Coil Turn 2 - Enrage strategy to remainFollow

I did look at the official forms on this topic and its just ridiculous! At least the reason they say you should not do it are imho. ie, You don't learn any mechanics and it will hurt you! yeah... that enrage for T3 gets me if I don't have three healers lol.

No No No let me quote someone from the OF!

"Please do not let anyone play in a way that is different to the way I think that they should play. Please ensure that there is only one way to complete an instance (my way), and make sure there are heavy penalties for anyone that attempts to deviate from my way of thinking. For the love of god and all that is holy, DO NOT let people think outside the box. If this is allowed to continue, then it's not just the future of the game that is in jeopardy, but our children's, and our children's children."

for the bold part is not a valid point about any of the ex primals due to them all having things added that stop what was considered valid and still hare valid ways of dealing with strategies. unless you think that these are exploits and were not intended to be used

on titan hm you can leave second goal on heart till he jumps and tank can stand between bombs while tanking to avoid blast

on titan ex you cant leave a person in a goal for any extended period of time, and tanks cannot hide between bombs.

ifrit hm you can use a caster lb to break nails and on rushes you can stand between ifrits to avoid the rushes

ifrit ex you use a caster lb to break nails you die, and if you stand between ifrits on the rushes you die.

Well to hear people talk about it, you don't need alot of communication because doing T2 the "old fashion way" is easier and faster. Now, last night I was in a group and we fought ADS a few times. That statement should tell you enough but I will go on. We did the enrage method and still LOST. It is NOT a guaranteed victory as an exploit would be. If you say its a question of gear then yeah, over gearing for a t2 /shrug lol communication. You mean someone taking about 5 minutes to explain a fight? or maybe even pointing to a youtube?

This isn't directed at you, it's just a general observation.

Bad players will die even with an exploit. Exploits don't gaurantee wins, they simply allow bad players to do something they may not have been able to without it. Some people are just too bad to be helped, unfortunately.

Only thing is.. Enraged mode can be done with the standard party. When we first tried it our FC didn't have tanks that could swap to DPS or healers etc. We actually had to go the standard setup at first and downed it several times. Granted we had a well geared group and two warrior tanks was spitting out some nice dps numbers and had high hp. But it is doable with a standard setup. Honestly group setup is not much of an argument. It can be done. Its just no preferred Lol. But as soon as we got someone that could come a 3rd healer we definitely found 3 healers to be much easier. But now we just down it normally without enraged because waiting on ticks takes too long.

I said well geared not over geared. We had the best anyone could expect up through turn 1. DL a couple myth pieces and drops from turn 1 itself. Not full on the myth or anything of that sort. Obviously almost anything is doable if you are over geared for it, that wasnt my point at all and im more than sure that you understood that.

Your point was enraged method relied on 3 healers which is not the standard 8 man Yoshi and team design fights for. This is not correct. It is indeed doable with your standard 8 man of 2 tanks 2 healers 4 DDs

It doesn't matter to me one way or the other if they get rid of it or not. My FC can beat it both ways. Just seems silly that everyone feels they have to call it an exploit because people found an alternate way to do it that is supposedly "easier."

If you read my post I say that this is not a glitch.

People can form any party they want in BC and SE allows it. It is a different strategy not a glitch. Hell if you wanted to go through all healers you could, imagine that. Just because Se designed the fight with 2 healers and tanks in mind, they allow you to go in anyway you want for this dungeon and fight it anyway you want.

doing you mining from under ground is a glitch.

Edited, Jan 20th 2014 12:08pm by Nashred

You're giving FFXI's community waaay too much credit. They're not more savvy than any other, they just got fed up and collectively decided to tell Tanaka and his bullsh*t loot rules &*%^ off. If Yoshi-P's team decide to create droprates akin to Salvage 1.0, Ridill, Kraken Club, Adaberk's testi, etc. I can almost guarantee you they'd find a way to be quiet.

Let's be honest as for the most part the game seems to be set around 24 being the casual (but still fairly well done presentation) raids, with the 8 mans being for the harder difficulty. And in 8 mans you're going to be in a fairly tight-knit group of friends to have any realistic chance of finishing the entire raid. Will there be PUGs? Sure, but much like the Salvage 1.0 style PUGs they're not as cohesive nor are they as well informed.

I doubt such a situation will arise in FFXIV as the current team seems to have pretty good heads on their shoulders (re-using 1.0's old netcode aside....) and the worst we seem to have to deal with is pure RNG on drops (every MMO) and weekly lockouts (which need to go back to the drawing board for an all in one character system).



No, that is a hack. You have to willfully download a program (or create your own) that you purposely interact with in order to clip through terrain. If you actually fall through the world (haven't seen/heard too many cases because the terrain's still based off of 1.0's physic engine and that's like trying to push water through concrete) then you'd have returned or teleported out with common sense since you'd have fallen MUCH further than a few yalms below mining spots.

No, a glitch is something like putting dye on the i55 dungeon gear and noticing it's suddenly disappear on your character's visual (leaving you looking like a bad rendering project).

POS hacking is just that: hacking.



I don't know about you, but I'm never proud of a group of people that clearly don't have the communication skills for simple interrupts, stacking (it's a PUG), or watching debuff timers and have to resort to bruteforcing an enrage mechanic just to get a win. That's not something to be proud of: it's fairly sad.

There's a major difference between the above mentioned group and one that's appropriately geared for the encounter that's lost 1-2 DDs and still attempt to finish the fight while managing to heal through the enrage. The types of enrages that exist in T2 and T4 are there to show a group that's attempting to legitimately progress through the raid "You need to clean up your execution a bit more, but well done." if you can survive through it.

They're *NOT* there for people that clearly aren't all that capable and *NEED* the enrage methods to even get past the turn. You can be proud of them all you want. I pity them.

Edited, Jan 20th 2014 12:32pm by Viertel

And I pity you. I fail to understand why people get so worked up about this, yourself included. Take a step back for a moment and look at the situation. Who is it harming exactly if people choose to clear Turn 2 using enrage? If those people truly are unskilled and uncoordinated, they won't make it past T4 anyway, so don't argue that "oh well it allows for bad players to progress further in the game and ruins the quality of player, waaa". In fact, it's probably better for the game overall because the content becomes more accessible and allows people to be better geared. For the health of the game in the long term, it's a good thing. People who are against this method have an underlying elitist attitude of "I did it the hard way and everyone else has to do it that way too" or "everyone who can't do it my way is bad and therefore shouldn't be allowed to do so". It's not like having the enrage method of clearing T2 precludes you or anyone else from doing it the Rot way, so what's the big deal? You want to do it the more challenging way, then go ahead, but if the developers are allowing this strategy to stay in the game then who are you or anyone else to tell people that they're "pitiable" for choosing to use it?

^ People really are new to how SE works or simply want to believe something so obviously broken was intended. I stated it before and I'll say again, the only reason they "had no current plans to change it" was because they had other priorities and by time 2.2 starts rolling around they'll no doubt have changed it as we know 2,2 is the coil change.

Of course I was just being pessimistic or a 'hater' though, couldn't have been I've dealt with SE MMO's for over 10 years between 3 and 1 hosted one >.> It's pretty sad but people are getting extremely desperate and trying 4-5 healers.

At that point you're just making it clear T2 was likely too hard if this method was the only one to clear it now :\

Yep, sadly this wasn't exploiting an enemy weakness, it was exploiting ****** game mechanics. That's why there's a bit of 'disdain' for it these days when it comes to MMOs because quite honestly..people hate challenges nowadays no matter how much they say they want it because when something is slightly challenging, they'll simply say it's 'annoying' and 'terrible design' because they may wipe.

It's still viable but it's definitely been changed in prep for the 2.2 changes.

ftfy

Enrage can still be done the same way



Edited, Feb 20th 2014 2:14pm by nonameoflevi