would this be a GOOD way to implem,ent NM/HNMs?Follow

Not a bad idea, actually.

Doesn't matter what you do, the vocal minority will complain about it's "inaccessibility."

Which was only a problem in FFXI because the claim would lock you out if you weren't in the same party..

But in FFXIV, it's possible to get credit for things if you do enough damage, as long as the desired reward wasn't tied to the claim. (I understand ordinary drops and gil are tied to the claim, but xp, quest items, and fate rewards are not). And in fact, that's pretty much how Odin, who is the closest thing to an HNM in FFXIV, works right now.

Edited, Jan 21st 2014 11:46am by Xoie

considering coil and primal and CT gear as it is now cant be traded or sold a FC would have no reason to keep a monopoly on said HNMs once they got everyone in their FC what they wanted

No more timed mobs on a long cycle, though.

I like this cycle:
- Trash mob drops rare/ex pop item for low level NM
- Low level NM has a chance of dropping mediocre gear and a higher level NM pop
- Higher level NM pop drops better gear and a shot at a HQ NM level pop
- HQ NM pop drops best gear

No timers, just effort.

Even if everyone in your group has all the drops, you can still find one reason to monopolize HNM spawns: gil. Got a bot that can outclaim everyone else? Claim it even if no one in your group needs the drop, and then sell an open spot in the alliance to an outsider who wants the drop.

The same thing happened in XI with R/Ex drops. Just because you can't sell the item itself doesn't mean you can't sell the ability to lot on the drop.

FCs in that circumstance will lock down for exclusivity reasons or sell loot rights if HNMs are in the game. It's been done before and it would happen again.

I would love to have Sky, or even Sea, something you have to go through a long series of quests to access would mean longevity for that segment of the audience who loved FFXI... and we're loyal customers dammit!

As long as this content is instanced, the implication of benefit at the detriment of another, like XI's (H)NMs were, isn't really an issue. If someone is willing to buy a clear or drop and someone is willing to sell them that opportunity, there's no rule being broken. I can get how some might feel it breaks the spirit of the game or leads to n00bz getting gear they "don't deserve," but there comes a point where minding one's own business needs to come into play.

But as has been otherwise noted, there are people who would literally attack and attempt to choke off the supply if only for personal profit. There's also a part of me that questions how deeply Duo really got into XI's endgame scene at the HNM peak if he'd never encountered someone or a group literally letting drops rot to maintain exclusivity and/or a price tag. Fundamentally, I do not support the return of (H)NMs as they existed in XI, as they encourage bad behavior on so many levels from players when that feeling of need is involved. Trying to paint over this with the allure of CT drops and the like also strikes me as an attempt to mask the issues those events have with their loot acquisition.

So, this leaves me more to question possible intent. Is this more a case of wanting more epic, dangerous mobs out in the open world? I do feel they have a place within FATEs or even quests like the Chim/Hydra stages of relics. The trick is for SE to design these better and to better accommodate for participation or lack thereof without being basic roadblocks like a max level aggro mob in a lowbie area. The next question would be if it's more about loot. It's no secret I champion alternate progression paths to rival "raiding" or at least as how XIV depicts such. This means better crafting, better GC rewards, upping appeal for gathering, building on the materia system, and then some. Exclusive mobs, thus exclusive loot, simply do not fit nicely into this scheme. Genuine effort should be translating to rewards for us players and not happening to be on at 3am when nobody else was around to find a rare mob. The twisted delusion SE had with XI that people just wander all willy nilly to find things and not camp things is just that.

You pretty much solved the problem with your last statement. All that needs to be done is adding more content that cannot be completed within one day.

Right now, 1-5 takes around an hour and 10 minutes with no wipes. Adding the next set of coils will increase the time you spend raiding quite a bit for the first month or two because you are learning new content. After that, it will probably get done within an hour as well. There isn't much that can speed up coil 1-5 even with additions to gear.

The problem is, they plan to implement coil additions every other patch and not every patch. That means we will be in situations like this every other patch where CT drops mediocre gear that your mains don't need, leaving you with nothing to do but primals. Primals will keep you busy for ~2 weeks or so until you farm the crap out of them and they become useless as well.

I would hope that there are plans in the works for adding another endgame dungeon like coil or that an expansion will be announced which will add that for us. If coil turn 6+ doesn't take a substantial amount of time to complete, we'll just be back to where we are in another 4 months or so.

I have been thinking of a NM/HNM system for quite awhile in this game. As much as it was a treat or torture in XI, I actually miss the system. However, I was thinking maybe they could bring back the system but implement them in dungeons.

For instance, have a special NM/HNM or three that appear in each dungeon that randomly spawn. Jagged-ear Jack has a chance to appear in Tam-Tara, or Serket appearing in Copper Bell Mines (HM). Each bringing in a unique item either equal to the dungeon's level or one amazingly high. The spawn rate doesn't have to be ridiculously low but the randomness is what makes it challenging. This could add replay value to the dungeons. I would compare this to the Leves. A warrant would randomly appear during a Leve task.

If doesn't work, then they could just make a Nyzul type instance where you have to progress floors and fight FATE type NMs or newer ones for rare equipment.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2014 10:28am by TrenchTMK

It could be like the "wanted target" that appears during your leves. You're moving along in the dungeon and suddenly "A wanted target has appeared in the dungeon."

And if it spawns in a point that a group has already cleared, it might give you a bit of an incentive to backtrack.

Might disrupt speed runs, though, where you just ignore half the mobs and hit the elevator.

Oh that'll be cool. I always feel these dungeons to be interesting in landscape design but I feel that we never really make use of some of the rooms. I think the back-tracking idea would be an excellent motive.