2.1, the patch that was overwhelming on paperFollow

It was swing-and-miss for most things. Housing was a disappointment, and the proposed 10% they're taking off isnt going to fix anything. There's one "small" house on my server, and that's basicly it. And small houses are basicly storage shacks, nothing more. My FC isnt going to be able to purchase a house anytime soon this year, and the urge of some people to just quit is growing by the day.

Most if not all of the changes to dungeons and jobs were ill-deserved and rediculous to both sides of the spectrum. AK should have never been gimped like this, instead of making it "easier" by removing two groups of 3 weak monsters, they made it take 2 minutes less for a fraction of the rewards, while other dungeons can be done in 8 minutes for the very same rewards. No one does AK anymore, which used to be my favorite dungeon before all this. And new drops and incentives could have been devised for the new dungeons instead of simply moving the things that used to drop in AK over there.

The warrior changes are still rediculous. Properly played, a Warrior could (pre-2.1) solo-tank some of the bosses in the Coil even. Now they got every single little thing a PLD can do, as well as have 25% more HP and most of them still complain they cant do anything (because those are the very same people who couldnt play Warrior well to begin with and caused these changes). To anyone who can play the job properly, Warriors are now gods and Paladins can forget about ever getting a party anymore :/

PVP in my opinion is, and has always been, about finding the thing people can exploit most to win, in this example, jumping around, black mage sleeping and using pre-made 3-man groups in excellent PVP gear to infiltrate the "newbie league" instead of being matched up against other pre-made groups if they would have taken 4 people.

They keep that up till it becomes bannable or is fixed, and then move on to find the next best thing they can exploit untill starting over once again.

I dont feel it has ever had a "fair" aspect to it in any game. In WoW for instance, level 80's used to camp right outside Booty Bay (some level 25-ish area or so) back when i played it and made sure you couldnt get any exp or do anything basicly since they loved fighting people who couldnt possible put up a fair fight back.

Any game turns what should basicly have been fun, relaxing and a place for people to just ***** around a little in absurb set-ups that wouldnt work in everday gameplay, into pure PRO-LEAGUE Hardcore PVP where people only fight the battles they know they can win.

I've said it before, and i'll say it many times, PVP doesnt have a place in a Final Fantasy game. It's not worth turning what is basicly a great game with a lot of potential into an Elitist ********* even though it's already going in that general direction.

The few good things about 2.1 were Treasure Hunting (despite it's rediculous restrictions), Two Hard-Mode Dungeons and Crystal Tower is kinda enjoyable if you dont get any Elitist asshats among your other 23 participants (good luck with that).

3 hours after the 2.1 patch went online I tried PvP and when we lost was told I sucked as a black mage because I didnt have the entire other party asleep at the beginning of the match. That was my first match. PvP just seems to attract the worst kind of players.

To me I was kinda excited, for things like new dungeons, and Crystal tower, but I was very dissapointed. Was never really interested in PvP, as its always just a pain, full of asshats, and elitests.

Hard mode dungeons, some minor changes to the old dungeons, and no real rewards other than gearing for vanity. Now that getting Philo tomes is super easy you can gear a class in DL in less than a week so it serves no point to me. Crystal Tower is just one big zerg fest, and if you have atleast 2-3 cappable tanks and some decent healers its hard to wipe really. The whole lockout is a giant pain in the ***.

Extreme mode Primals are just the next level for elitests to sell.

Treasuer hunt is just a mini game with a super long lockout for what little it actually offers.

The whole dodge or die mechanics of bosses are tiresome, and getting old. I really had hopes for 2.1 but its just getting to stale really fast.

Housing with the prices are just a joke, that only the super rich or super large FC can afford, my FC is 20% to getting the smallest one when it becomes the cheapest in a few months. Sorry but thats a bad joke on SEs part.

Edited, Dec 30th 2013 8:41am by huhwhat

Housing is a system in its infancy, most akin to how we once had empty hamlets in the days of 1.0 that were eventually made to be a little more lively. I was a bit disappointed at the pricing myself. I mean I knew it was going to be high, but nothing prepared me for the final figures that were released for the Legacy servers. I see housing now as a goal to strive towards with a Free Company (FC) you feel comfortable with and trust. There are many that are out there where this will never happen, but some do exist that are genuine. The fact that some FC's have already been able to afford some of the prices shows there is a lot of gil not being spent and housing has provided an outlet to get some of that gil out of circulation. From my experience it has also helped to bring some players together and focus them more. Even with my limited playtime I'm finding myself logging on more to help out my FC as much as I can.

I personally do not have a lot of experience with PVP. My first run was a lvl 30 cap that wasn't the most pleasant of experiences. The overall shortness of each match seemed jarring. Again though I see the PVP system as one where the foundation has been placed, but refinements are definitely needed. Such as balancing issues, extra play modes, etc. to suit a greater variety of play styles. I would love to see additional arenas and a "Capture the Flag" type mode.

While 2.1 was overwhelming I'm still sifting through most of the content and have been enjoying every minute of it!

I cared little about housing when I first heard about it and care even less now that I've seen it. It's a feature that people wanted so I commend SE for adding it to the game, but the implementation fell pretty flat. Incredibly lofty goal for most players, yet there is almost no benefit to it. Looks great, serves no purpose at all.



SE actually gets a pass from me on the PvP issues. I don't think PvP really had any reason to be in the game other than enough people voicing that they wanted it implemented and SE deciding that it would be in their best interest to add it. It was clearly an afterthought when you look at the mechanics(spell and ability usage, damage and cc properties, arena layout, ect.). This is only complicated by the fact that player's hurtboxes are almost non-existent and server checks for player positioning have a sort of 'close enough counts' feel.


I was excited for the treasure hunts because it seemed like one of the few features that bring the adventuring RPG feel to the game, but I wasn't a fan of the lockouts. God forbid you should be able to make a little money doing something you might actually enjoy

It isn't so much the waiting as it seems to be an inconsistency in MP replenishment. Sometimes I can go into UI, do B1, T3, and then back to Fire spells no problem. Other times I get caught around 2600 MP for no discernible reason despite doing the same thing. This was never a problem pre-patch.

As for gil flooding the economy if maps were spammable, well, that's when you cut down their gold pay out or remove it entirely. I'd much rather see more interesting craft mats and subsequent recipes to utilize them coming from this than just gil. Get semi-decent stuff circulating via the AH again and Yoshi can have a moderate gil sink out of it.

{Please look forward to it!}

supposedly coming in 2.2 iirc

Great idea!

Hard to keep track of perhaps. The maps should show up in the "TIMERS" menu, along with thing like CT drop lockout, Myth Stone cap Reset, Coil reset, daily beastman tribe quest reset. Well, maybe a crazy idea but anything with a lockout associated should show up under TIMERS.

As far as the OP, I've been busy, busy, busy since the new patch and haven't done even half of what I plan to do!

Ah, I c where you are going. I still FIII > F1 > F1 > F1 > F1 > BIII > wait a second, mp goes up to about 2700 > FIII > F1 > F1 > F1 > BIII repeat.

I am not so concerned about TIII or throwing a B1 in between to have full mana. I am just ticked that I have to wait a few ticks (no pun intended).

Most of you seem to be forgetting how amazing the new sort feature is.

...I'm still at a loss as to why we can't toggle our quests for the duty list. Seemed to work perfect through phase 3. I'm still expecting for this to come back at some point. /crossfingers

You're being sarcastic. I hope... This pleases me.

Overall, I like 2.1. Not everything is perfect but there is enough there to keep me wanting to play.

CT is great. I actually have something to do when I log on even if it's just glorified philosophy tome grinding. What is different than, say, WP grinding is that people actually talk in CT. Yes, sometimes people are just rude, but most of the time it's people working together to achieve something. This is what this MMO needed. It reminds me so much of Throne of Thunder.

I was not a big fan of the lockout on loot in CT but after spending some time with it, I think it's fair. I know that I can run CT all week and aim for one piece of gear that I'm almost guaranteed opposed to something like coil where I have no idea what I will get and have to spend mythology carefully as a result. Since I haven't seen a pair of pants in about 3+ months of coil, I ran CT this week specifically aiming for the pants to fill in till they either drop from coil or I buy the mythology ones.

I was able to pick up healing gear for my SCH too. And, with the ample amount of philosophy I gain, I made several pieces of gear for SCH at dirt cheap costs.

Housing prices were disappointing, yes. If I were on a legacy server, I'd go crazy. I'm glad they made it so that the prices will reduce down to what the highest priced non-legacy servers are, though. However, my FC is coming together to try to buy a medium house. It's a very nice thing to have to work towards. It isn't related to my gear at all: it's something for all of us. I love all the housing areas and can't wait till people start moving in to the plots. I love talking to other FCs that I speak with frequently about where they plan to move. I found out that one of the FCs I like a lot is going to be our next door neighbors!

I dislike PVP quite a bit. This comes from someone who enjoyed ballista so much and PVP'd in WoW almost exclusively. Perhaps it's due to the class I main or perhaps due to the gearing issue...but it just isn't fun. I hate the fact that I am interrupted by something like a pet when I go to cast. I HATE the fact that people can run circles around me where I can't get casts off, forcing swiftcast or use of specific camera settings.

The new HM dungeons are wonderful. I love the music in Haukke Manor so much. I like how it is incorporated into the battle music, too. Pharos Sirius was a very fun challenge but the music died 2 minutes in which was really displeasing.

On that note, duty roulette freaking rocks and the commendation system has made parties more talkative. Some may say it has changed attitudes but I still say there are plenty of people who will always remain jerks, regardless:

http://i.imgur.com/vuBO32K.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NvsIQid.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yXYTe5l.jpg



The extreme primals are super fun as is Ultima. I like these challenging aspects but I am sad to see posts on the official forums (aka: crazy town) about how Titan is not fun or how Ultima touched them in an inappropriate area with his defractive laser. It's like people don't understand what the word extreme entails. I've successfully PUGed Ultima and Garuda. I suspect people will be able to do Titan through DF or PF very soon. Ifrit is a joke in comparison to Titan.

The story added was OK. I am not a big fan of the story thus far and feel like it was rushed...but the battle they added (King Moggle Mog) is very fun! I do like the cliffhanger they end on.

Treasure hunting seems OK as well. I have no DoL job at 50 so I cannot mine 4 maps but have gone on a few treasure hunts with friends.

I have mixed feelings about nerfs to FATEs. I'm finding it very difficult to level WHM now. Almost all FATE zones I try to go to are dead leaving me to level through duty roulette or dungeons. I don't find dungeons give enough exp to warrant the time, however, especially when I'm stuck in Copperbell for the 7th time. However, I like the fact that they've made leveling slower. I felt like I could get a class to 50 every week and that is pretty much what I was doing. Now, the pace is set slower and people will have more to do. Nerfing FATEs into obsoletion, though, was just plain stupid.

And yes: I find the sort feature to be one of the more awesome things added in this patch.