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#1 May 04 2008 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Well I got dragged onto my whm (59) today, and exp'd, our decent rdm, but with an attitude I don't care for, left because we 'only' made 5k an hour with WAR tank, no PLD or NIN seeking, and hadn't been seeking for the past 4 hours.

Anyway, in comes a replacement, who didn't use a single elemental staff, not even dark for resting, she also meleed in int rings and whatnot.
She was unable to keep up refresh cycle, or haste cycle, or even haste anyone, she only hasted herself.
Her debuffs got resisted most of the time, and then she even DoT'd a monster we weren't fighting which wiped the PT and we decided to disband rather than put up with her...

To be nice I did the following:
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Well, I lost my niceness after a while, but wow, I'm surprised RDMs like that still exist...
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#2 May 04 2008 at 9:33 AM Rating: Default
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And now if you have to pick, you pick the first RDM or the second RDM?


PS. that is why a lot of RDMs act like that.
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#3 May 04 2008 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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crissagrym wrote:
And now if you have to pick, you pick the first RDM or the second RDM?


PS. that is why a lot of RDMs act like that.


You do know there are ****** players on every job, right?

Look, I'd stay if a party is running smoothly and making 5k/hr. Maybe the kills are slow or whatever, but I'd take it. Some people have higher standards. I'm not going to begrudge them for it. I just disagree with the way you worded your post. It makes it seem like RDMs are the only ones who are free to refuse a party that is below their standards.



As for the RDM without staves, you (OP) were nicer than I would have ended up being.
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#4 May 04 2008 at 9:55 AM Rating: Default
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I don't find it wrong to pick and choose your party. If your job is that much in demand, then more power to ya. Why take less when you can get more?

I don't find it fun casting Refresh and Haste over and over and over and over and over, but I do find everything else my job can do very fun.

If I had to choose between the 5k/hr pt or going lfg again, I'd go lfg. There's plenty of stuff to do while going lfg for a pt that can do over 5k/hr at that lvl range.
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#5 May 04 2008 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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I can understand where he or she gets the idea to think a sword is a RDM's primary weapon, but gah. >< Here's a description of this job out of an old manual:

Capable of using both white and black magic; adept at swordsmanship. However, red mages take far longer to master powerful spells than white and black mages due to their broad range of abilities.

A sword solely made for RDM.

And for a fact that they can wield this and their coming new relic which is also a sword.

Their weapon is primarily a sword in past FF games, especially as we can see from the original (see crissagrym's avatar).

The stuff as mentioned above is what may confuse the player. Not every player goes to Allakazam or even know about it, which I would mention it to that misguided RDM in /tell about it in case he or she didn't know.

The RDM is probably lazy if not misguided, their party invite rate is pretty high and it was probably hard for him or her to decline in order to spend the time to better him or herself in affording elemental staves and vice versa. As a THF myself, which the party invite rate is not as high, I had to find myself declining some of the invites I've gotten while in the middle of upgrading my gear.

This RDM could of been informed that since their party invite rate is pretty high anyway, it won't hurt to decline some invites as much like I had to do as a THF to spend the time elsewhere onto gil to upgrade the gear. Could also of been informed that swords for RDMs to use are better off for solo/campaign/fun with friends, elemental staves for exp party play & big HNM fights and etc.

Edited, May 4th 2008 1:11pm by Jevilwolf
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#6 May 04 2008 at 10:18 AM Rating: Default
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There's more players that's like this then ever before. >< That's partly why I've taken a long break now.
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#7 May 04 2008 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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Thats why you 'inform' a new player by saying 'hey, your level 51 - you need to get the elemental staves because they do *insert all the flavor here*'.

It has nothing to do with forums, it has to do with simple common sense. This is 2008, the game is bleeding 75s - if your new, kindly ask the 123 RDM75s online what they did at 75, most will help you as they are willing to hand out advice - **** 10 opinions is enough to make a decision, FF is supposed to be friendly right?

If a player is too lazy to gear themselves up to 'mediocre' via the common sense gear then something is wrong, if players in a party are being bogged down and the person is obviously being ignorant - thats what the remove player buttons for.

I have nothing against new players, **** i bleed out advice... what i do have an issue with is people who obviously want to skate to 75 on **** gear and the excuse that they are new and dont know better - do some homework, ask some questions, make some decisions.
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#8 May 04 2008 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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Omg Magistar! lmao.

she's still around? Ya, Dude. She's dumber than a brick wall.
#9 May 04 2008 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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What the community need to do, is the kick her on the spot, not just "OK just bear with it", it's those mentality that let those kind of morons hit 75.

Wait, actually it should be fine, don't tell her to use any staff or she might really have a chance to beat L5. (I know L5 can also be melee'd but I doubt she can)

Tell her to stick to her sword.
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#10 May 04 2008 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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She's a RDM. If she bought a scroll of refresh, she gets a free ride to 75. It's how the game works, unfortunately. Which is why I am SOOOOO glad they let sublimation be subbable. Really helps you NOT invite the idiots who only leveled RDM and BRD in level 30 gear all the way to 75, yet still have a **** party!
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#11 May 04 2008 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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That is why RDM L5 is a bit harder than others, to stop these sort of people, although doesn't seems to be working, may be need to make it harder.....

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#12 May 04 2008 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I think Birdhair of Bahamut still takes the cake.

RDM/NIN... no Utsusemi. I first ran afoul of him when he was leveling said NIN sub (which never got past ~24 mind you).

Melees in party.

Refreshes only self.

Hastes only self.

Will go anon before arriving to a party and say he brought /WHM as expressly requested while still dual-wielding swords.

Check the Bahamut forum for a thread, theres more than a dozen over the years.

Thank Altana for that L5 fight.

Edited, May 4th 2008 12:18pm by Ranzear
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#13 May 04 2008 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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And he is 75 now?

May I ask how?

And Party did NOTHING when he is /WHM while dual wielding?



EDit: Just checked Bahamut server forum, at least nothing about him on first page :D

Edited, May 4th 2008 12:26pm by crissagrym
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#14ghostfear, Posted: May 04 2008 at 11:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I can't figure out if it's because there are so many rdms that I see lots of rdms who have no idea what rdm is beyond Cure/Haste/Refresh. But it's a little disheartening seeing so many rdms not macroing or just in full AF...everytime a rdm exps in full AF a goblin kills a noob...
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#16 May 04 2008 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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lol, Birdhair quit or transferred servers or something.
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#17 May 04 2008 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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He'd still show up on FFXIAH.com if he didn't change names.

No... he'd still show up. Somebody would point out a RDM doing what he does and everyone would know its him.
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#18 May 04 2008 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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crissagrym wrote:
And he is 75 now?

May I ask how?

And Party did NOTHING when he is /WHM while dual wielding?



EDit: Just checked Bahamut server forum, at least nothing about him on first page :D

Edited, May 4th 2008 12:26pm by crissagrym


Well, at least according to your sig, RDM is the only job you have 40+. Maybe it hasn't been updated, or maybe you do have jobs leveled that you didn't put in the sig, but as a RDM you probably haven't experienced the **** that is waiting for a Refresher, since most other people won't party without one.

I mean, if the guy isn't Refreshing anyone else or whatever, he's obviously not helping a party, but there's a reason a party will put up with a poor RDM, if they at least Refresh and Cure a bit. As a melee, it's not like you can usually just disband and get another invite instantly. It's not like there's usually a large number of Refreshers just waiting for parties.

You say that people should just kick the RDM without staves, and blame people who probably waited a few hours for allowing someone like that to gain EXP. What the **** would you have people do? If some ****** RDM making it to 75 just because they can Refresh lets me get my EXP, I'm going to take it.
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#19 May 04 2008 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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If some sh*tty RDM making it to 75 just because they can Refresh lets me get my EXP, I'm going to take it.

+1 from the DRK

Unless its Birdhair or something equally inexcusable of course.
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#20 May 04 2008 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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I just came from a party like this. Level 59. I can completely undestand where you are coming from. You just need to disband and look for another party or kick the member and move on.

After 5 years of playing this game I am willing to help, but I'll be damned if I have the patience to deal with mouthy, gimped players.

Among my favorites to advise and then if said player mouthes at, disband:

Fighting mobs that are too hard.
"We CAN fight dese i did dat yday don't leik dat den leav!!!!!!"

Puting up with awful camps and exp (>~4.5k/hr)
"Try anuva 1 mite be beta sum r harda dan ovas"

Rediculous party setups
"We dun need no whm we got da mage da blm"

Going afk without saying anything more than once at key points.
"Sorry abowt dat mah dog wuz on meh agen"

RDM's that refuse to (backup) cure.
"I aint no whm"

BRD's that let key spells go down for long periods of time.
"i woz gunna do it in a min"

BLM's that pull hate all the time.
"He reli hates me haha"

Mages with key missing spells.
"dude, der wuz no raise on ah, quit complainin"

When no effort has been put into gear, so that the party suffers.
"I aint got da moneys for dat, dis is good neways stfu"

Bad attitude when asked to do something that whilst may be out of the ordinary, could cause the party to wipe or fail without.
"mnk aint no tank I aint vokin for da thf"

There are some things that I can put up with because we can still manage, although the situation is not ideal; e.g. WHM's who don't use Flash appropriately (/at all). In this situation if everything else is O.K. I'm not going to disband oevr an argument about Flash.

I would not have put up with that RDM. I can't blame the first one, as long as he was at least decent about it.


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#21 May 04 2008 at 11:46 AM Rating: Default
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nah unfortunately RDM is the job I started with 4 years ago and still my only 75, and I refuse to take on another job til I get everything I want for it (wish list is still rather long).

Way back 3-4 years ago, even before that massive inflation, as RDM you will be expected to actually Enfeeble, if it is a NIN tank, he will have a go if he notice enfeebles are not on. Yes mages will also have a go if you don't Refresh, back then WHM and BLM were still highly sought after in a PT, in fact, BLM is another one of those job there isn't one, it wasn't worth exp-ing cause without MB kills are just way too slow, and they will happy to yell if you don't Refresh, in fact, some of them start shouting the moment Refresh wore and I am already mid-casting.

While I never had the problem of looking for Refresher, I had my fair share of looking for WHM/BLM/tank. While BLM were sought after, I remember exp-ing with a BLM around 60 in Valley of Sorrow, he just keep casting every single elemental debuff and let them cancel each other, tried to tell him to stop but he just won't listen, ended up I just Warp from the PT and go back to LFG. That didn't stop me then, it will not stop me now.
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#22 May 04 2008 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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And also you missed when BLM dies
"PLD what the **** were you doing?"
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#23 May 04 2008 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Related:

Not keeping track of party members' recast times.
"Cover!" -Very Next Pull- "Zomg wtf cover me!"
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#24 May 04 2008 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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crissagrym wrote:

While I never had the problem of looking for Refresher, I had my fair share of looking for WHM/BLM/tank. While BLM were sought after, I remember exp-ing with a BLM around 60 in Valley of Sorrow, he just keep casting every single elemental debuff and let them cancel each other, tried to tell him to stop but he just won't listen, ended up I just Warp from the PT and go back to LFG. That didn't stop me then, it will not stop me now.


Right, but my point is that you were a RDM, a sought after job. I know how it goes, I leveled PLD. Instant party invites all the way up to 73. I was pickier with PLD than I was with MNK. Yes you can afford to be. That's not my point. My point is that these bad players get to 75 because while you won't get the best EXP/hr with them, some is usually better than none, when you don't get many invites. I think that if you took a melee up, you'd find yourself putting up with a lot more crap than you do on RDM.
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#25 May 04 2008 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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Ranzear wrote:
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Not keeping track of party members' recast times.
"Cover!" -Very Next Pull- "Zomg wtf cover me!"


I like when you move in front of a melee, and Cover them, and they move to the side because "you're blocking my view of the mob"
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#26Belaneau, Posted: May 04 2008 at 12:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why does everyone think Rdm's main weapon is a sword? Cause of AF?(look at War for fail on that) because pics show it?
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