Do you use your old class?Follow

WHM loses a lot of damage options over plain conjurer. If I'm going to be doing a solo fight, or a fight where I might need to do some DPS prior to level 50, I'll swap back.

Clearly I haven't done that since I got cleric's robes over the weekend, though, because it hasn't occurred to me that I can't wear it.

Sadly it wouldn't be beneficial for most classes. You happen to be dealing with a class in Marauder that is allowed to equip some pretty powerful cross class skills. Considering that quests for those classes stop at 30 and you can't equip level 90 items, it seems that the developers are pushing us away from those, for now. Would be nice to see some marauder only lvl 90 gear, like they did with pvp.

Yeah, at level 50 WHM has a clear advantage over CNJ in any kind of group setting, even for DPS. But at a level capped (especially level 40 or below) situation I'll get more utility from CNJ if I'm expected to do balls to the wall DPS for some reason.

If the devs are pushing us away from our original classes, I wish they would refer to jobs as "promotions" and not even give the option to revert back if there wasn't a real benefit to sticking with your class. In the beginning it was a question of playstyle, versatility vs a focused role. Right now classes seem like an old thing from 1.0 that they didn't get completely rid of.

Many times, I find myself to be an off-tank. On successful runs (where only one tank is needed), I'm barely needed or replaced with 5th dps. If I'm not main tanking I want to dps as much as possible to contribute. Which is where warrior shines with defiance off. However, in a particularly confident group, I'd like to dps more but still have enough gusto to take the reigns of tanking in a desperate situation. I don't want as much damage as a full throttle dps, and not as much damage mitigation as a main tank. I want to be the "oh shi..." department.

Part of what makes a game exciting for me is assessing the situation and acting accordingly in unexpected situations. There is no role for that currently.

Right now it's ..... Main tank died, wipe.... main healer died .... wipe. not enough dps..... wipe. Too many wipes, wipe the party and re que. No glimmer of hope, nobody really tries anymore if something goes wrong even in non hard mode situations.

Like the armory system where you could change roles with a different weapon, I loved the concept that this game gives you the option of going versatile to focused with the equipment option of a stone and vice versa. But it seems that the stone is here to stay once you hit 30 like a mandatory equipment piece.

Edited, Feb 28th 2014 11:34am by klooste8

I'd be in support of them expanding on the base classes after the secondary jobs for each of the classes we have are out - some things that give more personal benefit solo for not being attached to a party.

I do, very much like the fact that our root classes are essentially our base class and the Jobs are individual role specs we shift as needed for parties. It allows someone to identify to a particular class yet still be flexible in that class to the needs of the party.

Totally can't wait to tank on Lancer's next Job.

I felt the same way at first. Certainly popping Aero while running is very useful. But then I noticed that the GCD of Aero is the exact same as the cast time of Aero II. So in a stand-still situation you get more damage in a smaller amount of time. If the mob is going to die in 12 seconds anyway you get more damage actually applied. Especially when toggling through a group to DoT enemies that will die quickly, i.e. won't last the 18 seconds.

Areo II - 40x12secs + 50 = 530

Aero - 25x18escs + 50 = 500

Stone II - Potency 170

Over 18 seconds you would get Aero II (770) > Aero (500)

Overall, Aero II wins the DPS in every stand-still situation, sustained or burst damage. Applying these both are better than Stone II until the last 10 seconds of a mob's health. So making sure they are both up constantly is key to maximizing Single Target damage on WHM.

Unless you need to be dodging, which likely means you need to be healing. I just haven't really needed the mobility of Aero while moving in party situations.

Does that math seem right to you?

Hm MRD is one of the only classes that sees much use outside of its job. Sadly, that seems to be a PVP niche.

At least standardize your window...

Aero = 36 seconds (12 ticks). 25 x 12 = 300 + 50x2 = 400 total potency

Aero II = 36 seconds (12 ticks). 40 x 12 = 480 + 50x3 = 630 total potency

As Gnu stated, the difference is quite profound.

Why didn't they remove the classes? It's kind of confusing to explain to new people. They often come in thinking that, for example, Archer and Bard are two entirely different things (with Bard being an unlocked class). Once I finally manage to explain it properly, I can hear the disappointment in their voices (it's just a few extra skills).

I've never really seen anyone play as a class. It almost seems intentionally misleading that they left them in. They were originally even advertising it like "17 character options!!" when the game was coming out and that's really not truthful.

Wound up in DF a couple weeks ago with a 43 archer running stone vigil. I wonder if it was the same guy. He was largely clueless about the game...

They probably really like bows & arrows and don't like being forced from an archer into a songster. I agree with you, but I sympathize with them.

I'm sure they're not stupid or uninformed or whatever. It sounds like they're just stubborn.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 1:12am by LucasNox

I know what you're saying and I agree. Then again I hold the developers accountable to some extent for sloppily turning the game's only physical ranged DPS into a Bard and not offering a Hunter/Ranger alternative (yet). And again blame the developers for even leaving the class system in to begin with -- the idea of other players using a class in your party is actually upsetting you and you even said the only reason to play one would be for RP reasons, basically. Obviously the class system is not very well thought out or needed.

You also have to blame the developers for saying that jobs are for partying, but still letting classes queue up for parties with DF. lolwut

Again, I see your frustration with the individual as well.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 5:26am by LucasNox

I think classes are nice at low level and allow you to level through that first 15 levels before dungeons with abilities which make life a little easier. Not sure what the justification is for 15-30 but I don't mind it.

As for MRD, I just popped on to say the same thing as been seen earlier. I see a lot of MRD in PVP at 30 and 40.