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Being honest and nice can get you those items, but you'd better put as much effort into it as asshats put into being obnoxious and underhanded.

That said, I once had to play nice with a guy for over a month who had ripped off my Joyeuse, because we were both in the same sky LS. This was one of the things that prompted me to remember what it was I disliked about endgame shells, I dropped the LS and I've never been happier.

Just avoid people like that if they bother you. It's not worth the stress and animosity that builds up to deal with them, or worry about what they have or deserve. Nothing is free, and that includes any happiness an assclown gets out of the spoils of his jerkdom. He's paying for it somewhere, rest assured.

Tons of people say this, but do they actually do it? Doesn't seem like it.

People are going to follow the leader. These asshats do unsavory things, but in a messed up way, if you're in their LS, maybe they'll do those things to your benefit. It's Russian Roulette; how long until its your neck in the betrayal noose?

I very rarely deal with people I don't like, thankfully, usually only doing stuff with IRL friends or long-time game friends. I would just make sure, if I did align myself with an asshat, I was chasing different gear than them. I doubt a career 75WAR NIN MNK is gonna be lotting over me for RDM relic, when the time comes. Though I did know an LS leader who would give preference to his mule over others in Dynamis; the alt wouldn't even help, just hop into Dynamis to lot.

tl;dr : I'd rather not, but this game forces you to group to get things done, and sometimes you have to take one in the nose to get ahead.

Well I wont name any names, but there was a certain PLD that everyone despised for spamming who shouted for a "pick up" Dynamis Jeuno.. He only wanted a PLD drop and nothing else.. not sure if anyone told him that PLD didn't drop in Jeuno.. >.>

IMO, most people who join the end game LS and events are the other way around -- they have to have some interest in the gear; some are pure loot whores, some are little less -- like they want to see a Kirin.

No matter what, the situation OP has is far more prevalent in the highest tier of end game. I myself has witness so much happened including tearing RL relationship apart between a few Japanese players due to the attempt to fund a certain Cerberus Ageis.

A more casual or small Dynamis and Sky LS, and static Limbus and Salvage group simply does not need people with relic gear, and such small groups tend to attract more laid back players. The leaders are more likely have a mentality, "Hey lets get some people some Haidates and Homam pants."

Upgrading relic, doing ground kings are serious business. Relics take ~19000 Dynamis currency, that is probably around 150 million gil depending on currency needed and server economy. A,E,M body only drops for like .... 2 times a month? That is a huge step above farming Proto-Omega and Byakko trigger, and 35 gears.

Even a really sincere relic and HNMers they have to gauge around their support. Unfortunately, even if you are nice, you will need the hands on those people who may share similar interest. It is kind of like the plot in Baldur's Gate II :P (if you know what I mean)

Edited, Feb 5th 2008 8:05am by scchan

I know I am a douche, look it even is in my sig :p

Oh, I am not on your server.... umm, errr, carry on

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I'm fortunate to have a pretty cool LS leader. He seems reasonable enough with decisions (he has a council to help decide on things like that). To give you an example, he still doesn't have Byakko's Haidate, though we've killed more Byakkos than I can imagine, and he won't lot it until everyone else has theirs (i.e., probably never with the amount of people quitting the game and new recruits coming into the shell).

A$$ kissing and drama are proportional to rarity of the item involve.

Edited, Feb 5th 2008 9:56am by scchan

Edited, Feb 5th 2008 9:57am by scchan

In some sense, there is different tiers of end game now. People often just slam the phrase HNM LS to everything. IMO, even Sky is not real HNM now. Sky, even with competition, is nothing like DA or Atthowa Chasm. Sky gear is not all the uncommon now either. I see Hadiates all the time.

A Sky LS cannot be compared with a real HNM LS. Bad LS leaders exist even in "chat LSs." A HNM LS, Sky LS or chat LS are all going to fail and full of douchebags if the leader "sucks." There is a big difference between sucking because of being stupid and sucking for greed.

Suckers + Stupid = Fail
Suckers + Smart = :P

What I really want to see players that have interest in some end game, but do not wish to handle the drama or have limited time to organize independent friend-and-personal-connection-based-recruitment small static group/LSs for specific event or events. Drop the commonly accept of large do-it-all LS concept.

1) Salvage easily doable (and often recommended) 6 people
2) 6 people can farm Limbus and get boss trigger -- bosses take 9-12.
3) 12 people can take down most sky gods (except Kirin).
4) Small men Dynamis: 6-18 people. Can even do Xarcbard demon NMs with just 6 people; but do expect you will not get enough currency even cities to cover the cost
5) Nearly all missions in the game are intended to be done with 6 people.

Small groups with reasonable goals will get you gear faster, relatively less drama, and a more tight friend sense. You let those guys want their Ridills, but as far as I know kitty pants and Ares bodies are sexy too :3


Edited, Feb 5th 2008 11:56am by scchan

If your leader doesn't have this mentality, or one similar, you need a new linkshell.

One reason I follow Pravus (on Seraph) is because when we were first trying to get down DL, he lamented to me, "I don't even care about [the drops] any more, I just want to take the ***** down." The best leaders are the ones that see each nasty boss or new zone as a challenge to be defeated, not an easy road to better loot for themselves. Sure, he got the first shadow mantle that dropped when we finally did it, but since he's the main puller no one objected, and he's passing on the first ring that drops to our lead paladin.

My LS leader on Carbuncle was like that. I was actually D2'd from dynamis because I 'laughed at the leader die'. Ridiculous reason, I know. Not to mention I didn't even laugh at the leader, but the lol came after he died making it seem like I did.

He also made something up said I trained the entire zone back to the mog house in dynamis bastok, I quit the shell after that and till this day his members think I did things I didn't do. Sad really.

Sucks theres a shell like that on your server too. Hopefully the karma that does not work for crap on alla works on ffxi.

Amen

You obviously don't know the concept of epic win. This person has it.