Yoshi-P responds in the Housing Open Letter threadFollow

This might be an overly simplistic way of looking at it; but this is how --

More players do what you did -> market gets flooded -> supply severely outpaces demand -> prices plummet as undercutting runs rampant.

It's incredibly easy to understand. A vast majority of players will fall into the following buckets:

* Don't care about amassing in-game money
* Don't find the money grind fun and thus don't partake

Players with over a million gil are in the minority. I regularly play with people who have a hard time breaking 100k. I personally have never made it to a million and I don't really care.

On top of all that, as has been said here before, if everyone did what you did the economy would crash with rampant oversupply and no-one would have that kind of gil.

In the end, this is still a game, and players should not be punished or ridiculed if they find some aspects fun and some not.

If people are upgrading their characters such as leveling and outfitting gear, than gil is easily spent and it is hard to save. When I was leveling my DoH classes, the most gil I would have is around 200K. Now that I'm not leveling anymore and just focusing on selling items, I've managed to save a few million so far.

Yoshi was right about housing prices; he mentioned the price the same as leveling a character from 0-50 multiplied by 3. Majority of people agree that is about 1 million. Now key thing to remember is that this is an FC House which requires teamwork to purchase, so if each FC member donates that amount, it should be more than enough. The pricing is not for individual house pricing which most people think when they see the price. I know I still think that sometimes.

People have different opinions about the size of FCs because there is no clear definition. Yeah you can say your FC of 20 is small and the next person that says his/hers FC with 50 is medium and 100 is large etc. The max personal an FC can hold is 512 so using the full capacity of an FC, I believe any FC that has under 100 people is a "small" FC. Under 300 is a "medium" and anything over is "large." These numbers of course are not absolute, it just puts into perspective why the pricing schemes were set. If everyone is a team-player for housing, raising enough funds should not be an issue at all.

My FC is about 100, yeah it's be gonna packed like a 'can of sardines' to fit 100 people into a small house (if thats what we're purchasing) especially during a meeting or event, but in normal gameplay I've noticed the max members on at one time is around 30 -thats being generous. Most of the time, there are only around 10-15 members on with only 3-5 chatting. Anyway, it is unlikely all FC members on at a time will be "hanging out" in a house that currently serves no purpose other than a status symbol.

/ac "Flame Suit" <me>
/wait 2.0



Edited, Dec 18th 2013 5:55pm by ASpaceman

If I understand correctly, Yoshi indicated that it would cost around 3 times the gil you get from levelling 1-50 from a few characters, not the whole FC.

1 million from each member is gonna be difficult to achieve for most FCs.

So this is what I understood from his Yosh's statement: He stated that housing would cost a million to buy. Because this is FC Housing, it is averaged to be 1 million per person. His words were "the cost of leveling a character from 0-50 multiplied by 3." This is why FC housing is so expensive.

If this was personal housing, I have a strong feeling it will be priced at around 1 million for the smallest house and up to whatever they feel the largest should cost based on each server's economy.

But that my point its the big if (if they had that kind of money) Very few people even made a million in the game especially enough to donate a million. People will not donate a million unless they have more than that... I certainly have not made that and I play a little more than the average player. The average player does not have a million so finding 25 that can donate more than a million to buy a large house..

If I had it I would donate it too and I am sure others would too in our FC .. I have no doubt people will donate, I just dont see a FC of 20 people being able to buy a large house unless they have no lives and play 24 hours a day and it would require all of them and I still dont..

But it is like you said.. IF




Edited, Dec 19th 2013 11:31am by Nashred

The economy is actually kind of miserable since the patch. I had sold exactly three out of forty things on my retainers when I checked yesterday. And it wasn't undercutting on all of them - some of them simply hadn't sold at my listing price, despite it being the lowest, because no one was buying the items (when previously they've done brisk action and sold multiples times a day.)

Hopefully things will pick up steam on the sell-side once people are stuck in lockout timers for CT and return to regular gameplay.

The only thing I've sold since the patch is crystals. That's it. Not one other item I have listed has moved. Even the mid-level hq market has considerably dried up since far more players are hoarding gil for their FC. Oh, and for 2 straight days now I've done all 4 duty roulettes and all the beastman quests. After factoring tele fees, food, and repairs, I made less than 15k per day for several hours of work. Each dungeon gives about 4k, and each daily gives 600ish. The teleports to grid and uldah are roughly 1k total. Food is about 4k for 4 dungeons. Repairs are about 1.5k after 4 dungeons. They honestly didn't factor in ANY of the costs you'd incur into that "you'll make 20k a day easily!" statement. Very frustrating.

Edited, Dec 19th 2013 12:39pm by BartelX

Bartel, want you to know that I'm not being a douche and trying to call you out, but I wanted to point something out.

You are not the only person with your perspective on how to make gil. Plenty of people don't want to spirit-bond gear or sell tome mats because they want gear for themselves. That's great and it is a game that allows you to do that. However, if as a player you are going to actively avoid 2 of the top money-making activities in the game atm can you really complain about the price of housing, regardless of the price?

EDIT: Again, this is directed at all who feel defeated by the prices, not just Bartel.

Edited, Dec 19th 2013 2:33pm by IKickYoDog

Oh hey!!

Could you please, please take a look at the furniture available and let us know if anything at all give any significant bonuses? Hell, even insignificant bonuses!

Maybe you won't know until you place it. You can buy some of the furniture pieces with FC credits, right?

This question of whether or not FC housing is really vanity only is really making me curious. Especially since people are saying conflicting things with equal degrees of certainty.

EDIT: Bah, wrong thread.



Edited, Dec 19th 2013 3:46pm by Gnu

So, for those of you planning to contribute mucho gil to your FC housing, is this pretty much your statement of intent to remain with your FC? I for one don't know about my FC, we have a few people that are on the fence about staying with ARR with EQNext and other games coming out. One is going back to WoW, others are starting to go missing for a few days here and there, they don't have that urge to log on every day now, so I may not be here always.

Our gm jokingly said the other night that he was thinking of interviewing people for invites to the FC, and asking them how much they could contribute to the bank weekly. Nobody laughed. This is what it's feeling like there now, we're only as good as the gil we can provide.