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#1 Jan 06 2014 at 10:50 PM Rating: Default
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whats a bard role in a WP SR? from what ive seen alll they do is spam AOEs.... if thats the case wouldnt 2 blms kill faster than a brd and blm?
#2 Jan 06 2014 at 10:51 PM Rating: Good
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Probably ballad as well. WHMs burn through alot of MP spamming Holy and heals.
I don't really know, as I never did take part in WP speed runs.

Edited, Jan 6th 2014 9:53pm by Kirby
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#3 Jan 06 2014 at 11:36 PM Rating: Good
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Haven't done one post patch. Pre-patch, the normal setup was PLD WHM (or SCH) BLM BRD. Other setups can work and such...but you can go discuss that in another thread.

There isn't a way for the PLD to keep threat off the BLM's AoE rotation (much less the BRD's) without spamming flash. Since spamming flash costs MP, a BRD is nice to replenish mana while still being able to DPS. BRDs were also nice for high DPS (both AoE and single target) and they could amplify BLM/WHM/SCH damage with foe requiem.

I'd rather run Haukke Manor HM now than do WP. Pretty short and not terrible to heal or tank once you understand the boss mechanics.

Edited, Jan 7th 2014 12:37am by HitomeOfBismarck
#4 Jan 07 2014 at 2:23 AM Rating: Decent
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There isn't a way for the PLD to keep threat off the BLM's AoE rotation (much less the BRD's) without spamming flash. Since spamming flash costs MP, a BRD is nice to replenish mana while still being able to DPS. BRDs were also nice for high DPS (both AoE and single target) and they could amplify BLM/WHM/SCH damage with foe requiem.


Depends on the tank and the DPS really. If your tank was **** hot or the dps a little low you could get away with Requiem during burns and Ballad on the pulls. Pretty sure the fastest groups used this approach. There are a lot of PLD's who'd scream for ballad (even at the first group) without ever using riot blade, pretty annoying.

Requiem was just a far better result for whole group if it could be pulled off. Your magic DPS will be doing more damage, plus the bard doesn't get whacked with the 20% damage penalty.

#5 Jan 07 2014 at 2:32 AM Rating: Good
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
whats a bard role in a WP SR? from what ive seen alll they do is spam AOEs.... if thats the case wouldnt 2 blms kill faster than a brd and blm?


The point of the speed run is to get to the bosses ASAP, not kill everything.

There are points where you kill everything because you have no choice (like for lanterns), but before the first two doors, you Sleepga or Freeze the mobs and let them break aggro when the boss seal goes up.
#6 Jan 07 2014 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure that the BRD uses Foe Requiem when doing BRD & BLM speed runs...

They don't lose any DPS on that song like on ballad and other songs... and it increases BLM damage...

Edit: I could be wrong, I'm not a BRD and don't get invited into Speed Runs as a DRG.

Edited, Jan 7th 2014 9:57am by Hairspray
#7 Jan 07 2014 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
They certainly don't use ballad when I'm forced to SR it Smiley: bah

Then they ***** that I don't have MP when we have to wait for me to catch up.
#8 Jan 07 2014 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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Wint wrote:
They certainly don't use ballad when I'm forced to SR it Smiley: bah

Then they ***** that I don't have MP when we have to wait for me to catch up.


a good bard knows when to use his songs. they should be using both ballad and foe when appropriate.
#9 Jan 07 2014 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Wint wrote:
They certainly don't use ballad when I'm forced to SR it Smiley: bah

Then they ***** that I don't have MP when we have to wait for me to catch up.


Hey now, I sang you songs ;)
#10 Jan 07 2014 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
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They certainly don't use ballad when I'm forced to SR it Smiley: bah

Then they ***** that I don't have MP when we have to wait for me to catch up.


Yeah that's a bad BRD Wint. Should be at least getting Ballad on pulls so you can flash with impunity until you get to the camp.
#11 Jan 11 2014 at 4:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I generally play Paladin for speed runs, I go with my brother (WHM) and a 2 other FC members. Going with the FC guys means I have run it with a whole range of job and class combos. The fastest tends to be PLD WHM BRD BLM only due to mp ballad for my enmity generation, and the sheer volume of AOE involved (even WHM, who kicks *** on slimes etc).

Having said that, a speed run with PLD WHM DRG MNK can still be pretty damn fast if everyone is well geared and on form, we try to avoid cookie cutter ideal parties if we can because it willfully excludes certain members. Myth is so easy to cap since 2.1 landed, thanks to CT and roulettes, that the speed runs can afford to be a little slower if everyone is happy.
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