Bring end game PvPFollow

AoC was a terrible example of mmo gaming period. It didn't do anything right.

Warhammer, EVE, and Guild Wars. All of these games are built around PvP. It is part their main focus. Because of this, their pvp systems are not only way more advanced than WoW's, but definitely more refined.

i want pvp but i do not wish it to interfere with normal grinding or doing quest.simple way is to make a few channels/realm in 1 server.some channel is pvp-enable and some realm is only pve-enable.

Wow, I finally created an Alla account, after playing FFXI for 5 years then switching to WOW for a year. Hell, I couldn't even have the name Shazaam, and I have had it on online games for years.
All because of a 'there is no 5th star' member showing that he had absolutely no idea what he was talking about. Allegory, the finger here is pointed at you. (and your lvl 60ish char with one job...)

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Everyone in FFXI leveled in their own area, it was damn near impossible to reach another area's zone at the beginning. What people are afraid of is high levels sitting in a low level zone just killing them off. And yeah, while that seems 'impossible' in wow due to natural barriers (hell try getting to the Night Elf starting zone and just hanging around killing dudes'... in the traditional FFXI experience, a level 20 'windurst person' just hanging around ronfaure and being able to easily just stay there is not a hard thing to imagine. Play FFXI more to make comments on it.

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Again, in FFXI it is unimaginable (at least for the old schoolers like myself) to venture anywhere without at least 5 friends in a group. If what you are implying is that it would be so much better if there was another group of 5 from an opposing faction camping the same area when we got there, that would suck. Either group would kill the other as soon as they noticed their camped exp mobs being taken by another group, leading to a grief fest of one group dying, then the other, reraising, etc... until both groups lost members and interest.

You must play alot of wow or other solo intensive games to suggest to the Final Fantasy online community that they should "Level with friends".
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Again, a misunderstanding of the traditional Final Fantasy online playerbase. "Keep an eye out for enemies and look around while you play"... Who can even get to the valkrum dunes without knowing this basic tenet of the game?
It was easy to do in wow, not very easy to do in a battleground, but still, awareness of your surroundings is something every final fantasy online player has learned from day one, when another rabbit ran up while you were still wondering if you should have taken warrior over whitemage for your level one.
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Fair enough, if they do that in almost any other game the respawning victim is fair game. But this is FINAL FANTASY ONLINE... People camp mobs for 24 hours at a time (A THING THAT MUST CHANGE IN 14)... so say you die against an opposing faction while camping a peacock necklace... you should just log out for the next week? Or worse, you get killed along with your whole group of 18 next to a Behemoth trying to camp KB? Your linkshell just doesn't play for the next week?

You may have a plethora of experience in PVP games, but you don't have much Final Fantasy online experience. Please keep your 'There is no 5th star' comments to things relevant to this game.

Want pvp in FF? so do I, but I would never want a free for all in a game that takes so much dedication and skill to play. If I wanted that I would go play Halo. In final fantasy I want a story, the traditional elements, and the feeling that strategy and hard work paved my way.

I personally love the open RVR areas in Warhammer, and that would be a great benefit to FF if implemented in a similar way. I also love the battlegrounds in WOW.

What I hate about both these games is when the PVP aspect of the games affects the PVE aspects of the games. In both Warhammer and Warcraft this is understandable, one started as a PVP RTS game, the other similarily as a PVP board game.

Final Fantasy is THE distiguishing PVE RPG. It has revolutionized the genre countless times. This is what the core Final Fantasy player wants. (and it is a large playerbase, with the best selling videogames and game series of all time). PvP would be great if it was a side event, but it would not be viable as the over all basis of the game.

FFXI focused on the PVE element, and arguably has the greatest PVE storyline and implementation of all the MMORPGS ( the grind and flaws and camping ignored).

You want PVP focused gaming, well play Warhammer or Age of Conan... I think we all know how long their playerbase paid attention. It's just not a very immersible or deep atmosphere. The numbers there speak for themselves.

Edited, Jun 4th 2009 4:21am by Shazaamemt

That still creates the whole 'X job is nerfed, because Y job cannot kill it in PVP balance' issue.

Rather keep PVP to specific zones (like RVR in WAR) or Ballista: where PVP rules on weaponskills, spells, etc are separate from the PVE elements.

Seriously, unless they release Orc, Quadav, Yagudo, etc as a playable race.. does anyone even see this as being anything close to a PVP type MMO?

This whole thread is ridiculous.

Yes, we want PvP, but SE is not going to ruin what the developers of FFIII(US) (arguably the best FF made) have called the 'Greatest Final Fantasy' by pandering to an audience base that has not even embraced the company's prior endeavors.

IT'S FINAL FANTASY FOR F's SAKE, EITHER LEARN WHAT FINAL FANTASY IS OR GTFO.

I just found this. I don't know if this was actually said, but I'll address it anyways. Windurst isn't mid-war with San d'Oria. Why should you be able to engage in combat, openly, with one of your allies? This is akin to Ironforge attacking Stormwind, or whatever it's called. So many of the story mechanics in FFXI would have been *ruined* by people wanting open PvP like stated above. The cities are all joined together.

Yeah, as I think back on my FFXI experiences, most of the excitement came from being in extremely dangerous PVE zones, and I liked it! I felt a part of things. It just would've been a massive frustration if I was dealing with XXSquallhunterX trying to kill me. SE may not have said explicitly what they want to do, but they're focus with all FF games has been on immersion. FFA PVP, and any real focus on PVP just wouldn't work in any PVE zones. I should be worried about the goblin bomber looking my way, not the guy in hiding behind me, waiting for me to take the boss I've camped for three hours down to 1% health before ganking me.

Also the most important thing all PVP fanboys forget is this >> 20 CLASSES.
I will laugh my fu*king ass off if SE can balance 20 classes, not including if you will have subjobs or not in Arena.

Blizzard with all its might with trillion of dollars at its disposal could not do it, even today after 5 years of release.

Again people are striving to copy WOW which I have stated over and over again its a fu*king dangerous path for FF14 to take and will destroy FF14, mark my words.

So please people, stop dreaming about FF14 PVP.



Edited, Jun 4th 2009 10:25am by Maldavian

Considering servers will be in Japan, and 20 classes to balance in PVP.. keep dreaming my friend.

Edited, Jun 4th 2009 10:37am by Maldavian

I also think final fantasy should remain a predominantly PVE game but a little player-optional PVP would be welcome too (not open PVP). It just adds to variety of the game, because even if there is a lot of great PVE content, it could be fun to just try something completely different.

I don't really understand the "Balancing 20 jobs for PVP" argument. It's been mentioned before, but do you really expect a white mage to be able to stand up to some heavy melee class? Maybe with some skills or tricks, but generally I wouldn't think so--because that's not the white mage's role. PVP doesn't always have to be about a single class versus another class, it's expected some may have an advantage over others. To me, it just says that there should be PVP between parties, so that there is some strategy and planning involved. The solitary white mage may not stand a chance but could add a lot to PVP if say, paired with a warrior.

The only reason why this wasn't done as often in FFXI is because it was just such a hassle to get a bunch of people together at a certain time to register, wait, etc. That's the real issue. I think what should be implemented, if you want PVP, is an easier, more friendly way of facilitating matches.

Except it's not. The fanboyism is really growing old fast.

So you are saying that WoW PvP is not broken ?
You want me to link to the WoW forums concering this issue ?
Again, I really hate people trying to destroy FF14 with PvP the same way it has destroyed WoW, and if you fu*king bother to read the problems WoW has with its PvP you are welcome to goto their forums and read about it.

Yes true, but then again, you will never get that perfect for 20 classes, again I’m refereeing to WoW and that they have not succeeded in balancing their PvP even though they dont have 20 classes.

Not necessary true, it all depends on what kind of content they can provide, and if they have learned anything from FFXI with its current endgame PVE content, FF14 will succeed enormously.

- No PVP system.

According to that new intervju, I wonder what that means ;D ?

I have a feeling that the main form of PvP in FFXIV will have something to do with those airships in the trailer, but they will probably also have something similar to ballista, just refine it.