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#1 Dec 23 2013 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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So with the advent of housing and the statement that players can reach 20k a week, I thought I would break it down for a few people.


1) Leves, you gain 6 a day, and can get up to 500 (avg) a leve. = 21k, and thats just battle craft
2) DFR + Needed class bonus: You can make about 10k a day just doing the 4 DFR missions and being a needed class = 70k a week
3) treasure hunt - can make 1-5k a day, but nothing spectacular. If you + 7 friends all get a high tier map and all go killing it. I will just say 7k a week


Now that is direct profit. Subtract out teleports and repairs, and your at about 100k - 3k = 97k.

Now assume you used a full set of i49 jewlery for everything, chances are you now have 7 sets of materia, with about 10% of them being t4 (4/35), and the rest being t3. If you did crafter jewlery, you will probably make more profit than battle craft, but hinder your average group so its a toss up.

All things considered, i see it as very possible to make 100-200k a week just playing casually (6 leves and 4 df dungeons a day with a set of i49 jewlery). I am sure if you wanted to you could easily top 600k a week as a tank grinding df as a needed class for the additional gil bonus.
#3 Dec 23 2013 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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6 leves and 4 df dungeons a day with a set of i49 jewlery


That's like 3.5 hours of playtime per day... that's not casual.
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#4 Dec 23 2013 at 11:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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dustinfoley wrote:
1) Leves, you gain 6 a day, and can get up to 500 (avg) a leve. = 21k, and thats just battle craft
2) DFR + Needed class bonus: You can make about 10k a day just doing the 4 DFR missions and being a needed class = 70k a week

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All things considered, i see it as very possible to make 100-200k a week just playing casually (6 leves and 4 df dungeons a day with a set of i49 jewlery).

The problem with this analysis is that casual play isn't just about having limited time. People who play casually typically don't want their play time being dictated by the game. It would be one thing if a casual player enjoyed doing leves or random dungeons. But if you don't really enjoy battlecraft leves or certain roulette categories, then trying to do these activities is a chore. And casual players are less likely than other players to spend their time doing chores.
#5 Dec 23 2013 at 11:53 AM Rating: Default
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Well here is the issue, its not only how you define casual but what the goals of the casual are.

If the casual wants to make money, leves alone will net 20k a week and take about 10 minutes to knock out 6. That seems pretty casual.

This was just a break down of gil and where it comes from. If a casual doesnt want to make money they dont have to do any of this, but if they want to make some money, say for a FC house, this is just a break down of the biggest bang for your buck time wise when it comes to ways to make gil.

I play 1-2 hrs a night and thats not every night, and I still managed to make 200k last week doing the above.
#6 Dec 23 2013 at 11:56 AM Rating: Default
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as far as 4 df dungeons being 3.5 hrs, it all depends on what you get.

Good party, lucky dungeons, it may only be 1-2 hrs time. Thats completely casual.

Now if you get 4 bad parties, and the worst selection of dungeons, then yeah, you might be doing just 1 dungeon in that 1.5 hrs. Its all random,
#7 Dec 23 2013 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos wrote:
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6 leves and 4 df dungeons a day with a set of i49 jewlery


That's like 3.5 hours of playtime per day... that's not casual.


Beat me to it. That's far far from casual. It would take my entire available playtime just to organize and figure out which to do for this...
#8 Dec 23 2013 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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svlyons wrote:
dustinfoley wrote:
1) Leves, you gain 6 a day, and can get up to 500 (avg) a leve. = 21k, and thats just battle craft
2) DFR + Needed class bonus: You can make about 10k a day just doing the 4 DFR missions and being a needed class = 70k a week

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All things considered, i see it as very possible to make 100-200k a week just playing casually (6 leves and 4 df dungeons a day with a set of i49 jewlery).

The problem with this analysis is that casual play isn't just about having limited time. People who play casually typically don't want their play time being dictated by the game. It would be one thing if a casual player enjoyed doing leves or random dungeons. But if you don't really enjoy battlecraft leves or certain roulette categories, then trying to do these activities is a chore. And casual players are less likely than other players to spend their time doing chores.

THIS ^^

I would rather play with my friends rather than having to solo Duty Roulette every day to make money for housing
#9 Dec 23 2013 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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dustinfoley wrote:
as far as 4 df dungeons being 3.5 hrs, it all depends on what you get.

Good party, lucky dungeons, it may only be 1-2 hrs time. Thats completely casual.

Now if you get 4 bad parties, and the worst selection of dungeons, then yeah, you might be doing just 1 dungeon in that 1.5 hrs. Its all random,



You're not getting it.

Being casual doesn't mean I can just run dungeons until I'm out of time, it means I can't run A SINGLE dungeon UNLESS it's going to take less time than my casual time allowance provides that session, and that very often needs to be guaranteed. I may have a 1-2 hours window but I don't necessarily know if it's 1 or 2 hours so if the dungeon might take 1.5 hours I can't run it just in case I have to ditch at the 1 hour mark because baby decided his 2 hour nap was 1 hour today, for example.
#10 Dec 23 2013 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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dustinfoley wrote:
If the casual wants to make money, leves alone will net 20k a week and take about 10 minutes to knock out 6. That seems pretty casual.

A 10-minute chore is still a chore. And that's a daily chore. 70 minutes a week to make 20k gil? Depending on just how casual a casual player is on the casual-player-spectrum, they may simply choose to live without that 20k gil a week.
#11 Dec 23 2013 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Thayos wrote:
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6 leves and 4 df dungeons a day with a set of i49 jewlery


That's like 3.5 hours of playtime per day... that's not casual.


3.5 hours if you are on a needed job, but more like 8 hours if you wait for Df to grab your DPS job...
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#12 Dec 23 2013 at 12:57 PM Rating: Default
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Well again loui you didn't read.

My post was for people on needed jobs.
#13 Dec 23 2013 at 1:06 PM Rating: Default
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The big issue is what defines a casual.

I call myself casual, i get 1 hour of garunteed play time at most, and 2 hours on a lucky day if I wake up early on a weekend. If making money was my goal, there are plenty of options to make 20-100k a week, and if you want to view 10 minutes a day as a chore, that is your choice.

Most casual people still have jobs that need exp, so doing 10minutes of leves for 90k exp and 3k gil a day doesnt really seem like a chore to me. That seems like good time/money/exp ratio.

Now if you want to veer off into candy land casual players, who average 10-15 minutes a night 2-3 times a week, thats probably below what most consider even casual. If you just want to log on and chat, and enjoy a nice looking house go for it.

I am not in a dedicated FC, I dont raid (bc or CT) because i dont have time for them. I hop on, do a HL DFR, then a WP run a night, and once I cap mytho (again a chore...i choose to do to make my character better on my limited play time) then at the end of the week if I have caped mytho and free play time I will level my 3 remaining alts.

Its all about min/maxing your time and goals, and just how casual you want to call casual.

I personally go like this;

Candy land/face book gamers - 10-15 min 2-3 days a week

Super casuals - <1 hr a day, 3-4 days a week

Casual - 1 hr a day 4-5 days a week

Regular 1 hr+ a day 5+ days a week

Hardcore 1 hr + a day, but usually only 1-2 days a week since they will cap everything by then so no need to play the remaining 5 days honestly

Thing is there is no set definition of a casual player. Someone who plays 4-5 hours a day could be considered casual if they are slow grinding, only playing with friends, taking their time leveling, not worrying about gil, etc.

Casual doesnt just mean 'only 1 hr max at a time' it means w/e it means to you.
#14 Dec 23 2013 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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dustinfoley wrote:
Well again loui you didn't read.

My post was for people on needed jobs.

maybe put that in the title, your title says Gil and 2.1, which would indicate it might apply to all players looking to get gil in 2.1 :p

dustinfoley wrote:
Casual - 1 hr a day 4-5 days a week

from your original post idk how you get casuals can make 100-200k a week with that playtime.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2013 2:11pm by Skaditoo
#15 Dec 23 2013 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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If you want to make easy gil, craft and sell hot selling HQ gear. Spend 15 minutes in the morning adjusting prices and putting up anything that sold overnight. In the evening do the same and spend an hour restocking every other night. Done. Buy up mats when they're cheap. Check mat prices while checking retainers. It's easy. I haven't had much time to play FFXIV this month but I'm still pulling in 800k per week.
#16 Dec 23 2013 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't really see play time as defining casual vs hardcore. I had a friend in WoW who played +5 hours a day, but he didn't even have one max level character, cause he would get so side tracked leveling alts, doing different professions, messing around in PvP, on top of other things, he just never really got anything accomplished. He probably only set foot in a true raid probably once in his whole life.

To me, a casual player is someone who logs on, and just does what ever they enjoy doing. Crafting, running a dungeon, maybe a little pvp or whatever.

Hardcore to me is someone who finds a static group of players, logs on everyday, and really only does their daily "chores". As in runs their DFR, does their daily quests, clears CT/BC once a week, and otherwise just works on maxing out everything else in the game. And they do this every week, like a job.

To each his own though, I only really get to play casually, and it works for me cause I still have fun. But part of me wishes I had the time/determination to be a hardcore player.

#17 Dec 23 2013 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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I don't understand the math here. I made 20k in 3hrs last night doing DFR, Treasure Hunts, Selling items from the treasure hunt. Sorry for not really adding to this but there is a lot more money to be made in a short amount of time.
#18 Dec 23 2013 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
20K a week isn't a problem.

Yoshi P was claiming people could make 20K/day, which is a lot more difficult.
#19 Dec 23 2013 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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dustinfoley wrote:
If making money was my goal, there are plenty of options to make 20-100k a week, and if you want to view 10 minutes a day as a chore, that is your choice.

If making money is your goal, then you may not necessarily view it as a chore. You may find it challenging to figure out the most efficient way to spend your time each day making gil.

But if making money isn't your goal, and you don't particularly enjoy the levequests or some of the random duties, then it's definitely a chore. People don't choose to enjoy or choose not to enjoy an activity. If you don't find scrubbing toilets to be an enjoyable activity, it's not because you're making a conscious choice to not enjoy scrubbing toilets.
#20 Dec 23 2013 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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Skaditoo wrote:
dustinfoley wrote:
Well again loui you didn't read.

My post was for people on needed jobs.

maybe put that in the title, your title says Gil and 2.1, which would indicate it might apply to all players looking to get gil in 2.1 :p

dustinfoley wrote:
Casual - 1 hr a day 4-5 days a week

from your original post idk how you get casuals can make 100-200k a week with that playtime.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2013 2:11pm by Skaditoo


As a casual self proclaimed casual - 2-3 hours a day typically... I can say that it's not easy to get that many dungeons as a Dragoon anyways... I can't join a Speed Run, and I can't do DF that quickly... so I'm stuck with whatever I can get... I'm lucky if I cap Myth lol.
#21 Dec 23 2013 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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20K a week isn't a problem.

Yoshi P was claiming people could make 20K/day, which is a lot more difficult.


I make 10k from the two runs on Roulette each day. Then I buy a stack of 10-20 food for CT/Coil/Primal runs and I'm right back where I started.

Not exactly a casual player and by far the brokest player I know. Haven't gotten above 50k since the patch, playing every day, for a long-*** time.

Ultima runs net nothing. CT = nothing. Coil = Nothing. Actual negative gil due to food costs.

So you can make 20k a day as long as you are not running the new content. Or buying food. Or gear.
#22 Dec 23 2013 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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TauuOfSiren wrote:
If you want to make easy gil, craft and sell hot selling HQ gear. Spend 15 minutes in the morning adjusting prices and putting up anything that sold overnight. In the evening do the same and spend an hour restocking every other night. Done. Buy up mats when they're cheap. Check mat prices while checking retainers. It's easy. I haven't had much time to play FFXIV this month but I'm still pulling in 800k per week.


That's only possible for you (and me as well) because only a few people are doing it.

If everyone did the same thing it would no longer be profitable. The market in its current condition can not handle a vast influx of new sellers.
#23 Dec 24 2013 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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I don't get it. I make ~ 20K a night doing roulette + dailies if not more. Every time I make 30k I bank 20k on my retainer. Before I logged off, I had 50K and don't even know where I got it!
#25 Dec 26 2013 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you can only play for 1 hour a day, why in the world are you worried about housing to begin with?


Housing is the kind of casual thing that players who only have an hour a day can enjoy. It's more meant for casual players than hardcore players, really... but because of prices, you need to be hardcore to get it.

Case in point... I don't know of many truly casual players who are upset that all you can do with housing right now is just put furniture in it, as there really are no statistic benefits from having a FC house. Casual players, on the other hand, just want a place to socialize/afk/logout in.
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