Is there any reason we might not consider putting stickied links to the job forums directly on the main page of GD, at the top? I know its not much work to go into the forums list and get there, but if we made it something with one-click simplicity from the one forum people seem to visit, and perhaps moved any job specific discussion there as a rule we might be able to breathe some traffic and life into them.
As it is now, nobody posts there because nobody reads them because nobody posts anything because nobody will read it... And I'm guilty of that too.
I hate playing second bananas to the SE forums. That place is just evil. Alla has always been T.H.E. resource for the FF MMO scene.
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Seconded.
Been hoping for a long time we could get each job name added to the top banner, no drop downs.
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 10:59am by Gnu
Been hoping for a long time we could get each job name added to the top banner, no drop downs.
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 10:59am by Gnu
Well the real issue is that there isnt a lot of reason to go there.
As many jobs as there are, there isnt a lot of diversity. Class quests are never more than 1 instance/5 minutes long. Gear is all 100% generic, and there is no questing for unique gear (how i would love a 10-15 part quest for a black belt, multiple instances, boss drop items, clear xyz require crafting/gathering).
Currently though, there are only 2 posts needed in each forum honestly:
1) BiS gear
2) Ideal rotation for single target/ae target
Maybe the occasional
3?) How do you hand X on mob Y
but even then, thats so generic that it could just go in general since 3-4 other jobs will have to handle it the exact same way.
As many jobs as there are, there isnt a lot of diversity. Class quests are never more than 1 instance/5 minutes long. Gear is all 100% generic, and there is no questing for unique gear (how i would love a 10-15 part quest for a black belt, multiple instances, boss drop items, clear xyz require crafting/gathering).
Currently though, there are only 2 posts needed in each forum honestly:
1) BiS gear
2) Ideal rotation for single target/ae target
Maybe the occasional
3?) How do you hand X on mob Y
but even then, thats so generic that it could just go in general since 3-4 other jobs will have to handle it the exact same way.
Just delete them. I said when they were created that they would not be used. No point in class & job forums being separate.
Actually, the job forums would be incredibly useful if they all included guides for each raid/battle.
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I think the class/job forums are redundant, honestly. I think they could be compressed. Playing as a white mage is not radically different than playing as a conjurer was.
Catwho wrote:
I think the class/job forums are redundant, honestly. I think they could be compressed. Playing as a white mage is not radically different than playing as a conjurer was.
White mage doesn't have it's own forum. Did you mean to say Scholar?
If any group of forums should be compressed, it's the Disciples of the Hand ones.
Edit: Oh, I see. I didn't even see the separate Job drop down. Yeah, WHM and CNJ seem like they should be the same forum.
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 1:36pm by svlyons
I don't think the class forums are needed either. Even when I play as a class, I'm doing solo stuff that aren't intensive enough to need guides.
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THe forums could be compressed and renamed, maybe... Or maybe each job forum could have a sticky with info for each relevant class.
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svlyons wrote:
Edit: Oh, I see. I didn't even see the separate Job drop down.
Yes. I used to have to follow Hitome's links to find the BLM forum. Hard to say what kind of information would be shared if these Job specific forums were more clearly accessible from the General Discussion page.
I tried to convince Hitome to write a How-to-Guide specific to BLM in Coil Turn 4 and 5. For the amount of work a guide like that takes, it's not exactly worth it for the 3~4 people that know where the BLM forum is.
We did discuss food, rotations, BiS, working with other jobs from a BLM perspective, etc. There is a lot to be learned from those who have already researched things you want to know. Who knew having a Virus Rotation was so useful? It's not exactly critical like Silence Rotation, but damn you can see the difference that a boss having 15% STR/DEX down for the entire fight as opposed to not.
I just hope it can be something the Admins can find time for at least before there is a Level Cap increase. There will be Job specific information flying around like crazy when that happens.
Thayos wrote:
THe forums could be compressed and renamed, maybe... Or maybe each job forum could have a sticky with info for each relevant class.
Could that be done without even having to redesign anything? I agree class forums are not really required, except for new-new players who don't even know what their corresponding Job is.
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An so on. This make sme wonder if there are some Bard things I could learn, hmm. Hmm, nope not really. These forums just not really utilized right now.
The last time I asked a question in General that had been partially answered in the job forum I got reamed by members of this forum. I stated the same thing, that the job forums were mostly dead. Now if I have a question I dont bother asking at all. It's easier to just do a google search. I'm glad to see this can be brought up and discussed like adults out in the open now.
Thayos I went into the Gladiator forums yesterday looking exactly for what you just described- a guide for tanking each dungeon- and didn't find anything. I did find some general advice though. But what you point out is exactly the problem I saw. There's a lack of content. This is a great opportunity to post guides and such and is a lot better than screaming at people in CT about what they should've been doing all along while the group wipes. I have a ton of questions about tanking (like what's stunnable and whats not) that guides would answer.
Hell I'd write some myself but I'm not in full Allagan or whatever, haven't done coil, and there's a lot I haven't done yet. It wouldn't be concise and in some cases might be outright wrong because I just dont know better, encouraging argument and trolling.
Thayos I went into the Gladiator forums yesterday looking exactly for what you just described- a guide for tanking each dungeon- and didn't find anything. I did find some general advice though. But what you point out is exactly the problem I saw. There's a lack of content. This is a great opportunity to post guides and such and is a lot better than screaming at people in CT about what they should've been doing all along while the group wipes. I have a ton of questions about tanking (like what's stunnable and whats not) that guides would answer.
Hell I'd write some myself but I'm not in full Allagan or whatever, haven't done coil, and there's a lot I haven't done yet. It wouldn't be concise and in some cases might be outright wrong because I just dont know better, encouraging argument and trolling.
reptiletim wrote:
The last time I asked a question in General that had been partially answered in the job forum I got reamed by members of this forum.
That's because you knew those forums were there -- you admitted as much in your OP -- and chose not to check the threads that were already there before posting your question.
Thayos wrote:
THe forums could be compressed and renamed, maybe... Or maybe each job forum could have a sticky with info for each relevant class.
Class-specific forums are too.. well, specific. You'd probably find far less overlap in topics if instead you had forums for tanks, healers, dps and support. Group them by role rather than by class.
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Thayos wrote:
THe forums could be compressed and renamed, maybe... Or maybe each job forum could have a sticky with info for each relevant class.
Class-specific forums are too.. well, specific. You'd probably find far less overlap in topics if instead you had forums for tanks, healers, dps and support. Group them by role rather than by class.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Thayos wrote:
THe forums could be compressed and renamed, maybe... Or maybe each job forum could have a sticky with info for each relevant class.
Class-specific forums are too.. well, specific. You'd probably find far less overlap in topics if instead you had forums for tanks, healers, dps and support. Group them by role rather than by class.
this makes the most sense to me. A DRG and MNK will function the same way in combat. The only difference would be their skill set and rotations.
Not too sure why whoever made the forums felt like every class and job needed it's own forum. FFxi did when ZAM was known as the #1 go to site and it was great because so many people visited the forums and used it...unfortunately the ff14 ZAM forums doesn't seem to be growing much...the same people who post when the game launched are the same people posting now.
is it even a good idea to have job/class forums at all? perhaps just a sticky at the top with each classes relevant information could be made instead which will consolidate all of the best info. I find the general forums slow as it is let alone class/job forums.
Doesn't happen often, but I gotta say I agree with Filth on this one.
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Doesn't happen often, but I gotta say I agree with Filth on this one.
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LET IT FORTH WHENCE BE KNOWN THAT THE ZAM CIRCLE JERKS ARE IN ACCORDANCE
THE JURY HAS SPOKEN
MERGE THE FORUMS
LET IT FORTH WHENCE BE KNOWN THAT THE ZAM CIRCLE JERKS ARE IN ACCORDANCE
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Class-specific forums are too.. well, specific. You'd probably find far less overlap in topics if instead you had forums for tanks, healers, dps and support. Group them by role rather than by class.
I thought about that, too... general tanking strategies are similar. Stun that move... pull this mob there... off-tank grabs these mobs... etc.
However, there are also job-specific questions that could use some explaining... such as which abilities to have in your hotbar, which cross-class abilities to use (and pros and cons of each), acceptable gear configurations for different types of content (what kind of gear is actually desirable for ilvl 55 content vs. ilvl70 content, etc.), BiS armor for each job, etc.
Edit: You could have a "tank" forum with stickies for gladiator, marauder, paladin, warrior.
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 2:34pm by Thayos
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 5:00pm by Thayos
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Edited, Jan 24th 2014 6:46pm by Turin
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 6:46pm by Turin
The problem with some jobs (including BLM) is that there is already a good source of information out there that covers just about everything.
For instance:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqG_cUArVwt5dExEVEJIRmJHd2lrczg4cnZxTDVkM1E#gid=50
This link covers everything BLM-related except fight mechanics. I tried doing a fight mechanics thread for the HM primals from a BLM perspective but the forums have been dead for a while now. I don't see the benefit, as Gnu mentioned, to make a guide for other content from a BLM perspective if there is so little traffic.
For instance:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqG_cUArVwt5dExEVEJIRmJHd2lrczg4cnZxTDVkM1E#gid=50
This link covers everything BLM-related except fight mechanics. I tried doing a fight mechanics thread for the HM primals from a BLM perspective but the forums have been dead for a while now. I don't see the benefit, as Gnu mentioned, to make a guide for other content from a BLM perspective if there is so little traffic.
svlyons wrote:
reptiletim wrote:
The last time I asked a question in General that had been partially answered in the job forum I got reamed by members of this forum.
That's because you knew those forums were there -- you admitted as much in your OP -- and chose not to check the threads that were already there before posting your question.
And this is why a google search is better than asking a question here.
Thayos wrote:
THe forums could be compressed and renamed, maybe... Or maybe each job forum could have a sticky with info for each relevant class.
Basically the same problem XI has. Can't really force traffic if discussion either isn't needed or is quickly handled. It'd be one thing if we had SE reps popping in talking to us about future plans and current issues, but that's not the case. Basically, I'd say consolidate into Tanking, Damage Dealing, and Healing/Support forums. From there, you could also make another forum specifically for instances where people can do the guide thing and link to potential tactics within the specific forums.
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I agree: just do what the OF does and consolidate it into those roles. Makes it less confusing to navigate and more vague so people can talk about whatever aspect of the game they want to.
XI's job forums were quite active but I believe that was only due to the result of a few things: an age where parsing wasn't readily available nor many tools to make our lives easy so there was a lot of speculation and 'theorycrafting' done on these forums as to what to do in what situation. Also, we had more spells, abilities, more gear options, etc to discuss which is a huge topic in itself. Gameplay in XIV is different: gear isn't emphasized nearly as much but strategy is definitely something much more important than, say, XI. A trade off.
I do kind of miss the atmosphere of the old job forums. Talking with people who are excited about every facet of the job they play. All I can talk to about a fellow BLM is what they think about SS vs CRIT gearing or some very generic questions. Most of it is straight forward.
Then leave. You clearly do not like it here nor do you seem to find the information you seek: even if it is sitting right in front of your face. You're a little hurt on the bum about being called out for it so if you can't just accept your mistake and move on, go to the OF where you'll find people who appreciate your sense of obliviousness.
Edited, Jan 26th 2014 12:04am by HitomeOfBismarck
XI's job forums were quite active but I believe that was only due to the result of a few things: an age where parsing wasn't readily available nor many tools to make our lives easy so there was a lot of speculation and 'theorycrafting' done on these forums as to what to do in what situation. Also, we had more spells, abilities, more gear options, etc to discuss which is a huge topic in itself. Gameplay in XIV is different: gear isn't emphasized nearly as much but strategy is definitely something much more important than, say, XI. A trade off.
I do kind of miss the atmosphere of the old job forums. Talking with people who are excited about every facet of the job they play. All I can talk to about a fellow BLM is what they think about SS vs CRIT gearing or some very generic questions. Most of it is straight forward.
reptiletim wrote:
And this is why a google search is better than asking a question here.
Then leave. You clearly do not like it here nor do you seem to find the information you seek: even if it is sitting right in front of your face. You're a little hurt on the bum about being called out for it so if you can't just accept your mistake and move on, go to the OF where you'll find people who appreciate your sense of obliviousness.
Edited, Jan 26th 2014 12:04am by HitomeOfBismarck
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Posted: Jan 26 2014 at 10:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Dont get me wrong, I do like this forum, I just dont see a point in dealing with egos like yours. You have some axe to grind and here you are spewing **** again. I read your thread by the way. It's a good example of what we need in the class and job forums. Its very helpful for black mages looking for a good rotation. This thread right here is discussing the subject of how to bring attention to said forums.
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