Why is the RNG -ALWAYS- stacked against the player?Follow

Seriously.

This is REALLY starting to **** me off.

My Mission: to HQ an Amateur's Hatchet.

This is now the FIFTH failure to HQ in a row, each time having 65%+ chance of HQ (including two 80%).

Why did this latest one only have 65%?

Because my character decently decided to fail two Basic Touches in a row, despite me being higher than the recipe, and it "supposedly" having a 70% success chance. Trying to get an HQ Ash Lumber is a freaking nightmare (I've had several 4x Basic Touch fails in the same synth), and even some synths where Standard Synth failed twice in a row (supposedly a 90% success chance).

And if that wasn't bad enough, my character somehow decided to fail a Bronze Ingot HQ too. A freaking level ONE recipe. Why? Again, 3 Basic Touch failures in the same synth.

This is just getting plain ridiculous. Fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail. Seriously. And I can't count the number of times it refuses to spit out a "Good" or God Forbid an "Excellent" condition when I can actually use it (yanno when I'm not 10/40 durability or out of CP) and even if when they do, it seems like there's a 90% chance to fail the Touch attempt anyways.

Hate to say it, but it seems like the RNG in this game really blows at times. 70% chance of something beneficial happening? NOPE! Fail Fail Fail Fail. 30% Chance of something bad happening? YEP! Enjoy your failures.

Nnnnnnngh. So frustrating.

If the numbers actually worked like the game claimed they would, I should have HQ'd one of these stupid things by now.

It's an Amateur's Hatchet, a level 12 item you'll outlevel quickly enough anyway. It's better to get hit by bad luck making a level 12 item than with something that matters, like when trying to HQ 1 or 2 star recipes or lotting on end game gear.

It keeps you playing, therefore it keeps you paying.

Mystery of the freakin' universe answered here.

Sometimes you're just going to roll an NQ Yahtzee.

Edited, Mar 20th 2014 6:10pm by Xoie

I hope so, because I'm looking at how even Basic Synth has a "90%" chance to succeed, I've seen it fail twice in a row, sometimes three times in a row.

I'm wondering just how many people in this thread understand how astronomically low chance there is, of failing a 90% check twice, or worse, 3 times in a row actually is? Hint: It is less than 1% chance.

And it happens at least once per session.

That's why I'm thinking that it is either horrible RNG coding, or hidden variables (like FFXI has). Those crafting abilities you get later... do they also rely on % like Basic Touch, Basic Synth, etc? Even Standard Touch that my BSM just got still has a 20% chance to fail (and oh yes, wouldn't you know it, more often than not, if I dare use that on Excellent condition, it fails lol).

I'll try and stick it out, but when I get *consistently* bad results despite the game telling me I should have a good chance to succeed is very frustrating.

When a game tells you "You have an 85% chance to succeed", you don't expect to fail 4, 5, 6 times in a row. That's ridiculous. If that happened anywhere else, you'd very clearly be wondering if the dice weren't loaded.

You have skills that make it 100%

I know this doesn't help your current situation but its the reason it's hard for me to show empathy:

http://xivdb.com/?skill/281/Steady-Hand-II

your 70% chance is now 100%

The last 5 DoH I leveled I pretty much HQ every leve turn in. I will only say that at that (now that I see your level) low of a level you will not have enough cross skills/gear/cp/control/craftmanship ect, to reliable HQ anything.

tl:dr don't worry about HQ till you level up some



Edited, Mar 20th 2014 4:41pm by nonameoflevi

First rule of RNG: If it's not 100%, assume it's 1%. Murphy hates you, and your little dog, too.

Edited, Mar 20th 2014 5:05pm by Seriha

Steady Hand (preferably Steady Hand II, which works 50% better for costing only 3 more CP and ensures success on Basic Touch, which is why I highly recommend getting culinarian up to the point where it learns it) is rather vital for building quality (HQ) with anything resembling consistency. Especially with Hasty Touch, which is another vital ability if you don't want to easily blow through all your CP trying to HQ later synths. As far as support abilities go for the number of turns they last, Steady Hand is pretty cheap. You'll pretty much always want to have it active if you're using quality-increasing actions in your following turns, because none of them work 100% of the time normally.

Waste Not (which is not nearly as cheap) is also pretty key, especially for those 40 dura synths; overall it's going to allow you more extra "turns" than Master's Mend (really expensive) will for the CP you spend. I imagine Waste Not II is helpful to have as well but I don't see it as quite as vital as Steady Hand II is (all Waste Not II is really is just the duration of two Waste Nots combined together for a bit less CP spent; the effect isn't any different)

Quality is pretty frustrating to work on if it's your first craft and you don't have your support abilities yet. But once you get things like the above, it's made significantly simpler.

Also, your level compared to the recipe's has no bearing on the success rate of your abilities, as far as I know. The success rates are always exactly what's listed on the abilities (increased if Steady Hand is active, though). If the recipe outlevels you, you simply get lessened returns on all your progress/quality increases (unless Ingenuity is active).

Edited, Mar 20th 2014 9:14pm by Fynlar

Crafting benefits from cross class as much or moreso than the battle classes. Between steady hand II and hasty touch from CUL to 37, you can push the HQ chances of most synths to close to 100 even as you are leveling. Add in Byregots Blessing and it's a darn near guaranteed 100% even on high synths.

They recommend taking all crafting classes to 15 before running any one up higher for that reason.

That isn't ZAM. That's life. It might be therapeutic to vent, but it's not pleasant to listen to someone else vent. You should save your venting for stuff that matters. And when it's something that matters, you should probably save it for people you have an established relationship with, rather than venting to the random masses.