Hello!
Looking for information on what to do after dinging 50 WVR.
My gear is sad, iLvl 36, but had no issues lvling.
I did do the 50 quest, but that's about it. Any advice?
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What is your goal in game? Need a bit more info before giving advice.
You could spend hundreds of thousands of gil and level every other craft to 50 too.
Or just buy some gear off the market boards when you need it for 100 to 1000 gil.
There's no money to be made anymore crafting sadly. And i wish i realized this before i leveled everything to 50 too. There are a couple of items that are good money, but rarely sell. People level so fast now that a lot of gear is skipped, and even simple NQ alternatives off quests or leves usually are sufficient to get by instead of expensive HQ items from the Market Boards. You said it yourself, you find your gear pretty sad for level 36 but you had no issues leveling. And while everything you make that you gathered yourself (Get botanist/Miner to 50) is profit, the profit margins on that are terrible. You can buy a stack of 99 of any kind of ore for about 800 to 1500 gil. The time you spend on that could have been spend on running even something simple such as Castrum Meridium for 1500 gil off the final boss.Without the hassle of waiting for it to sell or people undercutting you.
Weaver is the only thing that can make some money, and that's only if you are lucky with mid-level mage and crafting gear that have no decent alternatives. And even then, with a market so saturated, the NQ piece is 300 gil and the HQ piece never sells unless you get super lucky. And that's not counting the people who just skip the gear entirely.
With the way the Developers made crafting worse than anything you can pick up from a dungeon there's not much you can do.
Lets face it, you can easily get a full set of Darklight armor in a day without much effort now, which is ilvl70 and you as a crafter can only make pieces up to about ilvl 55 or Rediculously expensive ilvl70 gear that is both outclassed by Darklight's stats and also never bought because the main ingredients even if farmed yourself are so expensive they have to be listed at atleast 70k now or they are a complete waste of time. No one is going to spend 70k for a single piece of gear if they could just as easily farm up a complete set for free in less than a day's time. I did a couple 20 minute Crystal Tower's (200 Philo each), Roulette CM (300 Philo) and i was back to 1300 Philo tomes in no time. Spend maybe three hours at most, and if i were buying Darklight gear, that would equal Three out of the Five main pieces already.
I take absolutely no pleasure in saying this, but frankly:
Crafting, by all intends and purposes, is DEAD in Final Fantasy XIV.
All that's left is people desperately trying to undercut by more than half trying to get rid of their build up stockpiles before the markets crash completely. Want to make money? Buy from market boards and sell to NPC. That's it.
Or just buy some gear off the market boards when you need it for 100 to 1000 gil.
There's no money to be made anymore crafting sadly. And i wish i realized this before i leveled everything to 50 too. There are a couple of items that are good money, but rarely sell. People level so fast now that a lot of gear is skipped, and even simple NQ alternatives off quests or leves usually are sufficient to get by instead of expensive HQ items from the Market Boards. You said it yourself, you find your gear pretty sad for level 36 but you had no issues leveling. And while everything you make that you gathered yourself (Get botanist/Miner to 50) is profit, the profit margins on that are terrible. You can buy a stack of 99 of any kind of ore for about 800 to 1500 gil. The time you spend on that could have been spend on running even something simple such as Castrum Meridium for 1500 gil off the final boss.Without the hassle of waiting for it to sell or people undercutting you.
Weaver is the only thing that can make some money, and that's only if you are lucky with mid-level mage and crafting gear that have no decent alternatives. And even then, with a market so saturated, the NQ piece is 300 gil and the HQ piece never sells unless you get super lucky. And that's not counting the people who just skip the gear entirely.
With the way the Developers made crafting worse than anything you can pick up from a dungeon there's not much you can do.
Lets face it, you can easily get a full set of Darklight armor in a day without much effort now, which is ilvl70 and you as a crafter can only make pieces up to about ilvl 55 or Rediculously expensive ilvl70 gear that is both outclassed by Darklight's stats and also never bought because the main ingredients even if farmed yourself are so expensive they have to be listed at atleast 70k now or they are a complete waste of time. No one is going to spend 70k for a single piece of gear if they could just as easily farm up a complete set for free in less than a day's time. I did a couple 20 minute Crystal Tower's (200 Philo each), Roulette CM (300 Philo) and i was back to 1300 Philo tomes in no time. Spend maybe three hours at most, and if i were buying Darklight gear, that would equal Three out of the Five main pieces already.
I take absolutely no pleasure in saying this, but frankly:
Crafting, by all intends and purposes, is DEAD in Final Fantasy XIV.
All that's left is people desperately trying to undercut by more than half trying to get rid of their build up stockpiles before the markets crash completely. Want to make money? Buy from market boards and sell to NPC. That's it.
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Now y kick yourself in the butt over and over for wasting all that time/gil levelling a crafting class to 50 and actually thinking you would get a mechanical benefit out of it.
Good answer folks, and it explains why I can find any information on what to do at 50 DOH =)
If asked "what do indignant 50 with DOM/DOW" you can flood a post with links on tome farming, CT gear, primal weapons etc. nothing like that for DOH.
If asked "what do indignant 50 with DOM/DOW" you can flood a post with links on tome farming, CT gear, primal weapons etc. nothing like that for DOH.
Grats on 50 wvr! Here is a quick grocery list of things you should be working towards:
1. Level the other DoH classes to at least 15 to get the first cross-class abilities. These will go a long way in helping you consistently HQ things, probably more than gear will.
2. You will want to start gearing your weaver with either your fully-melded hq weavers set, or if you plan to level the other DoH classes to 50, you can instead use a hq patricians set which lets you have one set for all DoH saving you a lot of money in gear and melds. The Dodore Doublet is also an alternative to the Patricians Coatee and it has an extra materia slot, saving you one forbidden meld.
3. Fully meld your crafting gear. If you're melding your weaver set, use this guide: http://disciplesoftheland.com/GuideView.aspx?gid=23 if youre melding patricians, use this: http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1386181998225076127
The ilvl 70 / two-star crafted stuff still makes decent gil if you do it right. The pieces don't sell often during the week though, so this is when the undercutting starts to get the worst. It's best to list these pieces on the weekend from what I've seen. If you purchase the tome mats with your own tomes, you maximize your profits. On Excalibur, even if you purchase the mats or market, you can make about double your investment or more (invest ~35k, sell for ~70k-100k).
A really good source of income is soulbinding gear for materia. You can make yourself a set of ilvl 45+ gear and head out to Urth's Fount to soulbind / choco lvl and be able to convert the set to materia in less than 45 min. Here is a guide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1LOUv1IgzQ I use this method frequently and usually leave with 2-3 tier IV materia and about a dozen tier III materia. On weekends I will sometimes spend several hours there and make close to a million gil.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 11:11am by OnyxFFXI
1. Level the other DoH classes to at least 15 to get the first cross-class abilities. These will go a long way in helping you consistently HQ things, probably more than gear will.
2. You will want to start gearing your weaver with either your fully-melded hq weavers set, or if you plan to level the other DoH classes to 50, you can instead use a hq patricians set which lets you have one set for all DoH saving you a lot of money in gear and melds. The Dodore Doublet is also an alternative to the Patricians Coatee and it has an extra materia slot, saving you one forbidden meld.
3. Fully meld your crafting gear. If you're melding your weaver set, use this guide: http://disciplesoftheland.com/GuideView.aspx?gid=23 if youre melding patricians, use this: http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1386181998225076127
The ilvl 70 / two-star crafted stuff still makes decent gil if you do it right. The pieces don't sell often during the week though, so this is when the undercutting starts to get the worst. It's best to list these pieces on the weekend from what I've seen. If you purchase the tome mats with your own tomes, you maximize your profits. On Excalibur, even if you purchase the mats or market, you can make about double your investment or more (invest ~35k, sell for ~70k-100k).
A really good source of income is soulbinding gear for materia. You can make yourself a set of ilvl 45+ gear and head out to Urth's Fount to soulbind / choco lvl and be able to convert the set to materia in less than 45 min. Here is a guide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1LOUv1IgzQ I use this method frequently and usually leave with 2-3 tier IV materia and about a dozen tier III materia. On weekends I will sometimes spend several hours there and make close to a million gil.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 11:11am by OnyxFFXI
If I understand you correctly, you can get your HQ lvl 50 Weaver set and meld it to be able to HQ 2 star . You can work on your Luminary Tool.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 11:09am by nonameoflevi
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 11:09am by nonameoflevi
One thing you can consider doing is making HQ weaving ingredients to sell to other crafters, too. Not everyone has weaver at 50, but I guarantee there is a market out there for HQ linen and wool and felt cloth and thread.
Since you're a crafter, you can make stuff. There's really no "content" for lvl 50 DoH like there is for lvl 50 DoW/DoM. So you're either going to make stuff to use, or make stuff to sell. Everything else with your DoH class is about making it so that you can "unlock" 1 Star and 2 Star recipes and more reliably HQ the stuff you make.
Right now, it's a painful experience trying to sell things on the market. Most players are saving as much gil as possible toward FC housing. The few buyers that are left aren't enough to handle all of the sellers right now.
It's gratifying to be able to make gear for yourself as you level other classes. Weaving produces a lot of mage gear, so you could level a mage job and make your own HQ gear. Weaving also produces a lot of crafting gear, so you could make your own crafting gear to level another craft. Leatherworker is a nice class to level with Weaving since it will cover most of the other crafting gear in the visible slots and waist slot, and would also let you make your own Weaving AF for the hands and feet slots.
Right now, it's a painful experience trying to sell things on the market. Most players are saving as much gil as possible toward FC housing. The few buyers that are left aren't enough to handle all of the sellers right now.
It's gratifying to be able to make gear for yourself as you level other classes. Weaving produces a lot of mage gear, so you could level a mage job and make your own HQ gear. Weaving also produces a lot of crafting gear, so you could make your own crafting gear to level another craft. Leatherworker is a nice class to level with Weaving since it will cover most of the other crafting gear in the visible slots and waist slot, and would also let you make your own Weaving AF for the hands and feet slots.
Like one poster said make cloths and other items crafters buy "since" your current gear is not optimized.
I would advise you to level BTN with that job that is important. BTN produces alot of items to be crafted for WVR.
Remember that the game is less than 6 months old in terms of 2.0 so there will be more crafted gears that will be released along maybe high level tier materia.
Also its the best time now to level a craft(s) since they market is so saturated. Items for the most part will be inexpensive.
I suspect that with new release of craftable items across the board the demand for crafting items will be high. There is no rush so take the time to gather and farm items if its worth time vs gil.
I personally chose to farm/gather most of my items for the crafts I have level and counting. I've made 1mil+ gil in process.
And get this I ended up buying WVR HQ clothes to craft my HQ artifacts for the various gathering/craft class I leveled. I must of spent 100K+ gil that day for mats that gear I crafted that are worth 100,000s gil since I HQed. And I've made that gil back in 5 days without even trying.
Thing is there no rush to level crafts right now, but level them and take your time...also use leves...don't use leves to level DoM and DoW exp is easy to gain on those. That is my advise to the original poster and others.
I would advise you to level BTN with that job that is important. BTN produces alot of items to be crafted for WVR.
Remember that the game is less than 6 months old in terms of 2.0 so there will be more crafted gears that will be released along maybe high level tier materia.
Also its the best time now to level a craft(s) since they market is so saturated. Items for the most part will be inexpensive.
I suspect that with new release of craftable items across the board the demand for crafting items will be high. There is no rush so take the time to gather and farm items if its worth time vs gil.
I personally chose to farm/gather most of my items for the crafts I have level and counting. I've made 1mil+ gil in process.
And get this I ended up buying WVR HQ clothes to craft my HQ artifacts for the various gathering/craft class I leveled. I must of spent 100K+ gil that day for mats that gear I crafted that are worth 100,000s gil since I HQed. And I've made that gil back in 5 days without even trying.
Thing is there no rush to level crafts right now, but level them and take your time...also use leves...don't use leves to level DoM and DoW exp is easy to gain on those. That is my advise to the original poster and others.
I've found on late level weaver I didn't have to use leves. I'm getting enough exp just hitting each recipe the first time and HQing it to sell.
Catwho wrote:
I've found on late level weaver I didn't have to use leves. I'm getting enough exp just hitting each recipe the first time and HQing it to sell.
The problem with this approach is that there's no market for a lot of the items you wind up making in the level 45 to 50 range. For DoW and DoM gear, players will start getting AF at lvl 45 and not bother with craftable gear from level 45 and up (for the visible gear slots). With DoH and DoL, players can easily get from 45 to 50 on leves without needing to upgrade gear at that point, and they can simply wait until they hit 50 and get AF then.
svlyons wrote:
Catwho wrote:
I've found on late level weaver I didn't have to use leves. I'm getting enough exp just hitting each recipe the first time and HQing it to sell.
The problem with this approach is that there's no market for a lot of the items you wind up making in the level 45 to 50 range. For DoW and DoM gear, players will start getting AF at lvl 45 and not bother with craftable gear from level 45 and up (for the visible gear slots). With DoH and DoL, players can easily get from 45 to 50 on leves without needing to upgrade gear at that point, and they can simply wait until they hit 50 and get AF then.
Just want to add in that you can also use GC crafting/gathering items as well. Having said that, I still see the HQ versions sale for good money.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 2:59pm by nonameoflevi
Undyed felt sells like hot cakes so if you chose that route it would be wise to try and hit HQ since these puppies eat I think 6 shards of lightning. If farmed mats you are sure to make some profit while leveling.
svlyons wrote:
Catwho wrote:
I've found on late level weaver I didn't have to use leves. I'm getting enough exp just hitting each recipe the first time and HQing it to sell.
The problem with this approach is that there's no market for a lot of the items you wind up making in the level 45 to 50 range. For DoW and DoM gear, players will start getting AF at lvl 45 and not bother with craftable gear from level 45 and up (for the visible gear slots). With DoH and DoL, players can easily get from 45 to 50 on leves without needing to upgrade gear at that point, and they can simply wait until they hit 50 and get AF then.
Not making a lot of profit, for sure, but it's selling slowly.
Catwho wrote:
Not making a lot of profit, for sure, but it's selling slowly.
Just imagine how much more slowly they would sell if more people did what you did to level weaving!
KojiroSoma wrote:
You could spend hundreds of thousands of gil and level every other craft to 50 too.
Or just buy some gear off the market boards when you need it for 100 to 1000 gil.
There's no money to be made anymore crafting sadly. And i wish i realized this before i leveled everything to 50 too. There are a couple of items that are good money, but rarely sell. People level so fast now that a lot of gear is skipped, and even simple NQ alternatives off quests or leves usually are sufficient to get by instead of expensive HQ items from the Market Boards. You said it yourself, you find your gear pretty sad for level 36 but you had no issues leveling. And while everything you make that you gathered yourself (Get botanist/Miner to 50) is profit, the profit margins on that are terrible. You can buy a stack of 99 of any kind of ore for about 800 to 1500 gil. The time you spend on that could have been spend on running even something simple such as Castrum Meridium for 1500 gil off the final boss.Without the hassle of waiting for it to sell or people undercutting you.
Weaver is the only thing that can make some money, and that's only if you are lucky with mid-level mage and crafting gear that have no decent alternatives. And even then, with a market so saturated, the NQ piece is 300 gil and the HQ piece never sells unless you get super lucky. And that's not counting the people who just skip the gear entirely.
With the way the Developers made crafting worse than anything you can pick up from a dungeon there's not much you can do.
Lets face it, you can easily get a full set of Darklight armor in a day without much effort now, which is ilvl70 and you as a crafter can only make pieces up to about ilvl 55 or Rediculously expensive ilvl70 gear that is both outclassed by Darklight's stats and also never bought because the main ingredients even if farmed yourself are so expensive they have to be listed at atleast 70k now or they are a complete waste of time. No one is going to spend 70k for a single piece of gear if they could just as easily farm up a complete set for free in less than a day's time. I did a couple 20 minute Crystal Tower's (200 Philo each), Roulette CM (300 Philo) and i was back to 1300 Philo tomes in no time. Spend maybe three hours at most, and if i were buying Darklight gear, that would equal Three out of the Five main pieces already.
I take absolutely no pleasure in saying this, but frankly:
Crafting, by all intends and purposes, is DEAD in Final Fantasy XIV.
All that's left is people desperately trying to undercut by more than half trying to get rid of their build up stockpiles before the markets crash completely. Want to make money? Buy from market boards and sell to NPC. That's it.
Or just buy some gear off the market boards when you need it for 100 to 1000 gil.
There's no money to be made anymore crafting sadly. And i wish i realized this before i leveled everything to 50 too. There are a couple of items that are good money, but rarely sell. People level so fast now that a lot of gear is skipped, and even simple NQ alternatives off quests or leves usually are sufficient to get by instead of expensive HQ items from the Market Boards. You said it yourself, you find your gear pretty sad for level 36 but you had no issues leveling. And while everything you make that you gathered yourself (Get botanist/Miner to 50) is profit, the profit margins on that are terrible. You can buy a stack of 99 of any kind of ore for about 800 to 1500 gil. The time you spend on that could have been spend on running even something simple such as Castrum Meridium for 1500 gil off the final boss.Without the hassle of waiting for it to sell or people undercutting you.
Weaver is the only thing that can make some money, and that's only if you are lucky with mid-level mage and crafting gear that have no decent alternatives. And even then, with a market so saturated, the NQ piece is 300 gil and the HQ piece never sells unless you get super lucky. And that's not counting the people who just skip the gear entirely.
With the way the Developers made crafting worse than anything you can pick up from a dungeon there's not much you can do.
Lets face it, you can easily get a full set of Darklight armor in a day without much effort now, which is ilvl70 and you as a crafter can only make pieces up to about ilvl 55 or Rediculously expensive ilvl70 gear that is both outclassed by Darklight's stats and also never bought because the main ingredients even if farmed yourself are so expensive they have to be listed at atleast 70k now or they are a complete waste of time. No one is going to spend 70k for a single piece of gear if they could just as easily farm up a complete set for free in less than a day's time. I did a couple 20 minute Crystal Tower's (200 Philo each), Roulette CM (300 Philo) and i was back to 1300 Philo tomes in no time. Spend maybe three hours at most, and if i were buying Darklight gear, that would equal Three out of the Five main pieces already.
I take absolutely no pleasure in saying this, but frankly:
Crafting, by all intends and purposes, is DEAD in Final Fantasy XIV.
All that's left is people desperately trying to undercut by more than half trying to get rid of their build up stockpiles before the markets crash completely. Want to make money? Buy from market boards and sell to NPC. That's it.
Man, aint that the sad truth.
svlyons wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Not making a lot of profit, for sure, but it's selling slowly.
Just imagine how much more slowly they would sell if more people did what you did to level weaving!
I'm about to hit 300K gil tonight. Now I just need to repeat that thirty times and I can buy my FC a house!
Catwho wrote:
svlyons wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Not making a lot of profit, for sure, but it's selling slowly.
Just imagine how much more slowly they would sell if more people did what you did to level weaving!
I'm about to hit 300K gil tonight. Now I just need to repeat that thirty times and I can buy my FC a
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These people telling you crafting is worthless just don't understand the market. In all honesty I make 200-500k a week depending on how willing I am to do some crafting. This is in addition to the 120k a week I make from selling maps from my DOL classes and then another 70k a week from dailies/dungeons. Add it up and I'm making 800k gil on the top end if I play alot and about 400k if I don't play that much.
I'm not going to go exactly into what I sell, as what I do is probably not the best, as I know somebody who is making millions per week but won't tell me for the same reason of not wanting his market saturated. Just try to figure it out, if you can't don't blame the game.
I'm not going to go exactly into what I sell, as what I do is probably not the best, as I know somebody who is making millions per week but won't tell me for the same reason of not wanting his market saturated. Just try to figure it out, if you can't don't blame the game.
Yeah someone else figured out my market strategy and I went from an easy 50K/day to barely scraping out 10K from lack of sales. Bah.
Namhcir wrote:
These people telling you crafting is worthless just don't understand the market... I'm not going to go exactly into what I sell, as what I do is probably not the best, as I know somebody who is making millions per week but won't tell me for the same reason of not wanting his market saturated. Just try to figure it out, if you can't don't blame the game.
I think it's funny that you disagree with people who say that crafting is worthless, yet you probably agree with them on one of the reasons that they think crafting is worthless: saturated markets. There are just too many people who can be sellers right now, and not enough people willing to be buyers (either they are hoarding their gil for FC housing, or not bothering raising gil because there's little use for it outside of FC housing).
If everyone "understood the market" like you do, guess what? No one is going to be making gil.
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Now y kick yourself in the butt over and over for wasting all that time/gil levelling a crafting class to 50 and actually thinking you would get a mechanical benefit out of it.
Actually, leveling my DoW classes is a lot cheaper when my level 50 craft jobs ensure that I can make HQ items for basically material cost... I level, and I need armor and weapons. I look in the auction house on Lamia (which has a wonderful economy with high demand and low supply) for these goods. Then if I look and see that the gear I needed was priced too high, I get the materials for a fraction of the cost, make my HQ copy, make a second (or third) copy, undercut to a reasonable margin, and make cash stack off the extras... Its that easy.
Edited, Feb 3rd 2014 9:55am by Valkayree
Everyone has atleast a few crafters leveled, if not all of them.
These days if i need an item, i just hop on botanist and grab a few logs to turn into lumber, hop on miner to get some ore, and use whatever combination of crafters i have to make myself an essentially free HQ piece opposed to having to buy it off the AH for 5k.
I really cant be the only person who does that :/ Crafting for selling is dead, crafting for making your own stuff very much alive.
These days if i need an item, i just hop on botanist and grab a few logs to turn into lumber, hop on miner to get some ore, and use whatever combination of crafters i have to make myself an essentially free HQ piece opposed to having to buy it off the AH for 5k.
I really cant be the only person who does that :/ Crafting for selling is dead, crafting for making your own stuff very much alive.
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KojiroSoma wrote:
Everyone has atleast a few crafters leveled, if not all of them.
These days if i need an item, i just hop on botanist and grab a few logs to turn into lumber, hop on miner to get some ore, and use whatever combination of crafters i have to make myself an essentially free HQ piece opposed to having to buy it off the AH for 5k.
I really cant be the only person who does that :/ Crafting for selling is dead, crafting for making your own stuff very much alive.
These days if i need an item, i just hop on botanist and grab a few logs to turn into lumber, hop on miner to get some ore, and use whatever combination of crafters i have to make myself an essentially free HQ piece opposed to having to buy it off the AH for 5k.
I really cant be the only person who does that :/ Crafting for selling is dead, crafting for making your own stuff very much alive.
No, you're not. I do this too. I've been levelling MNK a lot lately and have made everything on my own. I love cranking out HQ's for my new jobs :)
Edited, Feb 3rd 2014 9:40am by LebargeX
My DRG and MNK had HQ items in ever slot that where on point or better then the dungeons I was running. All made by me ^^
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