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#1 Apr 13 2014 at 9:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Am I reading something wrong, or is that one wiki I checked wrong?

I just got the ability to call my chocobo as a group member to fight for me, and I was doing some research and came across some information on a wiki.

It says that Healer stance will cause the chocobo to stand directly behind its owner (which causes it to frequently get nailed by cone attacks if the owner is a tank which I am), it will Regen anytime someone in group gets hit, and it will Cure at 75% health.

Free Stance, it will auto-attack, doesn't always stand behind the owner (this much I've seen already), and it will.... Regen whenever someone gets hit, and Cure at 75%.

So if they both have similar behavior (Regen when someone gets hit, Cure at 75%) .... what's the point in ever using Healer Stance? At least with Free Stance, I get its Auto-attacks (which seem to hit about as hard as my own auto-attacks do).
#2 Apr 13 2014 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
The only time I've thought Healer stance would be useful is when you're doing leves that require you to pacify a number of targets. Chocos tend to continue to beat on the pacified target even after they've become pacified. By putting them in healer stance, they still get XP, and I don't have to worry about them killing my targets.

Other than that, dunno.
#3 Apr 13 2014 at 9:53 AM Rating: Default
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Healer stance becomes more useful as you actually unlock stuff for it, i.e Medica. Till then Free Stance is better. The main issue is: They excluded the Gambit system they said we'd use for the buddy chocobo, so all stances are "the same" essentially and were meant to be customized.

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#4 Apr 13 2014 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
It kinda sucks at this point because I went and hybridized my chocobo and I can't respec him at this point. Chocobo Raising, {Can I have it?}
#5 Apr 13 2014 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah. It's crazy that there's no way to reset chocobo points. Even if it involved having to relevel it, it's better than being stuck forever because you didn't know any better at the start.
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#6 Apr 13 2014 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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darexius2010 wrote:
The only time I've thought Healer stance would be useful is when you're doing leves that require you to pacify a number of targets. Chocos tend to continue to beat on the pacified target even after they've become pacified. By putting them in healer stance, they still get XP, and I don't have to worry about them killing my targets.

Other than that, dunno.


This is my thought as well on it, idk how many times when doing the leve's to pacify and I'm working on the next I see i lost the one prior as my choco will still be hitting and killing it. I use Free Stance on mine as Healer spec and have no problems and switch to Healer stance when I have those type of leve's.
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#7 Apr 13 2014 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe there is something wrong with my chocobo but he will only use choco regen in free stance. If I want him to use choco cure I have to put him into healer stance.
#8 Apr 15 2014 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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If you ever played PUP then you would understand the stance a bit better. In healer stance, heals are prioritized a give right? Your bird will also use his cures when you're lo won HP but at a higher amount. Lets say free stance your choco will use chococure when you are at say 30% HP. In healer stance, it will use it at say 60% HP or higher. Just like using WHM head on an autoton and using 3 light maneuvers. So then you say how is this useful? Well when doing fates I'll leave it on free stance, but if I start to take a pounding (gigady) then I put him on healer stance and He gets me back up to full, then I switch him back.
#9 Apr 15 2014 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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nonameoflevi wrote:
If you ever played PUP then you would understand the stance a bit better. In healer stance, heals are prioritized a give right? Your bird will also use his cures when you're lo won HP but at a higher amount. Lets say free stance your choco will use chococure when you are at say 30% HP. In healer stance, it will use it at say 60% HP or higher. Just like using WHM head on an autoton and using 3 light maneuvers. So then you say how is this useful? Well when doing fates I'll leave it on free stance, but if I start to take a pounding (gigady) then I put him on healer stance and He gets me back up to full, then I switch him back.


Maybe, but the way I read his post is the behavior is precisely the same no matted which stance, at least as far as curing goes. It just positions itself differently. If it works the way you say it does, then maybe that wiki is outdated or wrong. I'm finding a lot of conflicting information out there myself.


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Yeah. It's crazy that there's no way to reset chocobo points. Even if it involved having to relevel it, it's better than being stuck forever because you didn't know any better at the start.


I expect this is something that Yoshi-P would consider changing if enough people petition him about it. Is there a feedback forum for just general suggestions? I went to the official forums, but the only one I saw there was for bugs. There's a few QoL things I'd like to post about but they don't quality as 'bugs' per se, just things that could be improved.
#10 Apr 17 2014 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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As per Yoshi-P's general stance: "It's coming, we don't have a time frame just yet." So it's confirmed to be coming, we just don't know when. Logically when Personal housing and Choco raising comes would be the best bet, but even that is up in the air since they use the phrase: "After 2.3" which could be 2.31 or 2.35 or 2.4 or 3.7.

You can dump suggestions in the appropriate sections here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/645-Gameplay

As they do seem good with responding when it's placed in the right section and it's actually on SE's radar in general.

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#11 Apr 18 2014 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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To clarify on Healer vs Free Stance, my choco is only rank 7 at this point, but I have had to use Healer stance on a few occasions. And to clarify, this is for a healer chocobo. I do not have any other abilities other than healer unlocked, so I can't comment on how the choco will react.

The primary significant factor is your chocobo will stop attacking on Healer stance. It is a healer, and will only heal at this point. It will cure you (the party) as fast as it can. It will keep regen up at all times, and it will follow you. The reason to note this is, if you switch him to healer stance, remember to put him back on free stance when you want him to attack again, otherwise he will just sit there and heal you (I have had a few times where I get annoyed with my damage sucking, only to realize my chocobo was still on Healer from some time previous).

On Free Stance it will engage the enemy the moment you do, and only the mob you target for engagement (I use this for flash if I don't want to pick a target yet, I can flash, and my chocobo will not attack, though he does start doing the pee-pee dance saying something is attacking me, and he wants to kill it).

On Free Stance, he will continue to attack the mob he starts on until it dies, or you tell him otherwise. This you do have to be careful with if you run into things you don't care to kill. As once he starts attacking it, he will not forget. So, let say, you switch him to a new mob. Once that mob dies, he will run back and continue on the previous mob, even if that mob de-aggroed and is just minding his own business now. They fixed most of the issues with this, but, you can still get your chocobo to run off and fight random stuff, if you get too bossy.

On Free Stance, a healer chocobo will throw out regens if the party is hurt, but will not cure unless your HP drops below 75%. Even then, he really doesn't care too much, and will only hit you with a cure about every 10-20 seconds (I haven't timed it, but if you are getting railed on, and your chocobo is in Free Stance, you will die).

On Free Stance, if you die, your chocobo will keep fighting the last thing you sent it at. If he kills that, he will just hang out with your body until you return, you get raised, or he times out(the later he disappears).

On Healer Stance, if you die, he will just sit there. Meaning, if he is on the hate list of any mobs (and since he was healing you, he is... He will just get railed into oblivion and take it like a champ. It is sad to watch, and I ussually Home Point immediately, as that will cause him to teleport out of combat right to me, and he will live.

On Healer Stance, while he still does the pee-pee dance when you get aggro, he will throw up regen, and if you do not engage the enemy, he may pull the mob off you onto him. So, when running through aggro areas, it can be funny, but just watch aggro when you are sitting around, your choco can get their butt kicked by mobs that you normally don't care about.
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#12 Apr 18 2014 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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@rfolkker:

Thanks!

That's a lot more/better info than the wiki has, was exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. Looks like I'll need to put Free/Healing Stance on my hotbar, then based on this info.
#13 Apr 23 2014 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, and I forgot to mention, @level 50, my chocobo (On Free Stance) can solo mobs his level. I have sent him on a mob, while I run around and kill other things, and he will just come over and say hi when he is done. It's actually kinda fun to watch him solo, he kicks butt:). He has handled up to 3 mobs, though, @3 it is hit or miss if he can survive. If they are a party, he will definitely die (e.g. a tank, dd and healer, or just a healer and anything, or someone who has dots, or guys with REALLY bad TP attacks).
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