Please please please please PLEASE use Eye for an Eye, Virus and Resurrection more! I can't tell you how many times on my White Mage that I am the only one doing this in Coil and Extreme Primal runs.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that these are necessities, but they sure do make the healer's job easier. For one thing, a Summoner's Virus hits INT and MND in addition to STR and DEX; plus their Eye for an Eye has a shorter cooldown (120 seconds compared to 180 seconds, respectively).
Finally, you are saving massive MP on the healers if you do their battle rezzes for them. I tend to notice Summoner's have a healthy surplus of MP, comparatively.
Don't forget that while you're a DPS first and foremost, your support abilities are nothing to be neglected or ignored.
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While I am fast on the fc/rez I will admit to not using eye for an eye much. Mainly due to being a controller user and having limited space on my main hot bars.
Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 11:50pm by Niknar
Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 11:50pm by Niknar
I wish eye for and eye had a slightly longer range, whenever I try to use it, I'm always just out of range of the tank.
I love battle rez'ing. I have it tied to a swiftcast macro and enjoy beating healers and other smn's to the raise. I use eye for an eye as much as cd allows on most things, but have to admit, during ex primals, not so much due to so much continual movement to dodge. During those fights I get wrapped up in more important skills that need to be cast and it will occasionally get neglected. Blame SE, not me.
Admiral Niknar wrote:
While I am fast on the fc/rez I will admit to not using eye for an eye much. Mainly due to being a controller user and having limited space on my main hot bars.
Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 11:50pm by Niknar
Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 11:50pm by Niknar
You should try using the new bars they added for a controller in 2.1. You hold L2/LT and then press R2/RT to do it. You have to enable it in the menus, though. Takes a bit to get used to but once you do, you're golden. The bars are nice because once you let go of the triggers/R2/L2 the bar snaps back to the one you were at before.
I find it hard to believe there are other SMNs who don't use those.
Granted, they're wasted on trash mobs except for E4E. But few things make as big of an impact on, say, Caduceus as popping Virus on him right when he hits 3 stacks. Or P5 Titan right before Tumults. And Swiftrez has saved so many of my parties its disgusting. SMN can even save a wipe if the MT has gone down in a lot of cases. Swiftsummon Titan > Enkindle > Normal Rez tank > Away when he's healed up and vokes.
E4E is Eldritch Overlord tier against hard-hitting dungeon mobs, too. The more hits, the more chances to proc. Anyone who doesn't use them is no damned Summoner.
Granted, they're wasted on trash mobs except for E4E. But few things make as big of an impact on, say, Caduceus as popping Virus on him right when he hits 3 stacks. Or P5 Titan right before Tumults. And Swiftrez has saved so many of my parties its disgusting. SMN can even save a wipe if the MT has gone down in a lot of cases. Swiftsummon Titan > Enkindle > Normal Rez tank > Away when he's healed up and vokes.
E4E is Eldritch Overlord tier against hard-hitting dungeon mobs, too. The more hits, the more chances to proc. Anyone who doesn't use them is no damned Summoner.
Even good players have off days. Last night a tank from my FC and I were running Aurum Vale for our GC promotions. About halfway through he went "Oh, crap." He hadn't been using Shield Oath the entire time. Needless to say, the 2nd half of the dungeon went a lot more smoothly. 
I use all of those abilities all the time on SMN and have advocated them on these forums.
In regards to hotbar space - I also play in the PS3. What I do is use one macro for both abilities:
/macroicon "Virus"
/recast "Eye for an Eye"
/ac "Virus" <t>
/ac "Eye for an Eye" <t>
This macro will visually show ou the virus recast on your hotbar, the EFE recast in your chat log. Will fire off virus if you are targeting an enemy or will fire off EFE if you are targeting a party member.
Swiftcast raise - I usually tell my FC groups to always leave the first raise to me. If there is more than one required I would ask the healers to step in as my Swiftcast might be on cool down at that point.
I can totally believe that some SMNs don't use these abilities though - I also see many who never make use of Shadowflare which I can't understand. 5%slow is nothing to scoff at and will also greatly help mitigate incoming damage.
Edit: to clean up the macro.
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 10:53am by Canadensis
In regards to hotbar space - I also play in the PS3. What I do is use one macro for both abilities:
/macroicon "Virus"
/recast "Eye for an Eye"
/ac "Virus" <t>
/ac "Eye for an Eye" <t>
This macro will visually show ou the virus recast on your hotbar, the EFE recast in your chat log. Will fire off virus if you are targeting an enemy or will fire off EFE if you are targeting a party member.
Swiftcast raise - I usually tell my FC groups to always leave the first raise to me. If there is more than one required I would ask the healers to step in as my Swiftcast might be on cool down at that point.
I can totally believe that some SMNs don't use these abilities though - I also see many who never make use of Shadowflare which I can't understand. 5%slow is nothing to scoff at and will also greatly help mitigate incoming damage.
Edit: to clean up the macro.
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 10:53am by Canadensis
Catwho wrote:
Even good players have off days. Last night a tank from my FC and I were running Aurum Vale for our GC promotions. About halfway through he went "Oh, crap." He hadn't been using Shield Oath the entire time. Needless to say, the 2nd half of the dungeon went a lot more smoothly.
I do this with Defiance on my WAR ALL THE TIME. Why it disappears after death is beyond me.
xPriestessx wrote:
Admiral Niknar wrote:
While I am fast on the fc/rez I will admit to not using eye for an eye much. Mainly due to being a controller user and having limited space on my main hot bars.
Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 11:50pm by Niknar
Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 11:50pm by Niknar
You should try using the new bars they added for a controller in 2.1. You hold L2/LT and then press R2/RT to do it. You have to enable it in the menus, though. Takes a bit to get used to but once you do, you're golden. The bars are nice because once you let go of the triggers/R2/L2 the bar snaps back to the one you were at before.
This is such a useful addition. It basically gives you access to the 8th bar, which when you start, has a bunch of emotes and menu shortcuts on it. Also, If you do it in the opposite order, hold R2, then L2, it brings up the other side too. I have all my travel stuff (choco, tele, return) on the Left side and then all my less used skills (presence of mind, repose, Aero II) on the right.
I stuck my Defiance button in the same spot as my SMNs Swiftcast button so I always hit it reflexively after a wipe or starting a dungeon. Saves so much headache.
Shadow Flare is one of the best abilities we have. It's our fourth DoT, is now buffed by Raging Strikes since 2.1, is AOE, and causes Slow with a corresponding 5% drop in enemy DPS. Its hard to get better than that.
Here's a fun macro I use that I'll share for SMN:
/macroicon Bane
/ac Bane <t>
/wait 1
/ac Rouse <me>
/wait 1
/pac "Aerial Slash" <t>
If you're using Bane its going to be against groups of enemies. This just throws Garudas buffed AOE attack at them to go with it.
Shadow Flare is one of the best abilities we have. It's our fourth DoT, is now buffed by Raging Strikes since 2.1, is AOE, and causes Slow with a corresponding 5% drop in enemy DPS. Its hard to get better than that.
Here's a fun macro I use that I'll share for SMN:
/macroicon Bane
/ac Bane <t>
/wait 1
/ac Rouse <me>
/wait 1
/pac "Aerial Slash" <t>
If you're using Bane its going to be against groups of enemies. This just throws Garudas buffed AOE attack at them to go with it.
DarkswordDX wrote:
I stuck my Defiance button in the same spot as my SMNs Swiftcast button so I always hit it reflexively after a wipe or starting a dungeon. Saves so much headache.
Shadow Flare is one of the best abilities we have. It's our fourth DoT, is now buffed by Raging Strikes since 2.1, is AOE, and causes Slow with a corresponding 5% drop in enemy DPS. Its hard to get better than that.
Here's a fun macro I use that I'll share for SMN:
/macroicon Bane
/ac Bane <t>
/wait 1
/ac Rouse <me>
/wait 1
/pac "Aerial Slash" <t>
If you're using Bane its going to be against groups of enemies. This just throws Garudas buffed AOE attack at them to go with it.
Shadow Flare is one of the best abilities we have. It's our fourth DoT, is now buffed by Raging Strikes since 2.1, is AOE, and causes Slow with a corresponding 5% drop in enemy DPS. Its hard to get better than that.
Here's a fun macro I use that I'll share for SMN:
/macroicon Bane
/ac Bane <t>
/wait 1
/ac Rouse <me>
/wait 1
/pac "Aerial Slash" <t>
If you're using Bane its going to be against groups of enemies. This just throws Garudas buffed AOE attack at them to go with it.
That's an interesting macro, I use a very similar one myself:
/macroicon "Rouse"
/ac "Spur" <me>
/ac "Rouse" <me>
/wait
/ac "Enkindle" <t>
Not sure how I would feel about attaching Enkindle to Bane tho... Enkindle is 5min recast and you might want to save it for something specific, whereas Bane can be used just about any time you have Aetherflow stacks (which is just about all the time).
Same principal though.
I use Enkindle for my "OH SNAP!" macro.
/macroicon Enkindle
/ac "Rouse" <me>
/p Now, <pet>! Lets show them what you've really got!
/wait 1
/ac "Spur" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Enkindle" <t>
/p ENKINDLE! <se.7>
Aerial Slash is just Garuda's normal cooldown AOE. 120 seconds IIRC? Her Enkindle is Aerial Blast. She never uses Aerial Slash since I always have her on Obey, and this is a good way to make sure I'm blowing it on mob packs properly. :p
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 11:32am by DarkswordDX
/macroicon Enkindle
/ac "Rouse" <me>
/p Now, <pet>! Lets show them what you've really got!
/wait 1
/ac "Spur" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Enkindle" <t>
/p ENKINDLE! <se.7>
Aerial Slash is just Garuda's normal cooldown AOE. 120 seconds IIRC? Her Enkindle is Aerial Blast. She never uses Aerial Slash since I always have her on Obey, and this is a good way to make sure I'm blowing it on mob packs properly. :p
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 11:32am by DarkswordDX
Canadensis wrote:
I use all of those abilities all the time on SMN and have advocated them on these forums.
In regards to hotbar space - I also play in the PS3. What I do is use one macro for both abilities:
/macroicon "Virus"
/recast "Eye for an Eye"
/ac "Virus" <t>
/ac "Eye for an Eye" <t>
This macro will visually show ou the virus recast on your hotbar, the EFE recast in your chat log. Will fire off virus if you are targeting an enemy or will fire off EFE if you are targeting a party member.
Swiftcast raise - I usually tell my FC groups to always leave the first raise to me. If there is more than one required I would ask the healers to step in as my Swiftcast might be on cool down at that point.
I can totally believe that some SMNs don't use these abilities though - I also see many who never make use of Shadowflare which I can't understand. 5%slow is nothing to scoff at and will also greatly help mitigate incoming damage.
In regards to hotbar space - I also play in the PS3. What I do is use one macro for both abilities:
/macroicon "Virus"
/recast "Eye for an Eye"
/ac "Virus" <t>
/ac "Eye for an Eye" <t>
This macro will visually show ou the virus recast on your hotbar, the EFE recast in your chat log. Will fire off virus if you are targeting an enemy or will fire off EFE if you are targeting a party member.
Swiftcast raise - I usually tell my FC groups to always leave the first raise to me. If there is more than one required I would ask the healers to step in as my Swiftcast might be on cool down at that point.
I can totally believe that some SMNs don't use these abilities though - I also see many who never make use of Shadowflare which I can't understand. 5%slow is nothing to scoff at and will also greatly help mitigate incoming damage.
Hey thanks for this! A lot of good Marco tips in this thread.
I need to review my Macros and see where /recast could be helpful.
The cooldown time shows up in the chat log, brilliant! Especially good for PS3 where you can't easily just have the ability it off to the side to watch the cooldown.
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 11:35am by Gnu
DarkswordDX wrote:
I use Enkindle for my "OH SNAP!" macro.
/macroicon Enkindle
/ac "Rouse" <me>
/p Now, <pet>! Lets show them what you've really got!
/wait 1
/ac "Spur" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Enkindle" <t>
/p ENKINDLE! <se.7>
Aerial Slash is just Garuda's normal cooldown AOE. 120 seconds IIRC? Her Enkindle is Aerial Blast. She never uses Aerial Slash since I always have her on Obey, and this is a good way to make sure I'm blowing it on mob packs properly. :p
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 11:32am by DarkswordDX
/macroicon Enkindle
/ac "Rouse" <me>
/p Now, <pet>! Lets show them what you've really got!
/wait 1
/ac "Spur" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Enkindle" <t>
/p ENKINDLE! <se.7>
Aerial Slash is just Garuda's normal cooldown AOE. 120 seconds IIRC? Her Enkindle is Aerial Blast. She never uses Aerial Slash since I always have her on Obey, and this is a good way to make sure I'm blowing it on mob packs properly. :p
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 11:32am by DarkswordDX
Oh! Now I see what you are saying. I had the two abilities mixed up. Aerial Slash and Aerial Blast... Duh! The macro you suggested would be great to make use of! Thanks for sharing it!
Addendum: Stop using Obey with Garuda on Primals unless you know how to cancel their attacks.
Why's that? I haven't done any EX besides Garuda so far. Are you talking about the Spiny?
Yea I don't understand that either... If Garuda is set to Obey she will only use Wind Blade - her standard single target damage attack... There is nothing to cancel if you don't issue other commands... Sic is the stance where she will use the other abilities - you shouldn't be using Sic at all in my opinion. Not with Garuda anyways, I use Sic sometimes with Titan when I am soloing.
DarkswordDX wrote:
Why's that? I haven't done any EX besides Garuda so far. Are you talking about the Spiny?
Canadensis wrote:
Yea I don't understand that either... If Garuda is set to Obey she will only use Wind Blade - her standard single target damage attack... There is nothing to cancel if you don't issue other commands... Sic is the stance where she will use the other abilities - you shouldn't be using Sic at all in my opinion. Not with Garuda anyways, I use Sic sometimes with Titan when I am soloing.
Because you have to target mobs and in order to do so and a lot of SMNs as of late don't control her so she'll move in to do Wind Blade as you set her to Obey. So SMNs that do it off the bat end up pulling said primal over to the party and sometimes wiping it out.
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 12:09pm by Theonehio
So really what you are saying is to use obey at the right time... Not to stop using obey - that is bad advice - and basic control that a SMN should know before they get to the point of running ex primals.
Generally best practice is to set her to steady as you enter the instance then obey once the tank has the enemy in position.
Generally best practice is to set her to steady as you enter the instance then obey once the tank has the enemy in position.
Theonehio wrote:
DarkswordDX wrote:
Why's that? I haven't done any EX besides Garuda so far. Are you talking about the Spiny?
Canadensis wrote:
Yea I don't understand that either... If Garuda is set to Obey she will only use Wind Blade - her standard single target damage attack... There is nothing to cancel if you don't issue other commands... Sic is the stance where she will use the other abilities - you shouldn't be using Sic at all in my opinion. Not with Garuda anyways, I use Sic sometimes with Titan when I am soloing.
[quote]Because you have to target mobs and in order to do so and a lot of SMNs as of late don't control her so she'll move in to do Wind Blade as you set her to Obey. So SMNs that do it off the bat end up pulling said primal over to the party and sometimes wiping it out.
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 12:09pm by Theonehio
Target Primal/hit Obey + Heel = profit
Edited, Jan 24th 2014 3:26pm by nonameoflevi
xPriestessx wrote:
Admiral Niknar wrote:
While I am fast on the fc/rez I will admit to not using eye for an eye much. Mainly due to being a controller user and having limited space on my main hot bars.
Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 11:50pm by Niknar
Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 11:50pm by Niknar
You should try using the new bars they added for a controller in 2.1. You hold L2/LT and then press R2/RT to do it. You have to enable it in the menus, though. Takes a bit to get used to but once you do, you're golden. The bars are nice because once you let go of the triggers/R2/L2 the bar snaps back to the one you were at before.
Oh, thanks for the heads up on this! I must have missed it in the patch notes ><
xPriestessx wrote:
Admiral Niknar wrote:
While I am fast on the fc/rez I will admit to not using eye for an eye much. Mainly due to being a controller user and having limited space on my main hot bars.
Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 11:50pm by Niknar
Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 11:50pm by Niknar
You should try using the new bars they added for a controller in 2.1. You hold L2/LT and then press R2/RT to do it. You have to enable it in the menus, though. Takes a bit to get used to but once you do, you're golden. The bars are nice because once you let go of the triggers/R2/L2 the bar snaps back to the one you were at before.
Oh, thanks for the heads up on this! I must have missed it in the patch notes ><
No problem. I missed it too and someone mentioned it here on this site and that's how I found it lol. The circle continues to turn.
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