the problem I was having was that I was playing paladin late game when I'm new to MMOs. I find archer to way easier first timer class for its range, kit, and low involvement into the survival aspect of dungeons. One of the things that hit my nerves is all the trash talk I received for missing one thing in my PLD build which caused me to throw alot a riots.
one other thing I find that helps is turning the volume off and replacing it with previous FF music cause the soundtrack and sound kit is below par, ruins the tone of the game.
I don't mind paying for subscription I just don't like the fact that people already beat this game and have a 8 year college degree in it already, I don't understand half the terms that are coming out of people. One thing I do look forward to is the fact that this game will be expanded upon hopefully like FFXI was, many of the variety that it had.
One thing that a FF fan like me could achieve by playing this game is ignoring Leves, fates, anything that feels like a chore. just grind, quest easy are some of the things that would keep me in a good mood. feel like they should work on PVP. The dialog on Wolf Den was clever, the area looked detailed. I don't wan't to see all that work go to waste.
instead of calling me a waste of time in the dungeons I could say on the flip side "you are all a waste of time, because come the first year of this game's release I'm still going to be here".
I did want to leave but Yoshi P. had to step into my office and remind me.
"You are stuck here forever".
Edited, Feb 27th 2014 9:33am by wemelchor
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I'm a bit confused. You say you are new to MMOs and all their terms but talk about FFXI?
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nonameoflevi wrote:
I'm a bit confused. You say you are new to MMOs and all their terms but talk about FFXI?
He did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Posted: Feb 27 2014 at 10:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I wish -___- instead I spent my night on the floor cause I have no desk chair.
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You got angry before because people kept vote kicking you out of dungeons. The problem was this: You were a 43 paladin that never used flash. I even told you that you needed to use flash to keep aggro, but your mp gauge never dropped and 1 cure pulled every extra mob onto the healer, which was me at the time. I don't mind if someone hasn't learned certain aspects of how to play their character because of fates as long as they will listen and learn how to be better, but when they refuse to use a basic ability then I have no sympathy.
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Posted: Feb 27 2014 at 10:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) its ***** like these that made me respec I'm sear.
Flash is overrated Trellin, I hardly use it and when I do it is only once (maybe twice depending) per battle with 3 or more enemies. 
princessary wrote:
Flash is overrated Trellin, I hardly use it and when I do it is only once (maybe twice depending) per battle with 3 or more enemies.
He said he was picking up all the extra monsters with a single cure. Flash does keep those mobs in check for that reason. Flash may be overrated for a single mob, it doesn't blind the way you think it would from FFXI but the hate control works the same, plus the AoE it does. You even agree that its useful because you use it "once, maybe twice..."
Flash is essential to a tank, WAR and PLD. Flash was even an essential move in FFXI for the NIN. If you saw the NIN was having trouble adding shadows, one flash gave them enough time to get them up, usually. In FFXIV, they add enmity to the mobs you can't focus on. It allows the BRDs and BLM to AoE without fear of being attacked.
I would feel the same way about this player if they refused to use something that would make the dungeon a success. People keep dying, keep getting hit, and flash would prevent that, you pretty much have to use it, that goes for any skill. Otherwise you have no business being a tank.
I am all for doing what you want and playing your own style but as a Tank you need to control the hate. Its not about attacking its about controlling. If you can't control the hate then you need to fix it or forget it. Harsh, maybe but there really isn't an argument here.
WFOAssassin wrote:
princessary wrote:
Flash is overrated Trellin, I hardly use it and when I do it is only once (maybe twice depending) per battle with 3 or more enemies.
He said he was picking up all the extra monsters with a single cure. Flash does keep those mobs in check for that reason. Flash may be overrated for a single mob, it doesn't blind the way you think it would from FFXI but the hate control works the same, plus the AoE it does. You even agree that its useful because you use it "once, maybe twice..."
Flash is essential to a tank, WAR and PLD. Flash was even an essential move in FFXI for the NIN. If you saw the NIN was having trouble adding shadows, one flash gave them enough time to get them up, usually. In FFXIV, they add enmity to the mobs you can't focus on. It allows the BRDs and BLM to AoE without fear of being attacked.
I would feel the same way about this player if they refused to use something that would make the dungeon a success. People keep dying, keep getting hit, and flash would prevent that, you pretty much have to use it, that goes for any skill. Otherwise you have no business being a tank.
I am all for doing what you want and playing your own style but as a Tank you need to control the hate. Its not about attacking its about controlling. If you can't control the hate then you need to fix it or forget it. Harsh, maybe but there really isn't an argument here.
I was also just giving him trouble... >.>
princessary wrote:
WFOAssassin wrote:
princessary wrote:
Flash is overrated Trellin, I hardly use it and when I do it is only once (maybe twice depending) per battle with 3 or more enemies.
He said he was picking up all the extra monsters with a single cure. Flash does keep those mobs in check for that reason. Flash may be overrated for a single mob, it doesn't blind the way you think it would from FFXI but the hate control works the same, plus the AoE it does. You even agree that its useful because you use it "once, maybe twice..."
Flash is essential to a tank, WAR and PLD. Flash was even an essential move in FFXI for the NIN. If you saw the NIN was having trouble adding shadows, one flash gave them enough time to get them up, usually. In FFXIV, they add enmity to the mobs you can't focus on. It allows the BRDs and BLM to AoE without fear of being attacked.
I would feel the same way about this player if they refused to use something that would make the dungeon a success. People keep dying, keep getting hit, and flash would prevent that, you pretty much have to use it, that goes for any skill. Otherwise you have no business being a tank.
I am all for doing what you want and playing your own style but as a Tank you need to control the hate. Its not about attacking its about controlling. If you can't control the hate then you need to fix it or forget it. Harsh, maybe but there really isn't an argument here.
I was also just giving him trouble... >.>
Sorry, it looked like you were just giving it to him for calling the tank out. I actually am not trying to be confrontational but at the same time we all need a mental check from time to time.
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Flash isn't gonna permanently glue everything to you, but it's kind of a must going in, or the healer's gonna bite it.
It only takes a couple single target enmity skills to hold the main target and switch targets if needed but flash is a basic and totally mandatory thing for a PLD to control agro in a crowd, not to mention potential damage mitigation from the blind effect.
It's why Riot Blade exists.
Don't take criticism as insult, but help.
It's all about perspective.
Edited, Feb 27th 2014 2:47pm by JoePerson
It only takes a couple single target enmity skills to hold the main target and switch targets if needed but flash is a basic and totally mandatory thing for a PLD to control agro in a crowd, not to mention potential damage mitigation from the blind effect.
It's why Riot Blade exists.
Don't take criticism as insult, but help.
It's all about perspective.
Edited, Feb 27th 2014 2:47pm by JoePerson
WFOAssassin wrote:
princessary wrote:
WFOAssassin wrote:
princessary wrote:
Flash is overrated Trellin, I hardly use it and when I do it is only once (maybe twice depending) per battle with 3 or more enemies.
He said he was picking up all the extra monsters with a single cure. Flash does keep those mobs in check for that reason. Flash may be overrated for a single mob, it doesn't blind the way you think it would from FFXI but the hate control works the same, plus the AoE it does. You even agree that its useful because you use it "once, maybe twice..."
Flash is essential to a tank, WAR and PLD. Flash was even an essential move in FFXI for the NIN. If you saw the NIN was having trouble adding shadows, one flash gave them enough time to get them up, usually. In FFXIV, they add enmity to the mobs you can't focus on. It allows the BRDs and BLM to AoE without fear of being attacked.
I would feel the same way about this player if they refused to use something that would make the dungeon a success. People keep dying, keep getting hit, and flash would prevent that, you pretty much have to use it, that goes for any skill. Otherwise you have no business being a tank.
I am all for doing what you want and playing your own style but as a Tank you need to control the hate. Its not about attacking its about controlling. If you can't control the hate then you need to fix it or forget it. Harsh, maybe but there really isn't an argument here.
I was also just giving him trouble... >.>
Sorry, it looked like you were just giving it to him for calling the tank out. I actually am not trying to be confrontational but at the same time we all need a mental check from time to time.
NP, no harm no foul.
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JoePerson wrote:
Flash isn't gonna permanently glue everything to you, but it's kind of a must going in, or the healer's gonna bite it.
It only takes a couple single target enmity skills to hold the main target and switch targets if needed but flash is a basic and totally mandatory thing for a PLD to control agro in a crowd, not to mention potential damage mitigation from the blind effect.
It's why Riot Blade exists.
Don't take criticism as insult, but help.
It's all about perspective.
Edited, Feb 27th 2014 2:47pm by JoePerson
It only takes a couple single target enmity skills to hold the main target and switch targets if needed but flash is a basic and totally mandatory thing for a PLD to control agro in a crowd, not to mention potential damage mitigation from the blind effect.
It's why Riot Blade exists.
Don't take criticism as insult, but help.
It's all about perspective.
Edited, Feb 27th 2014 2:47pm by JoePerson
As a learning tank (who finally successfuly main tanked t4 on my paladin) I'll be the first to say that it can be really difficult to hold hate under some circumstances, especially against summoner and blm aoe in dungeons. 3/4 of the time it is because shield oath is not active ><
As a rule of thumb remember:
Always, always, always, remember shield oath. You can do everything right and lose hate to a cure if you dont have oath up. If your healer is being attacked, look for your little yellow buff. Not there? Put it on.
Shield lob will give you the same hate that 3 normal DPS attacks will give, so you can pull a reasonably distanced mob with this.
Provoke is good for really long ranged stuff (tonberry's in some parts of WP) but be aware that you will only have one point over the next in line, so you are going to need a followup immediately.
Flash is something like 1.3x the enmity from a normal DPS attack. Flashing twice is the rule of thumb (also remember that Titan's Mountian buster (table flip) can be dodged with a pretty decent percent chance if you flash 1-2 seconds before the attack).
Flash Blade > Savage Blade > Rage of Halone is the combo you should use to get you enmity. Use this with shield oath active and nothing, I mean nothing, can pull it off you once the 5x enmity effect of the Rage of Halone hits.
And I know it doesnt grant enmity, but the initial 100 potency and DOT effect of Circle of Scorn definitely helps in endgame dungeons.
I will usually run in, mark a target, shield lob, 2x flash, circle of scorn (if multiple enemies), flash blade, savage blade, rage of halone. Then keep FB > SB > RoH in a cycle on the main target, using defensive cooldowns as needed, and switch targets if the DPS cant or refuse to follow the targeting. It might take a provoke > shield lob to pick up stragglers. Flash periodically (every 10-15 seconds or so) or more so if you have a group and the aoe from your dps is serious.
Edited, Feb 27th 2014 4:13pm by Valkayree
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I forgot to make sure Shield Oath was up last night. :D
I turned a HM Titan help run into a fun run.
I turned a HM Titan help run into a fun run.
Teneleven wrote:
We secretly replaced your tank wemelchor with Foldgers Crystal's. Let's see what happens.
Aannndddd... sig'd
Best post this year lol
Edited, Feb 28th 2014 5:38am by LebargeX
Valkayree wrote:
Flash is something like 1.3x the enmity from a normal DPS attack.
At low levels yes because it's majorly dependent upon WDMG. As your weapon gets better the actual threat gain from Flash leaps forward (and unlike everything else in the game in a non-linear fashion).
Valkayree wrote:
And I know it doesnt grant enmity, but the initial 100 potency and DOT effect of Circle of Scorn definitely helps in endgame dungeons.
No, it doesn't grant additional emnity but every action generates hate.
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