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#1 Oct 10 2008 at 10:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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From the Zealot foundation

Dear Tank,
thank you for purchasing one of our Heals. Be assured that your Heal is being processed and should be despatched to you within the next 3 seconds.
Though we invite feedback to our customer sevices department, simply phoning them and saying heal, HEAL or H E A L will not process your order any faster. Also we would like to know what HEAK means

We regret to inform you that due to high volumes your Heal may be slightly delayed. There are several reasons for this.

1 If you are a resident of the Channel islands, just joined a scenario or are simply more than 100ft away please allow up to 4 extra days for delivery.

2 You may be further down our priority queue. Please note that priority is given to the following.
Nurses,small children,hamsters,DPS classes which have decided not to let you have any agro time and are now also tanking despite having no armor, that shaman next to you who has decided to pull an extra Champion into an already overcrowded melee, people supplying me with Haribou sweets

3 As you may have seen in the news we are experiencing a few union problems. Currently our Disciple of Khaine branch has gone on strike and will only be healing themselves and even then not all of the time.

4 Our despatch department has trouble locating you. Our research shows that this seems to be because of some Tank bladder problems as you constantly seem to be running in houses, behind houses or behind trees. Should symptoms persist for more than 2 days you should seek medical assistance.

5 You may already be getting healed. You may notice from time to time that green bar above your head gets some extra icons next to it and the green bar itself slowly gets bigger between hits. These are known as HOTS or heals over time. Though we appreciate you may have wanted to see this bar drop to 20% then back to 100% we feel that keeping it 75% is adequate.

6 You are not in the same party as us. Despite several requests for an invite we see that you have chosen our "Steal all the loot" option. Although we will be receiving regular Influence our insurance company informs us that we are not liable for any injury sustained while you charge recklessly around Public Quests.

7 We ourselves may be tanking. While we appreciate that Tanking may not be our job we have recently found that simply staring harshly at npcs as you run past them causes them to run over and beat the snot out of us. We would suggest that a better way to maintain agro would be to hit them several times though you may find that "tanking" shaman you are with may perform this duty for you. Also shouting HEAL at them may also make them angry.

8 Sometimes we make mistakes. It happens, rez then go kill some Order :)


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Edited, Oct 11th 2008 11:45am by Nightlife
#2 Oct 10 2008 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Nightlife wrote:


3 As you may have seen in the news we are experiencing a few union problems. Currently our Disciple of Khaine branch has gone on strike and will only be healing themselves and even then not all of the time.


does that make me a scab?

i mean, it ake healing priority for my heals, but i do heal otehrs alot.
#3 Oct 11 2008 at 12:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Edited because I've had too much to drink and calling people nerds isn't nice. Sorry. :_)

Edited, Oct 11th 2008 4:12am by TimelessOMO
#4 Oct 11 2008 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Once spent an achingly long time in a Scenario with four Disciples who never once healed anyone but themselves. In comparison, the Warrior Priests we came up against did nothing but toss out heals.

I'm getting the distinct impression that Order is the new Horde in this game. They just seem more organized.

Edit: Excellent post, Nightlife. Had me laughing, being a tank and all.

Edited, Oct 11th 2008 10:57am by Mazra
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#5 Oct 11 2008 at 1:49 AM Rating: Good
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LOL! As someone who has been a tank and been a healer, this post made me laugh. Very well done!

As a tank, I am grateful for the heals when I get them, say so when there is a moment to type, but don't cry or **** about it if I don't get healed either. After all, who is to say why I'm not getting healed? They may be dead, busy, too far away, out of mana or "heal juice" in the case of DoK's, etc.

As a healer, it seriously cheeses me off when someone assumes that "none of the healers are healing!" when I know **** well I'm pumping them out as fast as I can. So tankies, we healers love ya but sometimes we simply can't heal ya for any of the above reasons. We want to, but we can't be everywhere at once or cover all the tanks and DPS and ourselves (especially when as sometimes happen, there aren't too many of us around in that particular run).

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#6 Oct 13 2008 at 12:44 AM Rating: Good
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Nice one! Thanks for this post.

As a Chosen, I can say that "chaos tanks" disappoint me! We have such a lovely ability like "guard", but most of tanks simply ignoring it! And that is major problem for our healers. My opinion is - "guard" the healer, and you will live longer! Simple as that! But, it never happens... Also some thanks prefer to guard other classes, like tanks and DPS... I have only one question "WHY?!?!" What I find, is healer get attacked, and NO ONE! will come and help them... It's look like be in front line and get killed, is much better than help your healer... I can say if it's gonna carry like that, we will get "raped" by "order". Also as someone mentioned above, we have to organize ourselves, that is a key for "chaos" at the moment.
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#7 Oct 13 2008 at 2:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Snowblast, if your healers aren't taking damage and you're up front fighting alongside a DPS class, using Guard on him will increase his survivability as well as help the healer stay on top.

Why Guard someone who isn't taking damage?

Otherwise, yeah, I agree. Keeping the healer alive is a good idea. My Disciple can't heal when she's waiting for the respawn.
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#8 Oct 13 2008 at 4:48 AM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:
Why Guard someone who isn't taking damage?


Let's make it clear.
Firstly, as former DAOC player, I can say that, key to victory is healers.
1. If you guard DPS class which is in front line, you will take 50% of his damage, what for? DPS can't heal you, or at least himself! (Melee DPS are designed to /assist tanks and not to be primary targets.) But if you guard "Healer" he can heal both of you. Another advantage is that if another tank or DPS will attack your healer, you will have time to come back and assist him, but if don't guard healer by the time you come back, your healer will be dead.

2. Team play. At the moment most of "chaos" players look like "zerg", no team, no organization at all! But in "real" teams all the dps concentrated on support classes and healers, and only after killing them, they will kill tanks. So to win a battle you need keep alive your support. The best way to do so, is guard them, and keep them in your view, in case of attack.

I think every "tank" have to make sure that healers are alive,it's their duty and only after that kill other players.


Sorry for my English...
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#9 Oct 13 2008 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
Thank you Nightlife, put any healer in place of the word zealot and you've got it right (I heal on Order). The only Swordmaster that has guarded me in 22 levels is a guildmate.

On our server the Ironbreakers have been rare above level 11 and Swordmasters like to use the swords and pretend DPS in scenarios. This lack of tank presence (if they don't play as a tank, they aren't a tank) end up in all the range dps ringing Destruction and getting picked off quickly.

Most PuG roam far from the healers (and Order has lots of archmages and warrior priests generally). I love it when people whine about no heals. The other day I got to point out that the rune priest that wasn't healing (not me) was topping the heal chart by 30k over the next guy and maybe we should support him rather than leaving him standing alone on the battlefield.

In general terms Destro is way more organized on our server especially in PuG situations. I recently rolled a witch hunter and Shadow warrior to test this out in tier 1 scenarios. I focused entirely on griefing whatever healer I could find. Almost without exception I would have 2-5 destruction on me --at times the fleeing healer would run far from the objectives and they would all follow me following him/her. This was as a level 2-6, so basically they can outheal me handily if I am not being assisted in dropping them. I am looking forward to levels 9-11 though.

If I was to run on my archmage in a PuG... I'd die.

My favourite thing is Order mindlessly attacking orc tanks and ignoring the goblin (zealot, DoK) standing in range behind them.
#10 Oct 13 2008 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Again though, if the healer is sitting in the back and NOT getting attacked(yes I have seen both sides do this), you should guard the melee DPS that is getting hit. Saying to ALWAYS put guard up on the healer is short sighted. Tactics can change from battle to battle. If I were going to use an absolute like always, I would say always guard on the person getting hit, with priority to healers.
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#11 Oct 13 2008 at 9:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Brilliant post. Expresses my Rune Priest-y frustrations quite well :). My heal priority for RVR generally goes: Myself > Healers > Melee DPS > Range DPS > Tanks. Tanks are last, but only because they generally need much less healing than the others. My conception of the way that RvR should ideally go is to have the Tanks protecting the Healers, who are healing the DPS, who are killing the enemies. :hums the circle of life:
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#12 Oct 13 2008 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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With my WHunter since WElves love to prey on the healers I'll keep an eye on the healers. Even if I'm moving up to take a wack at some mages and healers or the tanks if mages and healers are heavily guarded, if I see a WElf I'll keep an eye on them and if I see them go invis I'll imediately go to my healer and wait.

When the WElf sneaks in I'll see them and they start going for the healer and I'll go at them. Even with me going at them they usually stick with the healer, their first target and it doesn't end good for them. or the WElf sees me next to the healer and decides to try and flex thier WElf muscle on me because I'm a WHunter and they wanna prove something. Well it doesn't end well if its just one WElf because I got my trusty healer their throwing me heals because I'm distracting the WElf from them.

The point is I see everyone prioritising what everyone should be doing and it's not always true in certain situations. Me knowing WElves are gonna go for the healers or mages because that's what everyone says they are suppose to do gives me an edge on them because I can anticipate their attack. Now think about it if I went for the squeeshies in the back all the time because that's what I'm supposively suppose to do the healer might end up getting killed because the tank is in the mist of WAR with multiple people allready on him and from there on a death chain starts to occur.

If you learn the game well and react quick and apply logic in any given situation the outcome will favor you.

So in conclusion don't prioritise things just learn your career well, learn to work as a group not solo and there shouldn't be repetitive scenario losses or even any repetitive moment in WAR for either Order or Destruction.

#13 Oct 13 2008 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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LOL you guys are great. I played FFXI when it first came out and was a White Mage. Healing was the only thing I did, and it was so boring. It was a long time ago, but all I remember is getting my feelings hurt when someone in my party (that took 4 hours just to form) would blame me for not healing them as fast as they would be hit. Or be yelled at because I would grab hate... Luckily that has not happened yet, probably because Im the archmage and my husband is the swordmaster. :) but Im curious how this class will "evolve" through the levels. Im loving that Searing touch move, and alot of my drain type moves, but will I have to give those up later to prevent getting hate? I like feeling like I am doing SOME damage. I can take "challenging" solo, barely :P If you guys have pointers on how to be the best at my job, send em over :)
#14 Oct 13 2008 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I loved the post Nightlife.

I am a tank but lucky for me I have a good friend that rolled a Zealot. So we team up and destroy things in senerios. I keep people off of him and he keeps me up. The order on our realm do not seem to get the idea to attack something other then the tank. I am rocking 3070hp in combat and I will still have like 4 order trying to kill me. All the while some random DPS is taking them out and my friend is keeping me from going down.

I was surprised that in a number of senerios I end up being near the top of the damage chart. In one I was the second highest for Destruction. I wanted to yell out where is the DPS. I run with the sword and board so I should not be dealing out the damage at all.

I have played healers on other MMORPG's so when I was reading the original post I was laughing so hard. I agree with the "shut up and sit down tank I will heal you" idea. I have not once yelled out to be healed. I know that if I am not getting it then there is a good reason.

I always throw my guard ability on my healing friend but he always ends up needing it. Plus when it is just the 2 of us in PvE the agro drain allows for him to open up earlier with heals and damage when I pull larger groups.
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#15 Oct 13 2008 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Brilliant post. Expresses my Rune Priest-y frustrations quite well :). My heal priority for RVR generally goes: Myself > Healers > Melee DPS > Range DPS > Tanks. Tanks are last, but only because they generally need much less healing than the others. My conception of the way that RvR should ideally go is to have the Tanks protecting the Healers, who are healing the DPS, who are killing the enemies. :hums the circle of life:



Hmmm, I love to stick with tanks, more than anything else. I'm a little more like this lately:

Myself (what good am I for a healer if I'm dead.
sorcs, zealot, shaman + tanks
melee dps, inc doks
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squig herder

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#16 Oct 14 2008 at 2:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Thx all.
My object here wasn't so much to have a go a Tanks because lets face it they have a job to do and not an easy one normally. It was more to poke a bit of fun at those people who think that tanking is the same as DPS but with more armor and don't appreciate that it also requires a certain amount of skill and more importantly fast assessing of the situation to stop others taking excess damage.
I decided to make this post right after I was in a scenario for the 3rd time with a guy who would shout HEAL (with various spellings) every time his health dropped to 60%. It did not occur to him that he constantly had hots on him while i was desperatly trying to heal some others who were fighting other stuff.

I was going to make a comment abput scenarios but I'll drop that into a different post
#17 Oct 14 2008 at 3:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Very funny. I know exactly how you feel. As a tank myself I really hate it when other tanks are screaming their lungs out for heals. I noticed that if you just keep the agro of the squishes you get healed most of the times.

Although not always. Not to generalize, but I've often found myself protecting a DoK and not getting healed. Kinda ticks me off, but hey, I'm a tank who sometimes grabs too much agro, so I'm used to dying. And this time I have the satisfaction of knowing that the stubborn DoK that didn't wanted to heal me will soon join me on a trip to the healer.
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