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#1 Dec 28 2013 at 10:41 AM Rating: Default
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Greetings,

I am really enjoying DR, but is there any way to join it as a 2 person party or must it be done solo?
Basically, is it possible for my wife and I to run the same instance of DR with two other random people?

Thanks in advance!
#2 Dec 28 2013 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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unless they have changed it, the DR will not let you join as a party at all, about the only thing you can do is both join the DR and hope you end up in the same duty.
#3 Dec 28 2013 at 11:22 AM Rating: Default
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Thanks!
I really hope they change that.

Edited, Dec 28th 2013 12:23pm by ashley420
#4 Dec 28 2013 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Duty Roulette and the following rewards are kinda meant to help other people out who are struggling to find members for (rarely done) dungeons. It takes you and matches you up with other people who need them.

Doing Duty Roulette in a group pretty much nullifies the purpose. It cant piece you together with others who are struggling for members easily, nor would there be a point to it if you took 2-4 people into it already.

Closest thing you can do is form a group and throw a dice (or duty up for several dungeons) and see where it brings you. But you were probably asking because of the rewards. So no.

And no offense, but i'd hate to see what is basicly a "help tool" with rewards be turned into something people do in full groups just to do for the rewards, but just with not knowing where it throws them :/

Edited, Dec 28th 2013 6:54pm by KojiroSoma
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#5 Dec 29 2013 at 1:28 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for responding!
I'm not sure I follow why this idea would nullify the purpose of DR. I'm failing to see why there "wouldn't be a point" if I as a tank and my wife as a healer signed up for DR together. Seems pretty obvious this benefits everyone.
If it is possible that we could sign up for DR separately and run a dungeon together, what would the downside be of doing it intentionally?

I get the point of not wanting to take the spot of someone who needs a win to proceed in the story line or what have you. But how often do you run into 2 party members who need a win on a run? Most of us doing them are there for the bonus and not doing it for the first time.
I feel a party of 2, arguably 3 but never 4 obviously, should be able to sign up for DR together and let the system match the remaining player(s) to them.
Hell, I would even welcome being able to jump into parties in progress.

I agree this is a great help tool, I simply think this should be explored to make it a better help tool and letting friends play together intentionally instead of randomly is more fun.

Thanks and I look forward to your feedback.
#6 Dec 29 2013 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I understand your point, but your suggestion nullifies the intent of DR because the more groups that you have going into DR, the less spots you have for new people. If all 4 random people are doing it for the bonus, then nothing is lost.

Don't get me wrong. I like your idea, because I want to practice tanking before joining a group. At the same time, I would rather not ***** anyone else.
#7 Dec 29 2013 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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ashley420 wrote:
Thanks for responding!
I'm not sure I follow why this idea would nullify the purpose of DR. I'm failing to see why there "wouldn't be a point" if I as a tank and my wife as a healer signed up for DR together. Seems pretty obvious this benefits everyone.

It benefits everyone? It doesn't benefit the healer that's out there seeking and can't get in because they don't have a tank.
#8 Dec 29 2013 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/124056-Letter-from-the-Producer-LIVE-Part-X-Q-A-Summary-%2812-02-2013%29

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Q: Will you be able to use the Duty Roulette when forming a party with 2 or 3 members?
A: We’ll be improving the Duty Finder extensively for 2.1, but I’m afraid the ability to participate in parties will take until 2.2.

You'll see it in 2.2
#9 Dec 30 2013 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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"It benefits everyone? It doesn't benefit the healer that's out there seeking and can't get in because they don't have a tank."



I've never really had an issue of a long wait with duty roulette, especially as a healer.

Say you have Tank A, Healer A, and healer B
Just because you say Tank A and Healer A can't party together doesn't ensure healer B will take the slot. It is still entirely possible for Tank A and Healer A to party together through luck. Healer B is still without a party.
Now let's say Tank A and Healer B get grouped instead of Tank A and Healer A, Tank A can simply quit the event and restart it hoping to party with Healer A.

I don't see how anyone benefits from this scenario.



When is 2.2 supposed to be released?

Edited, Dec 30th 2013 10:57am by ashley420
#10 Dec 30 2013 at 9:56 PM Rating: Default
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DR was not created to help people new players through low dungeons, it was created to keep people playing by giving them something to do. End game is a grind, DR adds some variety. When they make it group friendly, it's not going to kill the noobs' chances of getting through their missions. It's not going to kill the 50 dps tome farming either.
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svlyons wrote:
ashley420 wrote:
Thanks for responding!
I'm not sure I follow why this idea would nullify the purpose of DR. I'm failing to see why there "wouldn't be a point" if I as a tank and my wife as a healer signed up for DR together. Seems pretty obvious this benefits everyone.

It benefits everyone? It doesn't benefit the healer that's out there seeking and can't get in because they don't have a tank.


I hope you were being sarcastic... tanks and healers are insta-queue 99.9% of the time. So if it missed that specific healer, the healer would just pair with the next tank, or pair of dd's, or tank AND DD for whatever dungeon was needed. It would still work effectively with groups of 2 or 3.
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#12 Dec 31 2013 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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BartelX wrote:
svlyons wrote:
ashley420 wrote:
Thanks for responding!
I'm not sure I follow why this idea would nullify the purpose of DR. I'm failing to see why there "wouldn't be a point" if I as a tank and my wife as a healer signed up for DR together. Seems pretty obvious this benefits everyone.

It benefits everyone? It doesn't benefit the healer that's out there seeking and can't get in because they don't have a tank.


I hope you were being sarcastic... tanks and healers are insta-queue 99.9% of the time. So if it missed that specific healer, the healer would just pair with the next tank, or pair of dd's, or tank AND DD for whatever dungeon was needed. It would still work effectively with groups of 2 or 3.

Tanks might be. Healer's aren't necessarily that way. I've had to wait around while queued up with a friend who was a healer because we were waiting on a tank.

And if you're going to make up a statistic, might as well add some more 9's to the end of that. Why not go for 99.9999% of the time? That would sound more impressive.
#13 Dec 31 2013 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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Ashely240 wrote:

I don't see how anyone benefits from this scenario. When is 2.2 supposed to be released?


I did my first DF (not random) seeking as a party and I wasn't able to give any recommendations. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar was introduced in the patch. No matter what solution that you provide, it will not prevent someone from potentially getting screwed over.

stouter wrote:
DR was not created to help people new players through low dungeons, it was created to keep people playing by giving them something to do. End game is a grind, DR adds some variety. When they make it group friendly, it's not going to kill the noobs' chances of getting through their missions. It's not going to kill the 50 dps tome farming either.


If that were the case, the simple bump in xp would have done the trick. This was obviously done to assist new players. Once people finish quests, it becomes difficult to find help for new players. That becomes a major turn off for new potential players which equals less money. There is no other way to see this.

#14 Dec 31 2013 at 9:15 PM Rating: Default
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"I did my first DF (not random) seeking as a party and I wasn't able to give any recommendations. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar was introduced in the patch. No matter what solution that you provide, it will not prevent someone from potentially getting screwed over. "



I think that's my point, someone is going to get screwed. I don't think everyone should be.
#15 Jan 01 2014 at 12:05 AM Rating: Decent
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ashley420 wrote:
"I did my first DF (not random) seeking as a party and I wasn't able to give any recommendations. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar was introduced in the patch. No matter what solution that you provide, it will not prevent someone from potentially getting screwed over. "



I think that's my point, someone is going to get screwed. I don't think everyone should be.


Everyone isn't being screwed though, there's just no solution to prevent anyone from ever being screwed over. Given the fact that this was geared towards new players, the solution that screws over the new players the least amount should be selected. New players are less likely to be in a group seeking DF. They are more likely to be the ones seeking individually, while the more veteran players will be seeking in groups.
#16 Jan 01 2014 at 9:53 AM Rating: Default
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I think the people being screwed are friends, family, and linkshell members wanting to party together imo.



I joined this game at the same time as friends and my wife. New players seek in groups and veterans solo too.


This has been a great thread with intelligent discussion. Well done everyone and keep it up.


Edit:
Also anyone have an idea when 2.2 drops?

Edited, Jan 1st 2014 11:01am by ashley420
#17 Jan 01 2014 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
I think it's a bit of both. Yes, it gives the end gamers something to do. That something just also happens to benefit the low level population as well. I get placed almost instantly as a healer into the low level dungeons. Those groups might have waited for thirty minutes or an hour for a healer to come along manually.

Edit: Auto correct T_T

Edited, Jan 1st 2014 6:21pm by Catwho
#18 Jan 01 2014 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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Ya know you can roulette with a pre made of 1-3 you just won't get the bonus. Just select all the dungeons you can and hit join.
#19 Jan 01 2014 at 3:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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ashley420 wrote:
I think the people being screwed are friends, family, and linkshell members wanting to party together imo.

No one is being "screwed" because the duty roulette bonuses are a bonus, not an entitlement. If you want to experience a randomly chosen dungeon with people you know, just randomly choose one using external methods.
#20 Jan 01 2014 at 9:20 PM Rating: Decent
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ashley420 wrote:
I think the people being screwed are friends, family, and linkshell members wanting to party together imo.



I joined this game at the same time as friends and my wife. New players seek in groups and veterans solo too.


This has been a great thread with intelligent discussion. Well done everyone and keep it up.


Edit:
Also anyone have an idea when 2.2 drops?

Edited, Jan 1st 2014 11:01am by ashley420


If you have friends, family and a linkshell then you shouldn't have a problem getting a dungeon done. It's the people who start off with no help who have the most problems.

catwho wrote:
I think it's a bit of both. Yes, it gives the end gamers something to do. That something just also happens to benefit the low level population as well. I get placed almost instantly as a healer into the low level dungeons.


I'm confident that it's geared toward low levels which just so happens to give other players something to do.
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