'll let you in on a little secret:

At least on the FFXIV forum, there's a few people on each end of the "moral compass" who pretty much always rate down people they don't agree with.

Other than that, most people ignore the rating system unless a post is either very helpful or exceptionally offensive.

In other words, what you think is happening isn't happening.

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#135 Apr 21 2014 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
It has nothing to do with a "moral compass" and everything to do with me, and others like me, not liking posts that contain bad arguments.

If anything, I'm more of a grammar **** than I am "moral police."

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#136 Apr 21 2014 at 1:43 PM Rating: Default
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Thayos wrote:
In other words, what you think is happening isn't happening.


Your assurances sound a little empty when I just have to look down a few threads and see the same people rate-bombed for expressing opinions counter to the prevailing mindset. Sure, some of them will be trolling, others, like the first time poster in this thread who was Sub-Defaulted on his first post... well, that's a prime example of the shameful state these forums have been allowed to become. If, as you seem to be alluding to, you are able to view the rating history and can see the same people repeatedly rating down certain posters I'd argue action should be taken against those individuals. I won't hold my breath though.

*edit* Prime example, under 10 seconds of this being posted there was a rate down. That wasn't sufficient time for someone to read the entire post so clearly there's pure vindictive rating going on.

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#137 Apr 21 2014 at 1:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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*edit* Prime example, under 10 seconds of this being posted there was a rate down.
That was me. Seeing as how there is no karma rating in the game, this topic is completely off topic and doesn't belong in the gaming section of the forums.
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#138Nashred, Posted: Apr 21 2014 at 2:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So let me get this right?
#139 Apr 21 2014 at 2:21 PM Rating: Excellent
A good argument:

- My opinion is X.
- This is based on evidence Y and Z.
- I also personally witnessed Y and this source over here has verified Z.
- This supports my opinion of X.

A bad argument:

my opnion is y
i never saw y
i just know y is true because other people i won't name said so
you suck and this is why people hate this forum

Of course these are the extremes we're dealing with, but that's the crux of "good" versus "bad" arguments. It's basic grade school analysis and logic. It isn't hard.

The good argument of the topic is this:

My opinion is that the PS4 has made a difference in the number of subscribers
This is based on the new statement from Yoshi P that there are two million registered accounts
The previous milestone from the team was 1.8 million registered accounts
Math says 200K people registered new accounts for the PS4.
Therefore, the PS4 has increased subscribers.

Logical counter argument (summed up from Filthy and others)

The number of registered subscribers is not the same as people actively paying.
In addition, many people registered multiple copies of the game, such as purchasing collector's editions.
We don't know if some of the PS4 registrations were actually upgrades of PS3 registrations counted twice.
Therefore, it is premature to say that the PS4 has made a difference in the number of subscribers, only in the official number of account registrations.

Then it descends into the usual shenanigans over whether 500K accounts logging in daily is the same as 500K people paying money for the game, but both the original argument and the counter argument as presented here are things I would not rate down because they are good arguments, even if I disagreed with them.

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#140 Apr 21 2014 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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The problem is a handful of people who act like D-bags whenever they're challenged in any way, shape or form. The site's policies about being lenient aren't the problem... or, at least, they shouldn't be. Who really wants a community where negativity is censored?

As much as I wish I could reach through the Internet and help people express their thoughts more constructively, I'd never want to be in the business of censorship

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not against negativity. I'm against the relative freedom of anonymity allowing people to be unchecked d-bags. When you see people say **** like, "Ignore Seriha, she's just a ****** that wants RDMs to melee..." there isn't really anything constructive behind that and the few who dared approach related matters objectively should've ultimately realized anything myself or others suggested of similar agenda was not so much impossible or "retarded" as it was more a matter of taste and desiring the betterment of both a class and game. Hell, it wasn't uncommon for us to actually have a greater understanding of things that worked and didn't despite being the allegedly mentally handicapped ilk.

This is just personal experience, though, but something I've seen from time against others. I think XI got a lot of the "worst of it" because there was no OF for eons, unlike XIV. But I have no doubt those same fights go on there, just with a different coat of paint. I mean, if you want to kill some brain cells, you could hop over to the D3 boards and find people who legitimately believe trading is what the Diablo franchise is about and not the slaying of monsters and finding good loot to let you slay even more difficult monsters faster and more efficiently. There are hot button topics aplenty, really.
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#141 Apr 21 2014 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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FFXIV now has more than 2 million registered users.

Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/15/final-fantasy-xiv-realm-reborn-reaches-two-million-registered-users/

Keep in mind, this doesn't mean 2 million current subscribers... but the number of registered users is up at least 500,000 from six months ago. That's pretty dang good, and no doubt a good chunk of those registrations will convert to subscriptions (especially now that there's so much to do in game).

I'm sure the PS4 launch is the reason for this surge. I've noticed lots of new players (both online and through social media), and I've also noted many veteran players picking up PS4s as an alternative platform. I just got my PS4 last weekend, and ARR shines on it.

Anyway, great to see the game continuing to grow! I'm already getting excited about the first real expansion, and we barely even know anything about that yet. Smiley: smile

Edited, Apr 16th 2014 10:45am by Thayos


I'm so happy this game is doing so well. Hopefully it helps to pull SE from the brink it seems to have put itself near in the last few years. Speaking for myself (myself = 17 registered users? = 1 subscription?), I'm going to be playing this game until they shut the damn servers down.

Thank you for the link Thayos, it's always nice to see some positive threads for a change. Smiley: smile


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#142 Apr 21 2014 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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You've flat out said that you're more mature than other gamers solely because you prefer a game with a subscription model over free to play.


Where?

The thread where we had back and forth about the possibility of XIV going F2P. You might not realize it, but you really do try to put yourself in a better position than others based only on your opinion or your preference. If you'd really like me to dig for it I will, but I wasn't the only person in that thread who called you on your tone. I don't know whether or not you take your admin position seriously, but I'd expect that you'd remember when someone said they wished they could rate you down...

Whatever though. I'm just a ******* douchebag. Smiley: glare




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#143 Apr 21 2014 at 5:13 PM Rating: Excellent
I remember the thread you're referencing, and I also remember my post. I made a snarky comment about not wanting to play with F2P kiddies, which caused several (actually, probably just a few) people to overreact and jump all over me. And still, I didn't say what you said I did.

Seemed pretty obvious (I thought) that I was being a bit silly, especially in the greater context of all I've ever said about P2P and F2P games. I've been clear enough on my stance (prefer P2P on paper, but I ultimately judge games on the sum of their parts) that regular forum members should know better.


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You've flat out said that you're more mature than other gamers solely because you prefer a game with a subscription model over free to play.


Where?

The thread where we had back and forth about the possibility of XIV going F2P. You might not realize it, but you really do try to put yourself in a better position than others based only on your opinion or your preference. If you'd really like me to dig for it I will, but I wasn't the only person in that thread who called you on your tone. I don't know whether or not you take your admin position seriously, but I'd expect that you'd remember when someone said they wished they could rate you down...

Whatever though. I'm just a @#%^ing douchebag. Smiley: glare

That someone was me.
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#145 Apr 21 2014 at 6:43 PM Rating: Excellent
You!!!!!!

Thanks for the reminder.

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After years of writing for daily newspapers (and taking the criticism from all sides that comes with being a journalist), I tend to not get too bent out of shape by what people say about me on Internet forums. People have said much nastier things to me, and I've been in far more tense situations. This, here, is entertainment.

EDIT: That said, I do care about users feeling safe to discuss things here without feeling trolled or bullied by other forum members. I also care that my own words/thoughts are not misrepresented, which seems to be a common problem lately.

But, to continue my thought from a couple of posts after the link above, I'm mentally closer to dabbling again in GW2, but only if I can find a group to beat that last storyline mission... otherwise, being stuck on that roadblock would just drive me nuts. My max-level character is still logged out in one of those fortifications right next to the dynamic event chain (which nobody does anymore) that takes you up to the final dungeon. I've logged in a couple times to see if anyone was doing those events, but so far, nothing.



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Well, there are pretty much two schools of administration. The silent hand you never see, but know is there in the shadows. Or the one out mingling with the masses, ideally making more friends than foes. If I had to choose, I'd take the latter, but it can get disconcerting if it does feel like the proverbial powers at be are against you for reasons not particularly worthy of scorn. Regardless of presentation, their actions do reflect the overall environment they're tasked to oversee. And, well, there are certain things that rub my white knight personality the wrong way, as we saw.

That said, I'd be more worried if you said you didn't care, but at the same time, I tend to get more skeptical about gauging sincerity when I feel like I've seen certain sides of an individual come out. Do unto others and all that jazz. And while I won't deny more specifically attacking some posters instead of their ideas, you can bet there's a history behind such a jump. I'm sure someone seeing me for the first time skipping to that step might even think me a ****, too. Though, at that point, I at least hope they see it's not some scenario where a 10k+ post vet is bullying some sub-20 newbie. :/
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#147 Apr 21 2014 at 7:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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And while I won't deny more specifically attacking some posters instead of their ideas, you can bet there's a history behind such a jump. I'm sure someone seeing me for the first time skipping to that step might even think me a ****, too.


For sure... and the same applies to me.

Usually when I'm going back-and-forth with someone, I have good reason for doing so... I'd be much quieter if that never happened, but the Internet will always be what it is. But yeah, if my most prominent posts are the ones in which I'm defending myself, then people probably think I'm being a ****, too.
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#148 Apr 22 2014 at 4:50 AM Rating: Good
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Edit: Double double...something trouble

Don't think I've done that in a while. Time to stop studying and rest.

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I thought of you yesterday Nash... and I felt really bad.

I was in Coerthas beating on the cyclops and everyone died. So I homeported and went back and thought to myself, well, I need to do a leve here for my book, so I'll do that, oh and look it's right by the spawn point for that FATE I need too in my book. I was halfway through the leve when Seps popped. Me and a DRG were the only 2 people there and we killed it.

I zoned into Eastern LaNocsea and the waterblob was already up. I killed him 2/3 of the way with a few other people, maybe 4 or 5 tops, job done there.

I ported to east shroud, and since that FATE is actually a 2 parter, I had my map open and kept my eyes peeled. I ran around the lowbie area crushing fates as my MNK for about 15 minutes or so and then the little NPC to start the FATE popped on my map. I choco'd over to sylph land, spammed holy til my MP ran out, and my book FATEs were done. There were about 10 or 12 at that one.

Total time spen on them... maybe 45 minutes...

I don't know what the 'secret' is, but it did seem that new FATEs didn't show until other FATEs were either completed or ran out. Maybe the next book won't be so bad...idk... but now maybe that everyone isn't on the same step it won't be so bad.


Smiley: lol

The exact same thing happened to me last night. A nice way to start off the books.

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Also, I'm not sure if anyone here would qualify as elitist.
I qualify.


Me too. Most of you are filthy casual trash and I just come here to keep myself down to earth in between raids.

Seriously, I think some of these opinions are pretty funny to read at times.

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#150 Apr 22 2014 at 4:59 AM Rating: Good
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The problem with being an Admin or any other person who writes regularly and publicly is that you're going to attract attention and people just love to try and shoot you down. It's like being a linkshell leader or anyone in a public-facing role. You have a target over your head at all times.

I for one get sick of endless negativity and trolling comments. I've taken to reading the forum without seeing who has posted and only rate up or down if I feel strongly. There are some individuals who are endlessly confrontational and negative and that gets tiring. There's a difference between genuinely expressing a conflicting opinion and being a forum troll. Usually the negativity just seems to be about picking a fight for the sake of it and it gets wearing. If I think that's the case, I'll rate down. Equally if I think you have a good point, I'll rate up.
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#151 Apr 22 2014 at 5:45 AM Rating: Default
I love how this and most other topics with a little negativity in them end up being the most popular, which proves the point many of us are making.

The problem with "FFXIV is amazing let us only talk good things about it" is that's boring and when you force the people that dare say anything negative to leave you have a deadzone, I've seen this happen in a lot of forums. Nobody would post here if they can post on the official forums instead, unless there is some controversy, which is why people do post here (aside from being banned from Offical forums ofc).

You can't be a white knight with nobody to argue with, and around here that's a very popular profession.
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