What ever happened to camp courtesy?Follow

This is something that has been somewhat annoying me lately...

There really aren't very many decent Lv99 camps around in the older areas of the game, where one can just set up shop and kill some IEP Lv96-100 mobs for some easy skillups and maybe some XP on a guildie's/family member's character.

What has been annoying me lately, are times I'll set up shop in one (Onzozo is one of my favorites, nice and easy to get to, and the mobs die quick, and the Grounds Tome maxes out at almost 4k per page) and then sometime while I'm in there, some other person will show up, and proceed to start calling out their Trusts.

It only goes downhill from there -- we're both having to try and out-pull each other, then sometimes d*ckish moves are used to try and steal mobs from each other, and meanwhile we're all getting lousy XP because of this stuff going on. Since most of the camps can only support maybe 1-2 groups if they were VT, we're running out of mobs (usually the 'rare' mob the Tome asks for). Sometimes we have to wait and camp the spawns, sometimes we're just standing there doing nothing, and all the while I'm thinking...

"Why don't they just go somewhere else or do something else, because quite simply, I was here first."

No, of course not. They insist on camping in your camp, and pulling your mobs. I remember way back in the day, at least three-quarters of the time, a group would go to another camp or something (that and there were more camps for each of the leveling locations on average and each camp could support more groups) if they saw one was already occupied.

I miss that kind of behavior. I miss when people would see that you're already there, and just decide on going somewhere else. Also, it'd help if they actually gave us more camps per mob groups/families in some places (like Onzozo). Some of the camps they have set up, you can tell they only intended for there to be one group at the camp at any given time; anytime a 2nd shows up, everybody gets terrible XP.

I just wish people would stop butting in when I was there first. It is highly rude, disrespectful and annoying.

EDIT: And the problem is, for ME to move (I shouldn't have to; I was there first), I have to dump the progress I made on increasing my Grounds Tome pages, whereas they just started, they can relocate if they see the place is already taken.

Edited, Oct 7th 2014 8:34pm by Lyrailis

A) If you're using GoV for skillups, and you have a fair selection of trusts, you're wasting your time. You want to skillup combat skills? It's better to go to Yahse near the beaches and pull an Urganite as they last forever, take minimal damage, and don't do more than a single healer NPC could outheal. Need to cap magic? If healing nuke some undead in Abyssea - Grauberg/Abyssea - Atthowa, and if offensive go whittle down a colonization reive in one of the Gates (Sih or Moh are great due to lesser level mobs and very few people bother to go through here).

B) You're assuming they're there for experience. It's more than likely they're using GoV for supplement rewards while hunting for brown boxes in case of the rare crafting necks.

4K is a pittance when anything in Adoulin starting off gives you easily 500, and anything over 101 in a Gate area is 800-1,000 before any chains. If you go into old world for experience you're not only wasting your time, but you're also accepting the old world "limitations" -- slower respawns and barely enough monsters to support a single group.



And it's equally annoying when someone has an entitlement complex and believes they have a *right* to anything out in the world (i.e., non-instanced).

Love the hypocrisy.

Did you put a search comment up explaining your camp and intentions?

Coulda sworn I read that trusts could not be used in Alliances?

This was actually among the reasons why a group would not have worked.

It was...

1). Me, 91 WHM receiving free XP
2). Family Member, 99 WHM skilling weapons and magic
3). Kupipi, Moogle, Sakura
4). 99 THF who butted in
5). Some random Lv8 friend of hers

We could have removed Moogle/Sakura but that means less skillups for us (and the loss of Regen/Refresh) and the XP would have been atrocious (4man PT vs 2man). The XP was actually good enough to care (~250-300 per mob with 2man group). Levelups were taking about 45min until the THF and her Lv8 friend showed up.

Family member wound up logging us both off after fighting with her for awhile (the THF eventually gave up becuase she was being out-pulled, and THF is a LOL-worthy job to bring to skeletons in the first place).

I really really don't know why she didn't go to Gustav Tunnel. Family Member chose Onzozo Skeletons because she's a WHM and has clubs/staff and she wanted to skill Healing Magic up. I know for a fact that a 99THF with Sparks Gear gets far better XP in Gustav than in Onzozo. I even did a "/sea gustav" and there was only 1 person there (the Turtle/Worm camp easily supports 2 people).

Family member wound up logging on next morning, had the skeletons to themselves and by the time I got home from work, my WHM was 98.5 and I sat down to throw some Cures on skeletons until I dinged 99.5.

I'd have hated to play with you when the game was actually like this, if today you think this is something worth complaining about. You can warp nearly anywhere in the game, nearly instantly, fight nearly anything, anywhere, for any number or reasons... yet you rationalize this complaint by stating that you are feeling 'trapped' because... what... you had trusts? You had a level 8 with you...? You were multibox... er.. playing with a "family member WHM alt while also being on WHM yourself...? And somehow this was a big enough problem to log off and rage-post about the "good old days" of FFXI (where you wouldn't even have trusts in there with you, nor likely a level 8 friend, nor books to use...).

I'm just going to throw this out there... WOULD IT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE... and I know this is a stretch, but bear with me.... TO DROP ONE NPC IN FAVOR OF POTENTIALLY MAKING A FRIEND AND PROGRESSING JUST THE SAME AS YOU WHERE? I know I know, but that land was yours and you kicked the Indians out fair and square, but... if you were to try and treat every scenario like thanksgiving you'd likely end up with more Millioncorn. I bet then you could even get more fame in Selbina! I bet your lvl 8 best friend or "family member" would have LOVED Selbina corn fame! Wasn't that the best part about old FFXI anyhow? Trading corn endlessly? MAN THIS GAME USED TO BE SO GOOD.

Just to be clear... are your emotional reactions the only ones allowed to be here because you posted first? I'm just unclear on all these rules your majesty has set in place. If my crop had sprouted more millioncorn I could afford the luxuries of attending every one of your "Lyra's justifications" events, but alas, my fame is so limited... sometimes we just have to settle for la'theine cabbage.

On a vaguely related to the OP note, what about drop courtesy?

I'm on my GEO character, still using eminent staff, attempting Yorcia 1-5+B clears. Been running with this particular BRD for a few runs of Yorcia night before, Shark delve earlier, etc. He's lotting everything, newly returned to game and such, that's fine. He gets the sword from t4 for mag acc on his BRD, and a couple runs later the staff from t5 finally drops. This is a huge upgrade for me, and since he already has the mag acc weapon, it isn't really an upgrade for BRD, just for RDM/GEO/BLM, which he doesn't play. But of course he lots, I put up a light protest, he doesn't pass (I didn't ask him to pass but I was fairly insistent on needing a 119 staff in most of my runs with him...) and he outlots me and wins it. This is an item that does almost nothing for him, and immensely helps me.

Of course, that's the lightest abuse of this concept. Ran a pug shark a couple weeks back, Eddy Necklace drops (macc/mab) and a MNK lots it. Two nights prior I had done a Tenzen with this guy (smoked his dmg on my THF char...) and battlecast gaiters drops, and he lots and wins that. After the 2nd item I /tell him asking if he plays any mage jobs, he responds back, verbatim: "lol neva". So why the hell are you lotting the gear, man? I play two characters, one is light armor, one is mage armor. I always pass loot that doesn't apply to that characters jobs. I did Celestial nexus the other night, vanir boots were FL, I rolled 997, another player rolled for it though, so I passed my 997 and gave it to them, even though it's actually BiS for whenever I decide to make a ranged set for my THF. Just because it's easy to have all jobs at 99 doesn't mean you're ever going to play all those jobs. Choose a few, focus on those, and don't take gear unless no one else wants it for the other jobs you may eventually play a few months down the line.

The Eldieme Necropolis is another place to do skeletons for gov. He could have also been doing a trial and wanted some easy to pull mobs idk.

Bostaunieux Oubliette - Page 7 - 6 Nachtmahrs (ghosts) - lvl 96-97

Fei'Yin - Page 7 - 4 Balayang (bats), 2 Wekufes (ghosts) - lvl 95-99

Toraimarai Canal - Page 6 - 5 Plunderer Crabs, 2 Sodden Bones - lvl 95-98

Toraimarai Canal - Page 7 - 5 Blackwater Pugils, 2 Drowned Bones - lvl 96-98

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Edited, Oct 22nd 2014 11:00am by Malithar

I see that all these discussion is about lvling healing skill? Frankly, I have been lvling healing skills alot lately, tried using the undead method and pure cure on trusts npc. From my many hours of skill lvling, I should say that just spamming cure on your trust npc is way way faster than spamming cures on undead. Give it a try, if it works for you, it will open you up to alot of other lvling spots. I usually have a cure marco set on my tank trust npc and just spam it until it is maxed. takes around 20-40 mins max. My divine and enhancing skills are also maxed this way. For enhancing just spam erase on your tank after you banish the mob :p

Hope this helps. No point getting angst over silly camp issue.

PS: This is done while I am exping.

Edited, Oct 24th 2014 1:51am by Lothwyn