Scenario imbalancesFollow

I just wanted to know how everyone thought the balance between sides in scenarios was. Judging by other posts it's looking like certain servers have a hard time one way or another by "better" players who have joined one side.
My experience up to level 19 so far is that Order on our server (Mount Silverspear) is more organised. Now this isn't a whine about that because I know that eventually inexperienced pvp players will get better and the sides becasue of population limits will become more equal. Ok got that? Here comes the question...

Should there be a system for putting teams that join a scenario together against each other (or is there one already)?
Reason I ask is because the group size for scenarios is only 25 max even a small group on comms with each other can make a large impact on a scenario.

Don't get me wrong here, I am not suggesting that people shouldn't join in teams (in fact I like that) but if somebody has been queued up for an hour and joins a 15 person game to find their random team is facing a team of 10 guildmates then their Scenario enjoyment is going to be quite limited. I am not quite sure what the best solution here would be. Renown limit for teams? System simply putting biggest group against biggest opposing group? Suggestion....

Edited, Oct 14th 2008 6:21am by Nightlife

I've seen it go either way. Seems to depend on who you are fighting as well as who is on your own team.

I've been in groups where we destroyed the Order. I've been in some where the Order destroyed us. Playing my Order characters, I notice the same thing.

It could be argued that because there are just soooooooo many destruction players (depending on the server) that you are just that much more likely to run into bad ones. It also seems that many just don't care whether they win or not. They are just there for the points they can get.

I think a larger issue is the lower level players in the scenarios myself. Sure they are bumped to a higher level but they are still sporting a lower damage weapon and lower armor. They also don't have access to the spells that they would at higher levels.

I am not much of a fan of scenarios (by the gods they do get boring) but it is the fastest way to level. World RVR seems to be nonexistent depending on the level and the exp you get from grinding can be really crappy at times as well.

Personally despite getting ground into the ground about 50% of the time, order gives as good as it gets. I played last night and won the temple scenario 2 out of 4 times, Stone Troll 1 out of 2 and the Phoenix Gate 2/2 times for the order. So despite seeing my Shadow Assassin Smacked around a bit, it really is not as bad as I personally think when we are losing.

Through the games tend to be very one sided, either side decimating the other side quickly. Through I did have one game that went 498 to 500 for Destruction. So balance wise, we hate to get smacked around but balance is not as big as we perceive. Through I have to wonder, when I see the stats. Afterwards of the Bright Wizard who laid down 75K or damage and we still lost.

My real issue is that Order could use another pure tank type. I think in terms of Tanks Destruction has the better pure tanks, however in DPS I think the edge has to go to ORDER, as they have some great burst DPS. With the right healing my WH can take out most pure tanks. But where we tend to lose on the order side is where you get 5 – 6 Pure Destruction tanks with 5 – 6 healers, then they just cut a path.

A good example is I was playing my 18 Assassin and had a 13 Chaos Tank sit there and laugh at me because 1 on 1 I could not dps him down faster than he was regenerating. Now that is an imbalance, My DPS should be enough to take him down with no healing from his healers. But yet I could not.

assassin?

I've run into that as well. Something about those make them hard as hell to kill. Maybe they just have some kind of sick defense against ranged attacks because there were three shadow warriors on him and we still couldn't kill him. Was just nuts.

Wish my BO stood up that well against ranged dps.

Edited, Oct 15th 2008 10:02am by MrTalos

Shadow Warrior?

I think it will absolutely vary by server, so this only fits my experiences:

Tier 1: Order has lengthy spurts of few healers or tanks queueing and Nordenwatch pops 10X the others. This also equates to 99% losses for Order. I have seen Order win Nordenwatch, just not lately. Most of the time Destro runs as a group, has 3-4 tanks and 3-6 healing able classes on (and actually healing). They surround the sorceresses and magus with the healers and let the tanks play "me scary you all run back then hit me". Since Order won't support each other and plays hit the orc its just a death parade.

Destro has outranked (average scenario level around 10 vs. 7 for Order) alot this past week. Hopefully this means Order will be stronger next week...


Tier 2: More variety in what pops, still an overabundance of Bright Wizards, Shadow warriors and Witch Hunters. Troll Crossing can be won sometimes by 1-3 folks committed to winning though, especially if Destro is happy to just farm that group in the middle.

I love the scenarios, but aside with running them with guildies only the lower tiers are seeming grim to me.