"It" froze over. Lalafell bust size is coming.Follow

My point is, its ridiculous (and immature) to associate anything sexual in nature with video game avatars no matter what game or what race you're talking about (human, lala, elin, popori...Galka....it doesn't matter.). I wasn't coming at this from the Elin perspective - I'm "guy who likes to make female characters" as well as "guy who plans to make a lalafell (not that it should matter, but male)' in ARR.

I'll use Elins as the example I guess because they are notoriously the most controversial. Though once again, my point is about ALL avatars in ANY game.

The majority of people fall under 2 categories in these discussions...

a) The person sees a game avatar that is half animal, half human, wears dresses on some classes and makes annoying noises. Most of this group is also completely annoyed by anyone who is ignorant enough to even bring sexuality into the conversation.

b) The person sees a figure that automatically sparks impure thoughts and makes them feel uncomfortable. On top of all that, it even makes noises that resemble "moans". Seriously? You think those are moans??? Sorry, you failed that Ink Blot Test.

The same can be said for the old "you made the female human because you wanted to stare at her all day".

a) Some of us just see a female wielding a sword who might remind us of other great female characters from past games, movies, ect.

b) Others see the female and only think of sexually related motives for a male creating them.

You see the pattern here. The problem lies with the people who's mind only lets them interpret these things in a sexual way. Which is why I used the 3 examples, the last of which being the one that should have shown you just how ridiculous it is interpret avatars in such a way. Maybe I'm alone on this and maybe that makes me the strange one, but I have never in my life looked at anything in a video game and had it provoke RL sexual thoughts.

In my mind the problem is with the people who have the problem. The rest of us don't understand where/why some people always have to think of these things with such an dirty perspective.

These people are a part of the problem and fall under that same category of "twisted thinking" I was trying to point out.

I'm not trying to get into a huge thing here. I just wanted to voice my opinion on the greater issue of "MMO prejudices" towards the avatars players make - Elins are just the latest punching bags, imo. My 2nd post was to try and back up the reasoning to my OP since you somewhat challenged it. I stand by the logic to my post, but I also respect your opinion on the matter!

peace,

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Eh, the reason I found the Elin so disturbing wasn't just the skimpy wardrobes and the pedophiles in the chat channels. It's the general design. The art direction is bad. They've always got one hip stuck out, they have thunder thighs that are otherwise disproportionate to their bodies, and they don't really appear to have any thought put into them beyond "cute bunny girls." It reminds me too much of Toddlers and Tiaras, or those documentaries about the Traveling Irish that always have the ten year olds dressed up like twenty year olds.

I'm sure they have a deep and lengthy racial lore I'd be interested in learning about, but all I can think about when I see them is how wrong and creepy they feel.

And I play a Tarutaru and a Lalafelle...

Does fapping count?

I think you may be reading too much into what I was saying. I don't think the FFXI/XIV female character models are over the top at all, nor is the clothing for that matter. As mentioned, just compare the aesthetics to TERA, the armor/clothing/animations/character models just drip "sex". I just think its nice that the female Lalafell will actually look like a different gender, otherwise, what was the point of having a gender option at all? It's not like SE is afraid of making single-gender races. I mean, put a helm on a female Tarutaru, and you're lost amidst all the other Tarutaru, whether they be male or female.

I don't know, I don't feel like its a big deal either way. I'm just happy that they're doing it to actually make each gender stand out.

I'm sorry, but a Lalafell with boob mechanics is a far cry from the infamous Elin design. I think we are talking apples and oranges here. I also think that if you are like me, avatar models take a back seat in game, since my focus is usually on the gameplay at hand.
With that said, i will probabaly play Miqo' Te again.

We have no idea what bust sizes will be available even. I imagine even at max settings, there will be simply enough change to distinguish a male from a female. I expect once beta starts someone will leak a video or something of this very feature and everyone can rehash this again then.

This change does not bother me as it is aesthetic change only. This does not affect game play.

Men are paying to sleep next to teenage girls in Tokyo, men are stoning girls to death in Pakistan, men are treating girls like crap in America ...

These are real life issues that need to be addressed for sure, but a video game is probably the wrong place. A video game forum is certainly not the place to handle it.
Why do people keep mixing fantasy with real life? I played Tera for a bit. I tried Elin. I didn't become a pedo ...I'm sure that a Lalafell with boob mechanics isn't gonna make me want to sleep with children.
People that will do that, DON"T need mmo's, or magazines, or tv shows to coax them into doing it. They are sick, and need help (Read: Should be shot imo).
Maybe, some people are more sensitive to this than others. I apologize to them for my views, but this is getting a little out of hand. There is nothing more serious than an adult taking advantage of a child...... But if you think that those people come running to video games to get their fix, i'd have to disagree. If "Pixels" were enough to satisfy this problem, then this problem would have been solved long ago.

SNOOKIE!

The party ended a week ago, and now it's time to drive home.

Yeah, as a woman I am a bit tired of all female chars being overly sexualized in games. It's getting always been ridiculous.

I don't have any real problem par se with female lalas getting the chest slider, but if that is the only customization they offer in terms of body type I'll be sorely disappointed. If that's the case then, once again, I'll be left thinking that SE only really cares about the preferences of their male customers and they don't care about making their game interesting to women at all.

I know not all women are bothered by it, but I also know I am not the only female who gets turned off by this sort of thing.

Edited, Feb 19th 2013 10:16am by Olorinus