Scrapping a level system altogetherFollow

I swear I knew nothing, was just chatting with someone talking about how awesome UO was back in the day.

But you can all think I'm psychic anyway.

There's a clip in Japanese that a friend translated for me that specifically says it will be similar to Ultima Online. Let me see if I can find it.

I've never played a game that didn't have an experience point system, I don't know how I feel about no system like that. FFXI was my first MMO and I played just about every EQ style MMO out there so I don't really have the point of reference that the UOers do. How in UO did you "level up" the skills? Was it after a certain amount of time spent doing a skill or was it based on luck?

In one of the interviews they mentioned weapons being important to the levelling process did anyone else think of the systems like in FFIX and FF Tactics Advance 1 & 2 where you learn skills form certain weapons and armor? Maybe something like that only you dont need a specific piece of armor just the type and level? That could be pretty interesting, like learning white magic from staffs and black magic from wands and weapon skills from swords and axes and whatnot...

SE already said it won't be a standard leveling system...

Well FFII had a system in which any character could use any weapon or spell. You became more skilled with the ability the more you used it and your stats followed suit depending on what you used.

Star Wars Galaxies had a system in which you point in which you applied to any job tree. For example to become a ranger you would max out the scout tree, max out marksmen, and one or two tiers of crafting.

I can't wait to see what SE has up their sleeve.

No, just no....FFS, even SE said that there will be a growth system that has nothing to do with levels.

Sorry for double post, I'm reading this thread after a 7 hour day and 45 minute drive both ways from work...I'm tired ^-.-^

Edited, Jun 5th 2009 2:36am by Magicalsquirrel

I don't know how Ultima Online works, but the news made me think of Romancing Saga 3.

The skills / magic / stats you gained in this game depended on what actions you took during battle.

For example:

If you used a bow and just shot you would eventually gain a light bulb above your head, telling you learned a certain new random bow skill.

Now if you spammed that new bow skill you would eventually unlock a better bow skill.

Defensive/evasive weaponskills were learned the same away. Think you could get parry from swords/rapiers.

There was a max to the skills in general you could learn so eventually you had to drop skills. But you could remember skills from different weapons at the same time and during battle this enabled you to use different weapontypes too.

Stats like hp,mp etc. were gained at the end of each battle depending on what you used/got hit by during battle. (If you spammed magic chances were higher you would get mp)


It was a pretty fun game, but I can imagine it being hard setting up parties with this system. With no real easy indication what level you are imagine how long those shouts could be (0.O;)



p.s. Hmmm Wiki says this game was published by Square too.

Edited, Jun 5th 2009 8:59am by RedGalka

Edited, Jun 5th 2009 9:02am by RedGalka

We are talking about SE here and on top of that an MMO that’s going to probably replace FFXI and I assume they want a game that last longer than FF11. Also they emphasized HEAVILY on growth all the time in the intervjus, meaning GRIND. If you don’t grind you don’t grow, simple logic.

With the emphasis SE has been putting on weapons in FFXIV, I wouldn't be surprised if rather than leveling yourself, you level up your weapons, which would correspond roughly with jobs. Combine that with a separate skillup system of some kind, and you'd have a very nontraditional leveling system that still incorporates the idea of grinding to grow your character, without ever literally leveling up.

It'll be very interesting to see what SE actually has up their sleeves.

I think that a leveling system similar to a sphere grid would be quite intriguing, though I can't see how that would lead to all too much diversity... Although, then again, I can. Oh jeez, I'm torn. You could have 500 people follow the same set paths or you could have 500 people skipping around and picking up what they want... It would be cool, but they would have to implement it just right, and not exactly set up like in FFX.

I was thinking about the possibilities of natural progression, though. What if your abilities developed depending on your play style? Maybe you run around equipped with an axe all the time and swinging at monster, gradually your axe skill increases and abilities become available. Meanwhile, your friend is running around with you but he is switching between an axe and a sword, and different abilities become available to him. There are no real defined levels, just abilities that become available as you play the game in your desired way. Maybe even, you always run around with a sickle harvesting, one an ability pops up that increases your harvesting results. Oh the possibilities...
The one problem I see with that is that people might not like how their character is turning out. That's not to say that they couldn't just play differently, but then it wouldn't exactly feel "natural" now would it?

Bleh, ok, I'm done brain-puking for you all.

I'm excited about the new system of skilling up. It would allow you to really customize the character the way you want. And I wouldn't mind the grind because it is a general part of any mmo. Hell, grinding is a part of life itself, you practice something over and over until you get better at it. I can't wait to hear about the details and I am beginning to save up for my ps3 for next year.

You mean you want to solo and then kill bats, crawlers, or beetles for the next 6 hours ?



Edited, Jun 5th 2009 5:32pm by Maldavian

LOL I’m not being negative, the poster writes that he wanted a system different then gather together people to kill of some bats crawlers and beetles, and I provided him with an option that you can do it solo, how is that negative ?

personally I think that the character development system is going to be a lot like melee system + job progress in the original FF tactics. You'll have basic starter jobs and when you meet standards of skills/spells/tokens whatever, you can open new spells, skills, WS, and jobs through quests. Going future on you can specialize even your job but how you like to specialize a skill and carry that over to another job. Think a very expanded merit point system for you character mixed with another system for your jobs.

Making even 2 blms possibly completely different. One mage with heavy magic, and the other spamming a WS that converts hp to MP to cast weaker spells and a more consistent rate ;)