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#1 Sep 09 2008 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Can't get enough of Open Beta but you're ready to finally start your journey in the Age of Reckoning?

Starting Sunday, September 14th all Collectors Edition Pre-Order players will be invited to join us as we kick off WAR and officially end Open Beta.

On Tuesday, September 16th all Standard Edition Pre-Order players will join the ranks of Collectors Edition players as we prepare to release WAR to the world next Thursday, September 18th.

Make sure you've used your Open Beta code to download the client from FilePlanet and have registered your Head Start code in the Mythic Account Center so you don't miss a minute of action!

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#2 Sep 09 2008 at 4:14 PM Rating: Default
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That's a WHOLE LOAD OF BS.

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#3 Sep 09 2008 at 4:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jordster the Quick wrote:

That's a WHOLE LOAD OF BS.



Wha?
#4 Sep 09 2008 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
Tovin wrote:
Jordster the Quick wrote:

That's a WHOLE LOAD OF BS.



Wha?


I think he is referring to the CE getting 4 days head start...
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Well, they did pay more money. I just got the standard version and I'm not worried.
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#6 Sep 09 2008 at 5:20 PM Rating: Good
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Well, they did pay more money. I just got the standard version and I'm not worried.


Same here. Either way, in a few weeks we are all going to ding 40 and be $20 richer Smiley: smile
#7 Sep 09 2008 at 5:41 PM Rating: Default
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It's ridiculous that people who opt to spend money on a lore pack/art book get a head start into the game over people who just bought the game for the game.

It was done to appease the whiners. The drama unfolded as follows--- A few months back EAM released a whole promo about the collector's edition. One of the "perks" was early access. Then, a month or so later, they released info about the pre-orders, which also included early access. The CE purchasers cried, whined and bitched ...

CE purchasers will get all the bonus materials. There is no reason I should be sitting and twiddling my thumbs (or perhaps mindlessly owning nubs in BGs w/ my Rogue) when I could be leveling. I'm rolling with a guild ... And falling 2 days behind the pack because of whiners getting their way just really pisses me off.


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#8 Sep 09 2008 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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Keys entered into my account. I'll be starting on Sunday.
I did buy it pretty much only for the art book. The extra day or two head start is nice, but I'll be working next week, so I won't be able to play it as much as I'd like.
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#9 Sep 09 2008 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
Collector's Edition wasn't available by the time I heard about the game.

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#10 Sep 09 2008 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Price segmentation is always bad within games. Ultimately this won't matter, but is is a bad ethic to have creating precedents. You do not as a developer offer the ability to pay more cash for in game functional benefits.
#11 Sep 09 2008 at 7:35 PM Rating: Default
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Allegory wrote:
You do not as a developer offer the ability to pay more cash for in game functional benefits.


Exactly.
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#12 Sep 09 2008 at 8:08 PM Rating: Good
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Sorry guys, I'm not the gamer flamer type but it's 2 days. I think you'll be ok. Just builds the anticipation even more. As for paying more money just for 2 days or whatever reason is personal preference.
#13 Sep 09 2008 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
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Jordster the Quick wrote:

It's ridiculous that people who opt to spend money on a lore pack/art book get a head start into the game over people who just bought the game for the game.


but its perfectly ok to offer people who buy it before it comes out a headstart, over people who buy it when it comes out.

sounds like more ridiculous whineing to me, which is funny since your complaining about whiners.
#14 Sep 09 2008 at 11:32 PM Rating: Good
The first 2 days are going to be terrible, full of near empty servers and no RvR anyway. Bleh.
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It's going to be extremely difficult to pick a server before everyone else is in. The server might be dead by mass release time. I'm actually dreading starting a few days early because there is a strong chance that I will have to reroll.
#16 Sep 10 2008 at 1:27 AM Rating: Good
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It's going to be extremely difficult to pick a server before everyone else is in. The server might be dead by mass release time. I'm actually dreading starting a few days early because there is a strong chance that I will have to reroll.


Just because they are giving you the option to start earlier than anyone else doesn't mean you have to. Hold out until everyone else starts so you don't end up "re-rolling". It makes sense.
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Jordster the Quick wrote:

It's ridiculous that people who opt to spend money on a lore pack/art book get a head start into the game over people who just bought the game for the game.



See, I bought CE's for the head start, and the title. And for no other reason. Mainly, I wanted the head start to be sure I got the names I want. I'm going to enjoy playing when few others are there. I can enjoy the lore, story, look around, enjoy, without feeling like I have to RUSH through so I can compete.
#19 Sep 10 2008 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
Jordster wrote:
There is no reason I should be sitting and twiddling my thumbs (or perhaps mindlessly owning nubs in BGs w/ my Rogue) when I could be leveling. I'm rolling with a guild ... And falling 2 days behind the pack because of whiners getting their way just really pisses me off.


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#20Jordster the Quick, Posted: Sep 10 2008 at 9:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) U R ADULT.. AMIRITE?
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Not sure why it surprises you jord. Besides be happy originally they werent going to give SE a headstart. So you are getting more then you would of
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#22 Sep 10 2008 at 11:21 AM Rating: Default
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Quinz wrote:
Not sure why it surprises you jord. Besides be happy originally they werent going to give SE a headstart. So you are getting more then you would of


Ever since they announced pre-orders, they said it would come with early access.
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#23 Sep 10 2008 at 11:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uhm, that's not entirely true. At first it was only for CE's.

[Edit: Well, beta at least. head start was for everyone. I think that's where the confusion began.]

Edited, Sep 10th 2008 12:21pm by tovin
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I seem to remember one of the big selling points for CE was that they started first. Then people started complaining about this very topic of CE starting first, then they flopped, and now they are appeasing both worlds. Which to be honest is quite nice, i hate when an mmo company chooses one demographic, and i'm not in it
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LOL! Amen Quinz. Letting CE's in one day early from SE's is not a big deal. Letting SE's in supports those who support the game, developers, studio and whatever. I'm failing to see the problem, though I'm gathering that many have some kind of issue with Jord. lol

And as for Allegory's statement about price segmentation. SE's are not price segmented, and if 24 hours isn't worth $20 to you, I'm sorry. It is to me, and to 60k of us out there. I've been following this game since Imperator was post-poned (not cancelled people...pay attention), and if $20 is what it takes to play it ASAP, it's worth it.

If you're going to argue segmentation, how about starting with character transfers, name changes, vent servers (hey, they're huge help in RvR), time to play vs gold selling, 18 year olds with no job vs someone who works 80 hours, etc., etc.,!
#26 Sep 10 2008 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Tovin wrote:
I'm failing to see the problem, though I'm gathering that many have some kind of issue with Jord. lol


I'm trying so hard to be good :(


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If you're going to argue segmentation, how about starting with character transfers, name changes, vent servers (hey, they're huge help in RvR), time to play vs gold selling, 18 year olds with no job vs someone who works 80 hours, etc., etc.,!


That's about 5 cans of worms .......

To be honest, though, I don't agree with any of those services. Name changes just help people ninja loot. Transfers sort of tear at the fabric of what makes an MMORPG a persistent world. I'm not saying I don't use those services... After 2 name changes and 10 (TEN!) transfers I'm not one to talk... but they still don't sit right to me.

As for time to play ... A good game should allow people to play as many or as few hours as they want and still enjoy every hour. It's absurd to think say that players who play 4 hours a week should get as far as fast as someone who plays 100 hours a week ... but as long as every hour is a fun hour, the game is doing it's job.

Gold selling? PLZ NO OMG anything but that discussion. In-game currency is just that - and allowing those with RL wealth to prosper in game is just wrong. I hope WAR is good at aggressively chasing and deleting all accounts who sell gold, and for that matter all accounts who BUY gold. There, I said it.
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#27 Sep 10 2008 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Don't complain about a service you have gotten use out of unless the service rendered wasn't what was paid for. If you don't agree with a service, then don't use it. Personally I think name changes are wonderful things when used for decent reasons, and server changes as well. It's not like they're completely free either. Any game I've seen charges for them, so ninja looters can only do so so long as they have the money to continue to pay for name changes and server hops. A bit obsessive to believe that they would consistently do such considering the cost that would be involved (note that I'm not saying that these services aren't used for this, just that it would be stupid to believe that they are consistently used for this by the same people).

As for another posting topic in this thread, personally I'm sick of people calling CE-pre-order customers whiners in the way that makes them look like they're calling all of them whiners. 80,000 North American boxes (and 50,000? EU boxes) and maybe a few hundred of those people bitched on prominent forums about it. Maybe. I'm not sure, because all I did was go and laugh at the ones who did. At least if you're going to complain about the CE customers, complain about just 'a section' of them, instead of inferring that all of us were like that.

I mean, some of us actually read everything written and understood that the head-start was for all pre-orders. And some of us bought the CE for the cool little extras because we like art, and/or graphic novels, and/or little figurines, and/or minor in-game extras and also really, really wanted the game. Don't belittle us for wanting the toys as well as the game, because it just makes you look sour, and I don't believe you want that.

Edited, Sep 10th 2008 4:56pm by Kirana
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#28 Sep 10 2008 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Kirana wrote:


As for the original posting, personally I'm sick of people calling CE-pre-order customers whiners in the way that makes them look like they're calling all of them whiners. 80,000 North American boxes (and 50,000? EU boxes) and maybe a few hundred of those people bitched on prominent forums about it. Maybe. I'm not sure, because all I did was go and laugh at the ones who did. At least if you're going to complain about the CE customers, complain about just 'a section' of them, instead of inferring that all of us were like that.

I mean, some of us actually read everything written and understood that the head-start was for all pre-orders. And some of us bought the CE for the cool little extras because we like art, and/or graphic novels, and/or little figurines, and/or minor in-game extras and also really, really wanted the game. Don't belittle us for wanting the toys as well as the game, because it just makes you look sour, and I don't believe you want that.


I didn't ever infer anything about "EVERY" CE buyer. I was talking about the vocal few who whined ... a lot.
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#29 Sep 10 2008 at 12:48 PM Rating: Excellent
What do you even need gold for in Warhammer?

'Respecing' your Mastery or Renown points is free.

Training cost are extremely low.

Armor dying is extremely cheap.

From what I gather, the only thing players can craft are potion and talisman... both of which are consumable (Talisman have a duration that's between hours and days, but they do run out).

I understand there's an auction house, but aside from selling random world drop, what else will go on there? What's the point of selling an epic sword for 300gold if you then have nothing to do with that 300g anyway?

Gold is very close to being worthless - so why would anybody buy it?
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Jordster da Basher wrote:
I didn't ever infer anything about "EVERY" CE buyer. I was talking about the vocal few who whined ... a lot.


Actually, it could have been taken that you did infer that every CE buyer whined, which is why I said what I said.

Jordster the Quick wrote:
The CE purchasers cried, whined and bitched ...


This was why I stated I was sick of people inferring all CE people were whiners. Apologies for taking it incorrectly, but you can see why I did.

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Also an edited my previous post because it wasn't the 'original posting' rather several postings below the original.
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Warchief Tyrandor wrote:
What do you even need gold for in Warhammer?

'Respecing' your Mastery or Renown points is free.

Training cost are extremely low.

Armor dying is extremely cheap.

From what I gather, the only thing players can craft are potion and talisman... both of which are consumable (Talisman have a duration that's between hours and days, but they do run out).

I understand there's an auction house, but aside from selling random world drop, what else will go on there? What's the point of selling an epic sword for 300gold if you then have nothing to do with that 300g anyway?

Gold is very close to being worthless - so why would anybody buy it?


The same reason people would buy Tunar (EQOA currency). Because they can and believe that they can get more out of the game by doing so.

Tunar, by the way, is pretty worthless too. Or at least was when I played EQOA years ago.
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#32 Sep 10 2008 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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MasterOfWar wrote:
but its perfectly ok to offer people who buy it before it comes out a headstart, over people who buy it when it comes out.

No it isn't. They shouldn't offer any sort of head start.
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And as for Allegory's statement about price segmentation. SE's are not price segmented, and if 24 hours isn't worth $20 to you, I'm sorry. It is to me, and to 60k of us out there. I've been following this game since Imperator was post-poned (not cancelled people...pay attention), and if $20 is what it takes to play it ASAP, it's worth it.

It's not so much a complaint about this specific situation as it is about a bad philosphy that cuild ruin the game were it to leak into any other part. The fundamental point of a game is starting fairness, even in asymmetrical games. In monopoly everyone starts out with the same amount of money. What would be the point of playing monopoly if you could pay 20 real dollars to start out with 500 more fake money?

This is a step away from fairness. It's a step away from the game and a step towards marketing.
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If you're going to argue segmentation, how about starting with character transfers, name changes, vent servers (hey, they're huge help in RvR), time to play vs gold selling, 18 year olds with no job vs someone who works 80 hours, etc., etc.,!

Character transfers and name are a convenience so you don't have to relevel the exact same character again. They don't fundamentally alter your play ability. Vent servers are out of the control of the company, and furthermore there is nothing you can do with vent that you cannot already do in the game, it's just easier. It's the same as any combat convenience mod. Gold selling is unfairness and is the same type of issue as offering a head start.
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Don't complain about a service you have gotten use out of unless the service rendered wasn't what was paid for. If you don't agree with a service, then don't use it.

The point is that we don't want the service to be offered, but it would be silly not to accept it. If someone offers to let you buy monopoly money for real money then that degrades the game of monopoly, but one would be stupid to try to win at monopoly and not take advantage of that.

Edited to avoid the wrath of raven gods.

Edited, Sep 10th 2008 6:57pm by Allegory
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In the name of the raven god, who is Toven?! *plots rate downs for Allegory!*
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Allegory wrote:
Kirana wrote:
Don't complain about a service you have gotten use out of unless the service rendered wasn't what was paid for. If you don't agree with a service, then don't use it.

The point is that we don't want the service to be offered, but it would be silly not to accept it. If someone offers to let you buy monopoly money for real money then that degrades the game of monopoly, but one would be stupid to try to win at monopoly and not take advantage of that.


I was in no way referring to currency here. I'm talking about name changes and server transfers in Jordster's post above mine. Is that what you are referring to also? Because it seems like you are in support of name changes and server transfers from your paragraph above my quote.
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Sorry Tovin. Fixed.

Sorry Kirana. I had assumed you meant that statement to apply to preorders as well. Yes, I find nothing wrong with name changes and server swaps.
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Hehe, all is well then. Good to have things cleared up. I was right confused about your statement. So easy to confuse things on a forum.
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#37 Sep 10 2008 at 7:50 PM Rating: Default
Is tunar as worthless as the yen?
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I am curious, as to how they determined who bought the CEs and who bought regular, for headstart purposes, when you won't be getting the CE until 4 days after the headstart starts?

just for info, I did buy the CE, I did not buy it online, I bought it at a local gamestop, and I wonder if they were supposed to give specific codes to specific buyers or whatnot, and to be honest, with the usual "I don't care attitudes" and usual uncommon sense that goes around, I wonder if my head start code is determined as a regular buy or CE.

anyone know specific details?
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This is why they're giving grace periods after launch.

CE codes were supposed to be included with CE pre-orders, but gamestop as usual, gave CE codes to SE people....

SO! That's why CE in game stuff like the exclusive head is going to have to be re-specced to make sure ONLY people who truly got CE *boxes* are using it.

So if you got a CE pre-order code by accident, you'll be able to use the CE head start. But you won't get the post launch goodies (title and heads).

You won't know until you try to login on Sunday I guess! Though your account center should say.
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I am curious, as to how they determined who bought the CEs and who bought regular, for headstart purposes, when you won't be getting the CE until 4 days after the headstart starts?

just for info, I did buy the CE, I did not buy it online, I bought it at a local gamestop, and I wonder if they were supposed to give specific codes to specific buyers or whatnot, and to be honest, with the usual "I don't care attitudes" and usual uncommon sense that goes around, I wonder if my head start code is determined as a regular buy or CE.

anyone know specific details?

Each edition was given their own unique Headstart code from the location you bought it from.
ergh, I know I waited too long to post that.

Edited, Sep 11th 2008 11:39am by Catt
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#41 Sep 11 2008 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
Tovin wrote:

And as for Allegory's statement about price segmentation. SE's are not price segmented, and if 24 hours isn't worth $20 to you, I'm sorry. It is to me, and to 60k of us out there. I've been following this game since Imperator was post-poned (not cancelled people...pay attention), and if $20 is what it takes to play it ASAP, it's worth it.



The extra $20 is worth spending if I get the names I want before some other guy snags my names...

The rest of the CE stuff is just a bonus.
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#43 Sep 12 2008 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
OK, the next question is...

What time will the servers be "turned on" Sunday? 10am PST?

Anyone know?
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I don't know officially, but the Preview weekend plus started by 9am est. We'll find out shortly :)
#45 Sep 14 2008 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Its just as I feared. servers are live now, for the CE headstart. But I cannot join, because I was simply given the wrong code. Yes, I did pre-order CE, but at a local store, not online. oh well, see everyone on Tuesday then.
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