problem with no-level systemFollow

so, since they stated that the growth system will not be a conventional growth system, and that there may be no set "jobs", how will this effect {looking for members}

i mean, if you've got no level, or no job attatched to you're name, what are you labelled as?

if my group needs a healer, do i need to ask every person i see "hey do you have any healing spells? how developed are you're healing spells?"

like instead of being a 50 paladin, you would be "a character with defensive abilities and healing magic skilled up to about half way to cap"

i don't know, im sure they will work something out, but i just see it as being a pretty big hurdle.

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Well they said they did like the job system and are planning on implementing it in a new way, so I assume there's going to be some sort of way they differentiate the characters and measure advancement, even if it's not specifically a character level.

The way I interpreted that was that they liked the diversity of the job system in that it allowed players to experience (or just experiment with) a variety of abilities and roles. While they may still go with a more rigid job system than some of the other options discussed here, it wouldn't surprise me if there is no option to select a job of any kind on the character creation screen when the game goes live.

this would make it so you've got to shout (or some equivalent to wide spread chat) in order to look for a group for anything, not just missions and what have you.

no LFG system would be rough.

Well, they could simply make FFXIV have new version of "Level Sync" from the start. That way, you can invite anyone and then just "adjust everyone to a party member's skill levels". Just invite people by role or "job" (whatever it means in FFXIV) "Sync" and go around killing monsters, or doing quests or missions or events.

Level Sync works for FFXI, it has its flaws, but it works amazingly well, so it would be a great idea to make it available for FFXIV. Hell, maybe Blizzard should one day copy it for WoW, if they aren't planning to do that already, oh, I forgot, no one parties in WoW, so it has no purpose there.

I read the new system as "level will be determined by your ability to wield a weapon".

So, you have one character, but your job and abilities change depending on what weapon you equip. So if you want to be a "DRK", you have to equip a scythe, and as your level in scythe increases so do your other abilities.

So you would still /sea all DRK 40-45, but the abilities he has will be based on his scythe skill, rather than a solid amount of exp per level.

Bear with me a moment..

This also means that if the "DRK" wants to go and level GS, he has to go back to "level 1", only GS now offers him a complete new range of abilities, so in essence he is not a "DRK" but a new job.

So, in a way there is no "job" system, but a "job defined by weapon of use system". The benefits of this include no more completely backline jobs, even a WHM may be forced to melee.

However, they could just implement a system whereby mages are skilled with magics only.

While I am a bit intrigued by the potential of a weapon determining your class... it worries me a bit. I'd much rather the traditional pick your own class in the mog house/character selection. That's just me.

I don't know. What you are suggesting is really too complicated. I doubt that is what SE is planning since it would just scare new players with its complexity. They clearly said one thing they liked about FFXI was the jobs and that they would be appearing again slightly altered. As for the growth system I think that refers to how you evolve from that existing job. In other words instead of leveling a second job and and equipping it as a subjob you would manipulate by what type of skills and weapons you utilize. SE has a big plan in store but if we try to analyze it without information we'll turn it more complicated than it seems. Remember than in each FF there are jobs. In FFX, Yuna was a summoner but she could move through the sphere grid and learn either black magic or white magic spells. You were the one who decided on what to move to. In FFXII there was no set job. You could use any weapon and develop skill as long as you had the license to wield that weapon. Hm....weapon. Nah couldn't be. But in most Final fantasy games usually the flexibility comes from how you customize your job.

Whatever SE is planning, we are talking about the company that has made one of the most successful rpgs in history. Lets have some fate on them shall we? If you are going to try finding what this new job sub system they are going for try analyzing previous FF job systems. There might lie the answer. "We are trying to find what we can add from other Final Fantasies into this one. We hope that what we do can surprise the gamers." Those lines they said are pretty interesting.

actually it was mention that there would be use of multiple weapons.