My god. I just went through the worst DF ever, and I've been through some bad ones.
By the spin of the Roulette wheel, I ended up in Haukke Manor Hard Mode as a healer with a couple of BLMs and a pally. The tank and one of the BLMs obviously knew each other and I suspect were BF and GF respectively. As we're crawling to the first boss, it was abundantly clear we were short on DPS. The fights dragged on too long, and we didn't manage to save any of the victims (which may even make the first boss worse, so the rumor goes). But, I'm pretty easygoing. I'm no stranger to helping newcomers through tough fights.
As you know, the first boss is a DPS race. If it drags too long, so many skeleton spawns appear that's it impossible to win.
But since we had two BLMs who could AoE everything, I felt we had a fair shot. Whenever I had skelly aggro, I'd kite them over near the tank so they could all be blasted at once, and I kept a handle on healing well into the fight. Alas, eventually I had too many skeletons to count pounding away at me on all sides, and I just couldn't heal up fast enough and fell. An LB at that moment might have saved it, so there was hope for next time...
But before I could even make the suggestion, the tank starts ripping into me. He was convinced we lost because I was moving the skeletons together, or as he put it, "running away from them." And of course, the girlfriend chimes in, calling me a "dumb *****" for wasting their time. I tried to explain my intentions, but he insisted I use Surecast and stop moving around. So to humor him, I did just that, just to demonstrate the folly of the idea.
And of course, we did worse. Now we had two bunches of skeletons to kill and I was tanking one of them which meant I couldn't keep up with healing both the tank and myself and the DPS couldn't keep up with their demands either. So after we wipe again, before I can point out how we did better the first time, the tank and the BLM queen gang up on me again and have me vote-kicked out.
I suppose in a way, that spared me any more of that hell I was in, but really, I wish there was a way abuse of the system like that could be stopped. It's just plain bullying.
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Just curious, but since you can't que for the duty roulette together, how would a couple get into the same dungeon together? Seems pretty random that they would both que for DR and get the same dungeon, especially since one was the tank who's que would probably pop way before the DPS.
Either way, from the way it sounds you should probably be happy you got kicked, Honestly if a another player called me a "dumb *****" while in a dungeon I would most likely just leave I don't really care to much for people who want to act like *** hats in video games. I have better things to do with my time.
In your case you should have waited for them to pull and then just dropped group.
Either way, from the way it sounds you should probably be happy you got kicked, Honestly if a another player called me a "dumb *****" while in a dungeon I would most likely just leave I don't really care to much for people who want to act like *** hats in video games. I have better things to do with my time.
In your case you should have waited for them to pull and then just dropped group.
Just because he was using DR doesn't mean they were...
Those skeletons shouldnt be a problem at all, even with poor dps.
From your description it sounds like your tank was to blame. He should be picking them up as they spawn and holding them. The DPS should be killing them then switching back to the boss. They go down really fast. If the mobs have time to spawn, run over to you and not only hit you but kill you, your tank either needs to practice playing his job or is just really lazy and assumed you would survive.
Out of curiosity ive just been running that dungeon and killing all mobs...what survivors are you talking about that need to be saved? Ive never noticed this but see people talk about it.
From your description it sounds like your tank was to blame. He should be picking them up as they spawn and holding them. The DPS should be killing them then switching back to the boss. They go down really fast. If the mobs have time to spawn, run over to you and not only hit you but kill you, your tank either needs to practice playing his job or is just really lazy and assumed you would survive.
Out of curiosity ive just been running that dungeon and killing all mobs...what survivors are you talking about that need to be saved? Ive never noticed this but see people talk about it.
Keysofgaruda wrote:
Those skeletons shouldnt be a problem at all, even with poor dps.
From your description it sounds like your tank was to blame. He should be picking them up as they spawn and holding them.
From your description it sounds like your tank was to blame. He should be picking them up as they spawn and holding them.
Waste of time.
When something can die within a single Fire crit (or two spells), it's fodder and not worth wasting TP to pick up.
Viertel wrote:
Keysofgaruda wrote:
Those skeletons shouldnt be a problem at all, even with poor dps.
From your description it sounds like your tank was to blame. He should be picking them up as they spawn and holding them.
From your description it sounds like your tank was to blame. He should be picking them up as they spawn and holding them.
Waste of time.
When something can die within a single Fire crit (or two spells), it's fodder and not worth wasting TP to pick up.
Although i agree with you since they really are THAT weak, if the OP was dying because of the adds then the tank should be grabbing them.
BLM is imo an inferior DD for the fight because you are supposed to kill the skeletons away from each other so that they don't merge and form the Big Daddy skeleton. AoEing them down is something you actually don't want to do, and having to move things around and then stop to cast to kill them (combined with the directional restriction that offensive casters face) takes a lot of time.
Really though, if the group was struggling with the first boss, it's probably a saving grace that you got kicked, because that spared you from 1) what would have been a real slog of a run or 2) having to eventually leave and eat a penalty.
Really though, if the group was struggling with the first boss, it's probably a saving grace that you got kicked, because that spared you from 1) what would have been a real slog of a run or 2) having to eventually leave and eat a penalty.
Jeskradha wrote:
Just curious, but since you can't que for the duty roulette together, how would a couple get into the same dungeon together? Seems pretty random that they would both que for DR and get the same dungeon, especially since one was the tank who's que would probably pop way before the DPS.
Either way, from the way it sounds you should probably be happy you got kicked, Honestly if a another player called me a "dumb *****" while in a dungeon I would most likely just leave I don't really care to much for people who want to act like *** hats in video games. I have better things to do with my time.
In your case you should have waited for them to pull and then just dropped group.
Either way, from the way it sounds you should probably be happy you got kicked, Honestly if a another player called me a "dumb *****" while in a dungeon I would most likely just leave I don't really care to much for people who want to act like *** hats in video games. I have better things to do with my time.
In your case you should have waited for them to pull and then just dropped group.
Two people can queue up and get in the dungeon of their choice. Duty Roulette will fill in bodies to make it a party as necessary.
The only thing they cannot do is use the Recommend feature, to prevent someone from "farming" recommends for each other via that method.
Way more efficient to farm them by being awesome in guildhests anyway.
Edited, Jan 13th 2014 10:55pm by Catwho
honestly i just burn the boss let the tank pick up the adds and dps boss down asap
My whole problem with that place is no one knows the exact mechanics. Lots of people think they know.
In general its boss + 2 skeletons at start.
Every 30-45 seconds a purple ritual appears to resurrect dead buttlers and a skeleton comes out of a cage.
I've heard several rumors here.
1) if the skeleton from the cage reaches the purple circle, it becomes a steward (if this were the case, than the best method to handle this boss would be to group everything, flash it, and pull away from purple circles and ae it back down.)
2) if the purple circle resurrects more than 5 skeletons at once it becomes a steward (thus the need to spread them out) (if this were the case, the best method would be to split up the adds as much as possible)
3) you should kill a skeleton in the corner of the room to prevent the circle from being able to reach the skeletons (nice idea, no idea if it would work)
4) killing the maids before they demonize a victim makes the first boss easier (done this numerous times, can confirm that demonize prior to boss has no affect)
5) 1 person must stand in the center of the purple circle have tried this and noticed no difference
6) the purple circle is bad and no one should stand there Not entirely true, it doesnt hurt you, it just makes the resurrected skeletons agro you first (assuming regen isnt going)
I would say how you handle the boss depends on your groups DD.
Low dd group?
tank grabs adds and drags them around the edge of the room and spread them out
High dd group?
Ignore all adds and burn the ever loving crap out of the boss and ignore all mechanics except the ice on the floor.
On the off chance that one of the above mentioned strats actually works?
Use it? I wont diss it, if killing in the corner actually blocks the circle from reaching the skeleton, or if it is only the 1 caged skeleton that can spawn the steward. It would be great to know.
In general its boss + 2 skeletons at start.
Every 30-45 seconds a purple ritual appears to resurrect dead buttlers and a skeleton comes out of a cage.
I've heard several rumors here.
1) if the skeleton from the cage reaches the purple circle, it becomes a steward (if this were the case, than the best method to handle this boss would be to group everything, flash it, and pull away from purple circles and ae it back down.)
2) if the purple circle resurrects more than 5 skeletons at once it becomes a steward (thus the need to spread them out) (if this were the case, the best method would be to split up the adds as much as possible)
3) you should kill a skeleton in the corner of the room to prevent the circle from being able to reach the skeletons (nice idea, no idea if it would work)
4) killing the maids before they demonize a victim makes the first boss easier (done this numerous times, can confirm that demonize prior to boss has no affect)
5) 1 person must stand in the center of the purple circle have tried this and noticed no difference
6) the purple circle is bad and no one should stand there Not entirely true, it doesnt hurt you, it just makes the resurrected skeletons agro you first (assuming regen isnt going)
I would say how you handle the boss depends on your groups DD.
Low dd group?
tank grabs adds and drags them around the edge of the room and spread them out
High dd group?
Ignore all adds and burn the ever loving crap out of the boss and ignore all mechanics except the ice on the floor.
On the off chance that one of the above mentioned strats actually works?
Use it? I wont diss it, if killing in the corner actually blocks the circle from reaching the skeleton, or if it is only the 1 caged skeleton that can spawn the steward. It would be great to know.
I've heard nothing but complaints about the vote-kick. SE could easily have known it would be abused like this. I havent been kicked myself yet, but no single situation has ever come up for me where i went "well, i sure do wish we had vote-kick now". Nor do i think anyone has ever been punished for vote-kicking anyone.
SE could have easily found another way to get rid of AFK players, or people who arent playing nice.
SE could have easily found another way to get rid of AFK players, or people who arent playing nice.
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Catwho wrote:
Jeskradha wrote:
Just curious, but since you can't que for the duty roulette together, how would a couple get into the same dungeon together? Seems pretty random that they would both que for DR and get the same dungeon, especially since one was the tank who's que would probably pop way before the DPS.
Either way, from the way it sounds you should probably be happy you got kicked, Honestly if a another player called me a "dumb *****" while in a dungeon I would most likely just leave I don't really care to much for people who want to act like *** hats in video games. I have better things to do with my time.
In your case you should have waited for them to pull and then just dropped group.
Either way, from the way it sounds you should probably be happy you got kicked, Honestly if a another player called me a "dumb *****" while in a dungeon I would most likely just leave I don't really care to much for people who want to act like *** hats in video games. I have better things to do with my time.
In your case you should have waited for them to pull and then just dropped group.
Two people can queue up and get in the dungeon of their choice. Duty Roulette will fill in bodies to make it a party as necessary.
The only thing they cannot do is use the Recommend feature, to prevent someone from "farming" recommends for each other via that method.
Way more efficient to farm them by being awesome in guildhests anyway.
Edited, Jan 13th 2014 10:55pm by Catwho
Yeah, for some reason I was thinking the DR only pulled other people using DR.
This kick feature is one of the biggest problems in this game.. You come come into a dungeon and you mention you have not done it before, after the timer is over you will get the boot if you make even a mistake. Forget trying to learn the dungeon. I see this all the time in titan runs, they will kick anyone unless it is the tank... They dont drop anymore they kick people they think hurt or are not over geared.
I have been booted twice because of others making mistakes and I die as mage because I had hate. I had cleared this successfully with ease before only to be booted..
You are the wrong job you will get booted. The big issue is it only take a few too get you booted.. We qued up with several of our FC people and one got kicked and I know we voted dont kick. I have seen people kicked because a group failed and one person being slightly under geared booted in wp, when people run wp just to get better gear, it dont make sense. I have seen people booted because of not getting the limit break because of two many of the same jobs..
This feature is the most over abused thing in the game yet. i feel bad for some people especially those just getting too end game or those running a dungeon for the first time because you are going to be booted...
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 11:39am by Nashred
Two people can queue up and get in the dungeon of their choice. Duty Roulette will fill in bodies to make it a party as necessary.
The only thing they cannot do is use the Recommend feature, to prevent someone from "farming" recommends for each other via that method.
Way more efficient to farm them by being awesome in guildhests anyway.
Edited, Jan 13th 2014 10:55pm by Catwho
Yeah, for some reason I was thinking the DR only pulled other people using DR.
See that is the problem is people that are experienced are just doing it for tomes. So they get with this newbie who needs help and they boot him because they just want to get through it fast for the tomes. This really only seems a problem with the higher dungeon roulette..
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 11:50am by Nashred
I have been booted twice because of others making mistakes and I die as mage because I had hate. I had cleared this successfully with ease before only to be booted..
You are the wrong job you will get booted. The big issue is it only take a few too get you booted.. We qued up with several of our FC people and one got kicked and I know we voted dont kick. I have seen people kicked because a group failed and one person being slightly under geared booted in wp, when people run wp just to get better gear, it dont make sense. I have seen people booted because of not getting the limit break because of two many of the same jobs..
This feature is the most over abused thing in the game yet. i feel bad for some people especially those just getting too end game or those running a dungeon for the first time because you are going to be booted...
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 11:39am by Nashred
Jeskradha wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Jeskradha wrote:
Just curious, but since you can't que for the duty roulette together, how would a couple get into the same dungeon together? Seems pretty random that they would both que for DR and get the same dungeon, especially since one was the tank who's que would probably pop way before the DPS.
Either way, from the way it sounds you should probably be happy you got kicked, Honestly if a another player called me a "dumb *****" while in a dungeon I would most likely just leave I don't really care to much for people who want to act like *** hats in video games. I have better things to do with my time.
In your case you should have waited for them to pull and then just dropped group.
Either way, from the way it sounds you should probably be happy you got kicked, Honestly if a another player called me a "dumb *****" while in a dungeon I would most likely just leave I don't really care to much for people who want to act like *** hats in video games. I have better things to do with my time.
In your case you should have waited for them to pull and then just dropped group.
Two people can queue up and get in the dungeon of their choice. Duty Roulette will fill in bodies to make it a party as necessary.
The only thing they cannot do is use the Recommend feature, to prevent someone from "farming" recommends for each other via that method.
Way more efficient to farm them by being awesome in guildhests anyway.
Edited, Jan 13th 2014 10:55pm by Catwho
Yeah, for some reason I was thinking the DR only pulled other people using DR.
See that is the problem is people that are experienced are just doing it for tomes. So they get with this newbie who needs help and they boot him because they just want to get through it fast for the tomes. This really only seems a problem with the higher dungeon roulette..
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 11:50am by Nashred
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server: Ultros
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The only time we used a vote kick was when someone disconnected and didn't come back after 5 minutes. We're surprised the game didn't auto-DC them and replenish for us.
I've never had someone kick me for saying "I'm the noob in this dungeon." I mean, they're gonna get the message that someone is new and they'll get a bonus for timely completion, so you might as well admit it up front.
I've never had someone kick me for saying "I'm the noob in this dungeon." I mean, they're gonna get the message that someone is new and they'll get a bonus for timely completion, so you might as well admit it up front.
Catwho wrote:
The only time we used a vote kick was when someone disconnected and didn't come back after 5 minutes. We're surprised the game didn't auto-DC them and replenish for us.
I've never had someone kick me for saying "I'm the noob in this dungeon." I mean, they're gonna get the message that someone is new and they'll get a bonus for timely completion, so you might as well admit it up front.
I've never had someone kick me for saying "I'm the noob in this dungeon." I mean, they're gonna get the message that someone is new and they'll get a bonus for timely completion, so you might as well admit it up front.
how much end game stuff have you done?
I also dont think you can boot for 5 or 10 min after the dungeon starts.
People seem to have no patients with end game and if they think someone is ******** it up or slowing them down its either they drop or it is good bye to you..Since this was implemented I have seen at least a dozen or more people kicked and I have been kicked twice.. Almost every time it was not called for and should have not been done.
I guess this tells you how great end game is!
Of coarse it is not everybody doing this.
Anytime you give people the ability too boot someone it is going to be abused.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 1:01pm by Nashred
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 1:05pm by Nashred
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Server: Phoenix
FFXIV : Sir Nashred
server: Ultros
Server: Phoenix
FFXIV : Sir Nashred
server: Ultros
I havent personally had any issue with vote-kick, but a tank in my FC did the other day.
He's been running CT to try to get his WAR chest, and I beleive he said he mentioned it to the other WAR (or someone) that he was going for it and if they didnt need he wanted it. Well it dropped.. and he got vote kicked.
He's been running CT to try to get his WAR chest, and I beleive he said he mentioned it to the other WAR (or someone) that he was going for it and if they didnt need he wanted it. Well it dropped.. and he got vote kicked.
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"I want to be a unicorn!"
"Awww, why's that?"........
"So I can stab people with my face."
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"I want to be a unicorn!"
"Awww, why's that?"........
"So I can stab people with my face."
Catwho wrote:
The only time we used a vote kick was when someone disconnected and didn't come back after 5 minutes. We're surprised the game didn't auto-DC them and replenish for us.
I've never had someone kick me for saying "I'm the noob in this dungeon." I mean, they're gonna get the message that someone is new and they'll get a bonus for timely completion, so you might as well admit it up front.
I've never had someone kick me for saying "I'm the noob in this dungeon." I mean, they're gonna get the message that someone is new and they'll get a bonus for timely completion, so you might as well admit it up front.
Im with cat on this, ive never seen someone vote kicked for being a noob in DF. Its only been used on afk people, and occasionally the naked troll jumping around in a bikini instead of helping.
On a side note, if you have been kicked multiple times and you feel it is unfounded, you can actually petition and talk to a gm about it.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
So what? Sounds like you guys weren't going to win anyways, at least it saves you the trouble of getting the penalty for being the first to leave. In the amount of time you spent posting this you could have probably gotten back into the dungeon and been at least halfway through it.
The vote boot is way better to have then not. As you only gave us 1 (one) example of how you got booted, it's hard for me to see this as abuse. I have already used it more than a few times in CT for jerk *** dps who just stand in the back the whole time, do no damage, then just move forward when content gets beat.
I don't have too much sympathy for complaint threads, if any at all.
EDIT: Don't forget so quickly as to why this was implemented in the first place. People were standing at the entrance in the entire dungeon, ruining most runs, and taking home free tomes for absolutely no work. I experienced that instance far more frequently than I have the kick so far, and it's a thing of the past, in favor of something that almost all modern MMO's have.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 2:19pm by supermegazeke
The vote boot is way better to have then not. As you only gave us 1 (one) example of how you got booted, it's hard for me to see this as abuse. I have already used it more than a few times in CT for jerk *** dps who just stand in the back the whole time, do no damage, then just move forward when content gets beat.
I don't have too much sympathy for complaint threads, if any at all.
EDIT: Don't forget so quickly as to why this was implemented in the first place. People were standing at the entrance in the entire dungeon, ruining most runs, and taking home free tomes for absolutely no work. I experienced that instance far more frequently than I have the kick so far, and it's a thing of the past, in favor of something that almost all modern MMO's have.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 2:19pm by supermegazeke
Dyadem, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
I havent personally had any issue with vote-kick, but a tank in my FC did the other day.
He's been running CT to try to get his WAR chest, and I beleive he said he mentioned it to the other WAR (or someone) that he was going for it and if they didnt need he wanted it. Well it dropped.. and he got vote kicked.
He's been running CT to try to get his WAR chest, and I beleive he said he mentioned it to the other WAR (or someone) that he was going for it and if they didnt need he wanted it. Well it dropped.. and he got vote kicked.
I thought they were setting it up so that you couldn't kick someone with the loot window open??? That is totally wrong, and he needs to report them if he can remember who they are.
dustinfoley wrote:
On a side note, if you have been kicked multiple times and you feel it is unfounded, you can actually petition and talk to a gm about it.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
Try getting a gm in this game..
supermegazeke wrote:
So what? Sounds like you guys weren't going to win anyways, at least it saves you the trouble of getting the penalty for being the first to leave. In the amount of time you spent posting this you could have probably gotten back into the dungeon and been at least halfway through it.
The vote boot is way better to have then not. As you only gave us 1 (one) example of how you got booted, it's hard for me to see this as abuse. I have already used it more than a few times in CT for jerk *** dps who just stand in the back the whole time, do no damage, then just move forward when content gets beat.
I don't have too much sympathy for complaint threads, if any at all.
EDIT: Don't forget so quickly as to why this was implemented in the first place. People were standing at the entrance in the entire dungeon, ruining most runs, and taking home free tomes for absolutely no work. I experienced that instance far more frequently than I have the kick so far, and it's a thing of the past, in favor of something that almost all modern MMO's have.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 2:19pm by supermegazeke
The vote boot is way better to have then not. As you only gave us 1 (one) example of how you got booted, it's hard for me to see this as abuse. I have already used it more than a few times in CT for jerk *** dps who just stand in the back the whole time, do no damage, then just move forward when content gets beat.
I don't have too much sympathy for complaint threads, if any at all.
EDIT: Don't forget so quickly as to why this was implemented in the first place. People were standing at the entrance in the entire dungeon, ruining most runs, and taking home free tomes for absolutely no work. I experienced that instance far more frequently than I have the kick so far, and it's a thing of the past, in favor of something that almost all modern MMO's have.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 2:19pm by supermegazeke
Really so it ok in WP to boot somebody because you got a monk in the party and it will slow you down, because preferred party is blm and bard.. I see people that will be just fine in a party booted. Maybe they cant do a speed run or it might take a try or two too make it past a boss but it is ok too just boot them, just because you want to make it through fast.. Hard for anyone to learn if they are just going to get the boot.
It also does not matter if you are not going to make it.. No one is going to get better if they are booted.
Sure there are people that deserve to be booted and in most cases that I have seen it is the person doing the booting.
Charlie you know me and have been in parties and I have been booted twice.. You really think I should have been booted from anything? Wait maybe you should not answer that.. LOL
It also was not implemented too have bad players kicked, or players new to a dungeon, it was for afk or abusive players.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 2:44pm by Nashred
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Posted: Jan 14 2014 at 1:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do you have any proof of this happening? I have been running dungeons constantly, and I haven't seen this happen once. Not ONCE! In all the dungeons I've run since 2.1, you would think that if this were such a problem to complain about, it would have happened frequently, or at least ONCE! I'm just gonna assume you're over exaggerating, or else none of this makes any sense. To answer your hypothetical question about a hypothetical MNK in a hypothetical WP SR, I'll say yes, because hypothetically, he was probably terrible.
There are @#%^s on the internet.
You really only have 2 choices.
Learn to ignore them and move on with your life, in which case you will be a much happier person.
Or let them bother you, in which case you are empowering them and giving them control over you, as in their ability to **** you off repeatedly. In which case you will be miserable, complain about it all the time, and not enjoy the game your playing for personal entertainment.
This really isn't something new. I completely understand how frustrating it can be, and tanks/healers are always going to take the most heat for something going wrong in a dungeon. I played a tank in WoW for 2 years, and believe me I took my fair share of being belittled and vote kicked from groups in the random dungeon finder.
On the flip side of that, if I got a dungeon I knew was going to be a struggle I would drop group, people have to understand that dungeons like Pharos Sirius are a DPS/healer skill chek, and I don't blame a tank for taking a hit and dropping group vs wasting the next hour on a run that has a pretty high success rate of failing,
Cause lets face it, there is way more stupid dps running around then their are stupid tanks/healers, And I'm not saying their aren't stupid tanks, but the number of stupid dps is just higher. Also, I would argue that most tanks and healers spend more time reading up on their class and boss mechanics then the average DPS player does, at least where DR is concerned.
As far as people being kicked for being noobs, I've never seen that happen, and while I don't think its right, Its just something you'll have to deal with if it happens. Again its really your choice to let it effect you.
This game isn't going anywhere, and I plan to be playing it for awhile. I would rather just move on and, if I have to, wait for a FC group to get something done then deal with @#%^s. There are plenty of other things to do solo if I need to leave a group cause someone is being an ***.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 3:02pm by Jeskradha
You really only have 2 choices.
Learn to ignore them and move on with your life, in which case you will be a much happier person.
Or let them bother you, in which case you are empowering them and giving them control over you, as in their ability to **** you off repeatedly. In which case you will be miserable, complain about it all the time, and not enjoy the game your playing for personal entertainment.
This really isn't something new. I completely understand how frustrating it can be, and tanks/healers are always going to take the most heat for something going wrong in a dungeon. I played a tank in WoW for 2 years, and believe me I took my fair share of being belittled and vote kicked from groups in the random dungeon finder.
On the flip side of that, if I got a dungeon I knew was going to be a struggle I would drop group, people have to understand that dungeons like Pharos Sirius are a DPS/healer skill chek, and I don't blame a tank for taking a hit and dropping group vs wasting the next hour on a run that has a pretty high success rate of failing,
Cause lets face it, there is way more stupid dps running around then their are stupid tanks/healers, And I'm not saying their aren't stupid tanks, but the number of stupid dps is just higher. Also, I would argue that most tanks and healers spend more time reading up on their class and boss mechanics then the average DPS player does, at least where DR is concerned.
As far as people being kicked for being noobs, I've never seen that happen, and while I don't think its right, Its just something you'll have to deal with if it happens. Again its really your choice to let it effect you.
This game isn't going anywhere, and I plan to be playing it for awhile. I would rather just move on and, if I have to, wait for a FC group to get something done then deal with @#%^s. There are plenty of other things to do solo if I need to leave a group cause someone is being an ***.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 3:02pm by Jeskradha
supermegazeke wrote:
Nashred wrote:
supermegazeke wrote:
So what? Sounds like you guys weren't going to win anyways, at least it saves you the trouble of getting the penalty for being the first to leave. In the amount of time you spent posting this you could have probably gotten back into the dungeon and been at least halfway through it.
The vote boot is way better to have then not. As you only gave us 1 (one) example of how you got booted, it's hard for me to see this as abuse. I have already used it more than a few times in CT for jerk *** dps who just stand in the back the whole time, do no damage, then just move forward when content gets beat.
I don't have too much sympathy for complaint threads, if any at all.
EDIT: Don't forget so quickly as to why this was implemented in the first place. People were standing at the entrance in the entire dungeon, ruining most runs, and taking home free tomes for absolutely no work. I experienced that instance far more frequently than I have the kick so far, and it's a thing of the past, in favor of something that almost all modern MMO's have.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 2:19pm by supermegazeke
The vote boot is way better to have then not. As you only gave us 1 (one) example of how you got booted, it's hard for me to see this as abuse. I have already used it more than a few times in CT for jerk *** dps who just stand in the back the whole time, do no damage, then just move forward when content gets beat.
I don't have too much sympathy for complaint threads, if any at all.
EDIT: Don't forget so quickly as to why this was implemented in the first place. People were standing at the entrance in the entire dungeon, ruining most runs, and taking home free tomes for absolutely no work. I experienced that instance far more frequently than I have the kick so far, and it's a thing of the past, in favor of something that almost all modern MMO's have.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 2:19pm by supermegazeke
Really so it ok in WP to boot somebody because you got a monk in the party and it will slow you down, because preferred party is blm and bard.. I see people that will be just fine in a party booted. Maybe they cant do a speed run or it might take a try or two too make it past a boss but it is ok too just boot them. Because you want to make it through fast.. Hard for anyone to learn if they are just going to get the boot.
It also does not matter if you are not going to make it.. No one is going to get better if they are booted.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 2:34pm by Nashred
Do you have any proof of this happening? I have been running dungeons constantly, and I haven't seen this happen once. Not ONCE! In all the dungeons I've run since 2.1, you would think that if this were such a problem to complain about, it would have happened frequently, or at least ONCE! I'm just gonna assume you're over exaggerating, or else none of this makes any sense. To answer your hypothetical question about a hypothetical MNK in a hypothetical WP SR, I'll say yes, because hypothetically, he was probably terrible.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 2:47pm by supermegazeke
Even if he was a bad player it was not designed for that and that is abuse of the system right there. Read what it was for. AFK or abusive players. I guess if you would boot someone for being a bad player that would be your proof right there it was being abused.
Again you think I am such a bad player that I deserved to be kicked twice. You dont believe me that it happened ask Tesee, you think she would lie?
Jeskradha wrote:
There are @#%^s on the internet.
You really only have 2 choices.
Learn to ignore them and move on with your life, in which case you will be a much happier person.
Or let them bother you, in which case you are empowering them and giving them control over you, as in their ability to **** you off repeatedly. In which case you will be miserable, complain about it all the time, and not enjoy the game your playing for personal entertainment.
This really isn't something new. I completely understand how frustrating it can be, and tanks/healers are always going to take the most heat for something going wrong in a dungeon. I played a tank in WoW for 2 years, and believe me I took my fair share of being belittled and vote kicked from groups in the random dungeon finder.
On the flip side of that, if I got a dungeon I knew was going to be a struggle I would drop group, people have to understand that dungeons like Pharos Sirius are a DPS/healer skill chek, and I don't blame a tank for taking a hit and dropping group vs wasting the next hour on a run that has a pretty high success rate of failing,
Cause lets face it, there is way more stupid dps running around then their are stupid tanks/healers, And I'm not saying their aren't stupid tanks, but the number of stupid dps is just higher. Also, I would argue that most tanks and healers spend more time reading up on their class and boss mechanics then the average DPS player does, at least where DR is concerned.
This game isn't going anywhere, and I plan to be playing it for awhile. I would rather just move on and, if I have to, wait for a FC group to get something done then deal with @#%^s. There are plenty of other things to do solo if I need to leave a group cause someone is being an ***.
You really only have 2 choices.
Learn to ignore them and move on with your life, in which case you will be a much happier person.
Or let them bother you, in which case you are empowering them and giving them control over you, as in their ability to **** you off repeatedly. In which case you will be miserable, complain about it all the time, and not enjoy the game your playing for personal entertainment.
This really isn't something new. I completely understand how frustrating it can be, and tanks/healers are always going to take the most heat for something going wrong in a dungeon. I played a tank in WoW for 2 years, and believe me I took my fair share of being belittled and vote kicked from groups in the random dungeon finder.
On the flip side of that, if I got a dungeon I knew was going to be a struggle I would drop group, people have to understand that dungeons like Pharos Sirius are a DPS/healer skill chek, and I don't blame a tank for taking a hit and dropping group vs wasting the next hour on a run that has a pretty high success rate of failing,
Cause lets face it, there is way more stupid dps running around then their are stupid tanks/healers, And I'm not saying their aren't stupid tanks, but the number of stupid dps is just higher. Also, I would argue that most tanks and healers spend more time reading up on their class and boss mechanics then the average DPS player does, at least where DR is concerned.
This game isn't going anywhere, and I plan to be playing it for awhile. I would rather just move on and, if I have to, wait for a FC group to get something done then deal with @#%^s. There are plenty of other things to do solo if I need to leave a group cause someone is being an ***.
I understand what you are saying but you just cant boot someone or leave because you think there is a chance you might fail... People have to learn, even the best fail or have to learn a dungeon sometimes.
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 3:03pm by Nashred
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Nashred wrote:
I understand what you are saying but you just cant boot someone or leave because you think there is a chance you might fail... People have to learn, even the best fail or have to learn a dungeon sometimes.
Honestly, my argument here would be that is what a Free Company is for, not the DR, and for someone with limited play time, I would rather take the hit for leaving and get something else done, then waste on hour on a dungeon with a group of randoms that has a high rate of failure.
Personally, I don't think I would even want to run something like Pharos Sirius without a FC group.
Look at Titan, I remember you saying how much you struggled with it through the DF, then you ran it with a FC group, half of which were new to it, and you guys cleared it. That's what FC's are for.
The fact of the matter is that in any game that has a vote to kick, it's going to abused sometimes. Google vote to kick abuse, and a list of games people are complaining about will fill your screen, it just happens. Sometimes maybe twice... or not at all, who knows. All I know is that it needs to be there, to counteract a far more easily abused system.
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