Bring end game PvPFollow

I agree, it really needs PvP and a faster pace. Tanaka said this would co-exist with FFXI. I think that's hinting at the possibility of such a change. Anyone who still wants to play PvE only with slower pace can do so in FFXI.

Thirded, but make the PVP different from WOW, that way actually using your brain for it would be a great idea, unlike WoW.

Any End-Game PvP (ie. Arena-style, etc) needs to be seperated from the main PvE aspect of the game to avoid the balance issues WoW has. LotRO had the right idea with poor interest focus in how they did MPvP...the idea of seperating the mechanics from the base PvE portion is ingenius. Too often (especially now currently in WoW), the balancing becomes so chaotic that simple changes spawn hundreds (if not thousands) of problems in a ripple effect that takes months of patches to iron out and clear up.

Given SE's history of patching frequency with FFXI, merged PvP and PvE aspects could be the worst decision they could make, and possibly the single "pitfall" that could kill a new MMO. PvP was poor in FFXI, and didn't even start to show signs of improvement until very very late in the games current life.

I personally do not want PvP because that involves many balancing issues and constant nerfs. SE please concentrate on making a balance PvE game!

It was also a terrible idea that is horrendously poorly executed. Monsters were incredibly boring to play, because they lacked the development of player classes. They had about 5 abilities they could use and very basic progression. My friend was a guardian. Basically nothing in MvP could kill him and he couldn't kill anything. Hunters could kill, but they could also just run away. Most of MvP was about running away.

WoW PvP has some problems, but it is also probably the best MMORPG PvP system in existence.

So very, very ignorant and biased.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2009 12:04pm by Allegory

Without something besides PvE tedious gameplay this game will fall off like all the other MMO's. The reason why WoW does so well is because it caters to all of the player base. Not just the raiders. Not just the PVPERS. Not just the casuals. All of them can succeed and have a fun time. In order to be succesful i think FFXI needs to do this also. Not just the hardcore 8 hour a day PvE addicts.

I only want to see PvP in XIV if changes made caused by balancing issues that only apply within PvP do not change my gameplay in PvE content.

Nothing more stupid when you level a job, gear it ok and it gets rentered useless cause of some "whiney threads" in the PvP forum.

Cheers,
Fro

PvP is a terrible idea. What happens when a certain job/class can totally demolish another one. Then the one who got beaten will bitch and complain nonstop until se either buffs or nerfs either one of the jobs. This goes on for a year or 2 until SE just says fck it and makes all classes the same.

No pvp is one of the many reasons i play ffxi.

THey are in this for the money not the small % of players who only enjoy hardcore PVE. If they could manage to keep them sepereate and concrete differences in PVP and PVE; such as different abilities / gear / balencing in PvP. This would allow more of a player base while still allowing the PvE content that everyone likes.

For those who don't want anything but PVE, there will still be good ol' FFXI. But, there is nothing bad with some well implemented PVP system in an all new game. If it sucks, I am sure we will all concede SE should never again try it. But the whole idea of having different powers for the PVP part of the game seems nice to me. Like, I don't know you enter the PVP arena or zone and the game and battle systems are changed a bit to balance out jobs for PVP.

Yes, they're probably in it for the money, but a good chunk of their player base is Japanese... people who have something a lot of American PVPers lack, respect. The last thing they want is to see a bunch of Americans ganking people nonstop to PvP level. FFA, doubtful. Something like Ballista, more likely.

I do. Just grab a couple of asshats from your town and defeat said asshats.

People keep talking about balance issues.. if a WHM loses to a MNK, will anyone be suprised? Do we need a balance patch? No.. it's a healer getting whomped by a dps.

If you read my earlier posts above you would relize that "asshats ganking outside of the city" WOULD NOT HAPPEN. In order to pvp you would need to queue up or sign up at a said place to enter another zone for pvp so keep those comments out of this thread.

Please select your server:
PvP: Remora
PvP: Leviathan
PvE: Lakshmi
PvE: Shiva
PvP: Hades

How hard is that?

But if they have a lot of servers I'll have to scroll down to the PvE ones, and scrolling is hard!

Your oblivious to the point intended. FFXI is a pve based game and should stay pve based. But players should have the option to make a 2v2 3v3 or 5v5 team and queue up and climb higher to play better opponents for usuable gear only in pvp. Also Battlegrounds (ballistas) should offer the same. No ganking or camping invovled. Only time you can touch another player is inside the zones. Making a concrete difference between Pve and PvP. Which would draw in a much bigger player base. And give something to do at the lvl cap other than wait hours on spawns.

Not very hard but it doesn't solve the problem of changes to game-mechanics because of some whiny peeps that play job x and cannot beat job y in PvP.

If SE can keep PvE and PvP enough apart that this 2 aspects of the game doesn't ruin each other, kudo's to SE ^^

cheers,
Fro

You really don't know what you're talking about. The most popular Asian MMOs, such as Lineage, involve FFA killing. Most Western MMOs limit PvP, like Lotro, Warhammer, and WoW to some sort of faction system. Asians tend to be even more hard core about it, and in many of their games when you die in PvP you drop your inventory or equipment and/or lose exp.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2009 12:47pm by Allegory

I'd like to see some sort of PvP in XIV. XI's PvP was badly implemented and just downright awkward. I'd love to have some consensual PvP in the form of an arena where I can just casually take on a friend for fun. It should be made so that I can go from challenging a friend to a match to winning said match within half an hour. Maybe there could be some sort of staking before the match to add a competitive edge as well.

I think PVP only works in game when it's omnipresent and the game is designed around it, like EVE. Otherwise it has to be kept so separate as to be an almost different game.

AoC, close enough.

Edit - now name that Japanese one for me. I'll wait for you to google it.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2009 2:29pm by Callipho

I think that they will introduce some pvp. I don't think it will give a reward even close to the reward obtained from high end PVE though.

How they are going to do that without constant nerfs and buffs is yet to be seen.

Whoa there, I'm not bashing American values. I'm bashing the average person I've run into in American PvP-centric games. FFXI was a welcome respite from that.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2009 2:48pm by Callipho

Either you've been incredibly unlucky in American PvP games or you're exaggerating your experiences.

I have played WoW on a pvp server for two years (and FFXI for two years as well to balance that out) as well as Warhammer Online, which both were very pvp centric games. Ganking was never a problem for me. Ganking is rarely a problem for anyone, because it is so easily avoidable. Wiping in WoW isntances, group wipes in FFXI parties, and accidentally aggroing an extra mob while solo questing all happened far more often than being inconvenienced by ganks.

If you don't want to get ganked then there are a few simple things you can do to avoid it.
1. Level in your own territory or near allies. It's highly unlikely that you'll get gank by a Windurst person if you level in West Ronfaure.

2. Level with friends. You're less likely to get ganked in a group than you are alone. In addition you'll probably have more fun playing the game with other people than by yourself.

3. Don't have tunnel vision. Keep an eye out for enemies and look around you while you play. You should be doing this anyway to make sure a mob doesn't spawn next to you in a fight and aggro.

4. If you do get ganked don't respawn immediately next to the ganker. No one can camp you; you can only volunteer to be camped. You volunteer to be camped by respawning as quickly as possible right next to the ganker or in the same area you were killed. If you died because mobs were spawning too fast around you would you go back to the same area and fight there again?

Edited, Jun 3rd 2009 2:13pm by Allegory

PvP could be ok if it was in an arena type setting, but please dont forget this is a Final Fantasy. It will and should be in keeping with past FF titles. I dont think there will be much focus on PvP (that is of course; just a guess). The only exception would be if they were going for huge market share.

I think SE will stick to what it knows, PvE. SE has found a nice little niche with FFXI and will proabably expand on that and improve (hopefully with some form of PvP that works for people). Will a PvP system in FFXIV take players away from WoW? I would say probably not, and I believe SE would look into this through marketing research. They will probably try to have something, but will ultimately try to appease their base which is PvE.