Zam's interview with Yoshi at SonyFollow

So then someone calling out plumes on Titan with a macro is cheating too by that logic.

I think the sarcasm there zoomed over your head Thayos :-p

So my comment was inception sarcasm?

The upgrade is free according to these details:

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/news/news-12289-Final-Fantasy-XIV--A-Realm-Reborn-PS4-Beta-Dates--Trailer-and-Details-Revealed.html

It makes sense, you are upgrading, for free, your PS3 service account to a PS4, you can't go back. If you want to play on PS4 and PS3, buy the PS4 version, just like if you wanted to play on PC, you buy a PC service account.

SE is doing what they said, offering you a version upgrade for free.

I think you're missing my point here Thayos. The functionality of the app is basic parsing and notification, but that could be used in conjunction with a plug-in authored by someone else to exploit the game.

Can the event notification function of FFXIV-APP be used to track player and/or mob health/MP/TP? Can I use this function to notify me when a dot, buff or debuff is active? Can I set up alerts for mob abilities that are timed or dependent on mob health?



Pretty much this. What Yoshi is saying equates to "Don't get caught". You can say that about anything. We all know that robbing a bank is unlawful, but you only go to jail if you get caught

Edited, Feb 12th 2014 4:22pm by FilthMcNasty

Event doesn't do any of those things. Sure someone could make it or add it in; but you still have to act on it. Just because you hear a sound notification doesn't mean you have the mental aptitude to respond in the appropriate time. Even driving the average person is ~1.5 seconds behind in reaction time from seeing brake lights until when their brain can actually process and move their body to press the pedal.

I get what you're saying; but the program as it is now is a information display/notifier and relies on human reaction. I don't make anything at all the interacts with the game. If your downloading plugins from someplace other then ffxiv-app.com or one that is not open source; I can't control that.

Right, but that's what I was suggesting. Your application doesn't interact with the game, but I could write a plug-in that picks up your application's notifications and does interact with the game. I know it wasn't your intention, but it can be used for the purpose of exploits. That's all I was pointing out. Personally I appreciate the work you put in as I write code myself, but from the developers standpoint they won't support it.

Well, for starters, you could stop being paranoid about being banned. They are not actively trying to find people using the the app so they can ban them. The only way to get caught using it is to admit to using it. Even then, the odds are extremely low that anything will come of it.

Yet people can't resist trying to make that argument

"We're all adults here."

What more does the man need to say?

Unfortunately that's not the case :(
A few of the kiddos are acting a little like chicken little.
Calm down little ones, the sky is not falling.

Interview in a nutshell: If you use the parser, be responsible. If you use a cheat, prepare to be banned.

Derp. Sorry, I've been having a lot of discussion with Thayos lately and you both have those smexy orange names. My apologies.



That's how the internet works. Before parsers players were getting booted from groups based on eyeballed DPS. It was here before parsers and it might remain even if Yoshi condemned parsers in his interview. Therein lies the issue...

I know that Wint and Icehunter(and everyone else who has contributed) mean well and I wasn't trying to discredit anyone who is interested in creating or expanding applications to improve gameplay for themselves or for others. I just feel that the boundaries should be more clearly defined. One player might gain better understanding and improve their gameplay and another player might have a horrible experience because they were ridiculed for poor performance. The app is created with good intentions, but it's use is ultimately left to all of the apples, both good and bad. As we've seen before in FFXI, there are going to be people who will push to see how far they can take it.

I know several people who used what most would consider exploits in FFXI. I think we can all agree that using a program to catch fish for you is not how the system was meant to work, but by SE's definition(at least at the time I played) it wasn't a punishable offense as long as you were not AFK while doing it. Theoretically I could tell a GM I was using a bot to do anything, but the fact that I was sending him /tells was enough to prove that I wasn't AFK and they would take no action against my account.

"Hey [GM]Baccanale, this new fish bot I just got is amazing! I would never be able to catch these Ryugu Titan fish without it."

I might get a small lecture about how I wasn't acting in the spirit of a true adventurer, but unless I failed to respond to a GM /tell while fishing or volunteered information that I had intent to participate in RMT, they sat on their hands. SE maintains the right to suspend or terminate your account for any reason they see fit. I think that their stance(or lack of one in this case) is at least partially to blame for players pushing their limits. What you and I might consider to be questionable activity might seem perfectly acceptable to another player.

tl;dr

If you had a child and raised him or her to believe that everything was lawful unless they were caught, shouldn't you accept partial responsibility for the child if they beat some old lady over the head and stold her purse rather than helping her across the street? SE lays out the law so I should think they are responsible at least in part for our conduct. Take off the belt papa Yoshi


Edited, Feb 12th 2014 10:30pm by FilthMcNasty