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The reward system is a good place to start. WoW did this with gear and FFXI now has this in the form of extra exp from FoV. The rewards are only limited to the imagination of the developers. It could be anything really: R/E crafting materials and dispensable tools, Ammunition/Reagents, etc.

I entirely agree. Anyone will do anything if you pay them enough, but you know they are having fun when they do an activity without being paid.

Lol, I totally agree, people more complain about leveling than they do enjoy it. People make it a labor that they try to rush through as fast as possible. Why didn't they just make WoW a LAN game rather then a MMO. Anyone I talk to, stays for the end-game-dungeons and their "epic"-gear.

Why is it also that anyone I talk to about WoW the perfect expert of their class? Anyone else ever notice that? Talk to someone about WoW, name a specific class they play, and I bet they will tell you exactly how you should play because they know the best way.

Back onto the REASON THIS THREAD WAS MADEIf you want to talk about WoWs patches or how to play a class, plz go to the WoW forums.

I think a lot of stuff can be learned from WoW (and I don't even like the game)

Jumping
I talked about this in another thread, but I'll sum it up. If I have to walk 500 feet around a 1 foot tall ledge ever again, That will kill a 3D experience for me.

Mount Variety I know that chocobo is THE final fantasy mount, and always will be, but with modern MMO and gamer audiences, that is not gonna fly. I personally could care less what is moving me at a faster speed, but people will complain

Armor Variety WoW has terrible skins for Armor, but damn do they have a so many varieties of it. Just stray away from retexturing the skin and chest models with scales, and then throwing HUGE shoulders and fancy helmets on. That is the Worst way to make armor. I know I don't want skin tight armor with half ton weights on my shoulder. I do not like the way they make their armor, but I like that they have a lot of it.

Guilds, and reasons to have them
I know there are people that are out there, that are in favor of just keeping link shells with that hard to distinguish what color that pearl next to a characters name. I am sorry but you are in a extremely small percentage of gamers out their compared to other MMOs and online games. If I want to spend time with a group of people, I want benefit rather then just being able to "chat" with them. I want to display and show my guild to the world. I am proud of it. I want a Cape, I want exclusive things that a hard working guild can only get, and yes I would like my guilds name under my characters name.
some may say "Makes everything to cluttered!" well guess what, one line of text will not make everything cluttered. Plus the fact that it is a MMO the first M stands for MASSIVELY meaning, if you can't stand a lot of something, you are in the wrong game.

Character Customization (rather they learn from City of Heroes)
city of heroes is another game, I didn't enjoy for long. I was soooo amazed at the level of customization I could do in that game. You will never run into someone that looks remotely similar to you, and It made attachment to your character all the better, because you made him/her from the ground up.

Spells
Mainly the accessibility of other MMO's hot bar, even for those people that hate having something more then just their character on the screen, you could pull a guild wars and only allow 8 on a bar at once. Or better yet, allow how many slots you want on the screen. The people that want 50 slots taking up half their screen, go ahead and do that, But I would only want like 2 bars of 12 with easy to read descriptions of the spell and icons that are easy to understand.

Maps
I agree with a lot of the things already said in the posts, but I will restate them simply. Radar with customization of what you want to see and what you don't want to see in it. A easy quick button press of "M" to see where the F*** you are going.

Landscape
WoW may not be the prettiest MMO, but I loved exploring random places where I would find Easter Eggs and other things that would get me excited even if they served no purpose other then looking cool (SCREENSHOT!) I love just wandering around and exploring, never really wanted to in FFXI because It took me half the day to get where I wanted anyways so I would not take any detours.

Classes/Jobs
Lol, people are expecting me to say something to learn from. Ha! Please do not take lessons from WoW and keep putting something to complete uselessness or completely overpowered. I love FFXI Job system, and I think that should stay. If FFXIV has both that job system, and a weapon leveling sytem, then I would be an extremely happy camper

That's about all I could come up with.

I hope they don't use washed out & old rockers to promote their product.

So, what your saying is that by the time we hit ffxxiv that the game will actually break away from the play mechanics of ffxi?




Seriously, i think you're a tool. But i said the same exact thing earlier in the thread. I do not want a rehashed ffxi anymore then i want a wow-clone. So in this case it was not anything specific to you, just reiterating my same stance - if they just shine up the same mechanics and playstyle the game will not surpass ffxi.

The same arguement can be made, and accurately, about making a wow clone - it will not surpass wow.



You're also the guy who said that by simply switch spec's to resto, all of his spell power disapeared.

Basically, you're an idiot and unless you present concrete evidence I will assume you continue to be so.



And the point OF THE ENTIRE THREAD is of features that would be benificial to be taken from WoW. You want to talk about how to take things from ffxi and incorperate them into ffxiv - START A NEW F-ING THREAD!



And yet, if i were to say I would like quests to give exp rewards more often then not the ffxi zealots would cry about how they don't want anythign to do with wow.





Yeah, you're right about people speaking when they do not know...

I'm pretty boggled by this as well. Why does it annoy you so much? Seriously, why don't you focus on what you are doing and no what other people are doing?

I'm one of those people who jumps a lot. As I'm running I just hit that spacebar almost without even thinking. I also like to jump off cliffs, to the point where I will steer my character to run up a ramp and jump off it. I just enjoy jumping off things.

I certainly don't stop to think, "Hmm, I am playing an MMO and I wonder if me jumping around a lot is going to annoy that guy named darthhhvaderr99889.. I better stop because his enjoyment of this game is pretty important."

Get over yourselves.

Some of us would like to have a more "mature" gaming experience, too. So we prefer that SE would make few restrictions to what you can do in game. Things like custom sliders to change your characters appearence (huge boobs and other extremes are just stupid), names such as ClOuD929120 and jump spammers looking dumb are what ruins the experience when you feel like you're playing with 8 year olds.

I would be content with an action button, though. Still I don't think it's quite needed at all.

Edited, Jun 12th 2009 4:51pm by Hyanmen

I don't get how you got from point A to point B. "I can jump. Therefore, this is a WoW clone." ...what? You could jump in online games LONG before WoW came out.

The only things I want from ffiv are the abilty to solo a bit more and perhaps a way
To be able to experience the storyline solo.

I actually loved having to grind in Japanese groups at 3am.

But that was when I had tons of time to play.

Now with only 2 hours max a night I am only able to do a very
Limitied number of things. I'd love to finish cop but probably won't
Because of the time factor.

IMO the wow story sucks but I love the abilty to level a substantial
Amount and log off with Rested xp.

FFxi did a lot of things right. The jobs were substantial, the music
And art was great and the world really drew you in.

1. I like bop gear. I also like usable quested gear.
2. a better ui. And searchable ah.
3. Instances.
4. Perhaps inital genkei grinds or other types of grinds for the hc
Players.
5. Enough inventory space.
6. Easier crafting.
7. Perhaps a but faster battle system. Although I loved skillchains.
8. Different ways for solo players to get good gear. Maybe not
The best gear but something that would take time.
9. Pvp. Eh it's not really necessary.
10. Basically I just want to experience a fleshed out ff world that
I could solo in and group in. Basically the best of all worlds.

I think this is important for people to understand. If somebody has a limited time to play, of course they still have the right to have fun and there should be content to accommodate them. At the same time though, they need to realize that maybe they will never reach the same pinnacle as the players that have more time to dedicate. Thats not a bad thing, its just a reality.

For that same reason I think having solo play is important, for those times one may have 30 minutes or an hour to kill and yet can still accomplish something. Hopefully though, the appropriate incentive will be there to group when possible. Learning your jobs role and how it interacts with mobs, spells and other jobs is an important aspect from FFXI so to think that anybody would or should level as quickly solo is not realistic or appropriate in my opinion.

I hope it would be made for FFXIV PLAYERS!
Read up on and comprehend an open discussion on the concept of emotional logic.

Yes, but only because you have leveled up and so require new gear. Quest and drop gear is what the vast majority of players use to reach level cap. It is highly viable to either solo or instance all the way up to level cap in nothing but quested and dropped gear.

That some very constrained thinking. Fighting a boss, whether raid or solo, doesn't have to be the only way to get gear.

It's fully possible to include soloable methods of obtaining high end gear that doesn't harm raiding. Long, difficult quest chains are one way to do it. Expensive crafting and even crafting chains are another way. It all depends on how creative the developers can afford to be.

Edited, Jun 13th 2009 3:35am by Allegory

EVE has that. Of course ALL items in eve are craftable.

Edited, Jun 13th 2009 4:57am by mezlabor

One of the things I think WoW nailed was the ways to store items. Your mailbox could store a lot of things, and your bank was very expandable. One thing I'd like to see FFXIV take away from this is less mailbox, more bank.

Have the bank/mog house/whatever start with a good number of slots (lets say 50). Not enough? You can buy new 'tabs' (like WoW's guild tab system) and customize the title of each tab. Each tab would cost gil and get progressively more expensive.

Also, implementing linkshell banks would be a great way to store resources gained from shared conquests. Rare materials, consumables, a shared gil pot, etc.

I'm not sure if this changed, but can you upgrade your mog house box with more bag/item slots?

Mog house itself from 50 to 80 spaces.. storage to 80 max, and mog locker (and satchel) to 80. They're all pretty much the same thing.

Why not more than 80 has something to do with the ps2's memory I think.. not an issue with XIV anymore fortunately!