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Hi. so far I am O/13. thief solo fighting, TH always at 10 or 11, using trusts and NPR fellow. Should I keep going to like 30 try's or do I need to party with more theirs? This for any replies or confirmatio
Hi sry for the spelling...I meant... Party with more theifs
0/30 HQ pops so far, but I fell better when I saw someone 0/300, just keep at it! :P
TH doesn't help for KB. You always get either the Pixie Earring or this ring.
Not much else to say except, welcome to RNG.
Not much else to say except, welcome to RNG.
Hi I guess what I'm looking for is if I keepdoing this for maybe 20 more times ...do I have a reasonable chance to get the ring. If anyone has got the ring, similar to what my position is..how many attempts did it take?
FFXIDB has the ring drop rate at ~5%. That means that the over all average is ~1/20. I myself am 0/5 on this so far. I know a guy on my server that was at least 0/100. I know a few others that were 1/1.
1/66 here.
Also confirming that TH does not help on Defending Ring. The Defending Ring drops in a slot that is a 100% drop, you either get Pixie Earring or Defending Ring every time. So you can ignore TH and just kill him quickly.
Also confirming that TH does not help on Defending Ring. The Defending Ring drops in a slot that is a 100% drop, you either get Pixie Earring or Defending Ring every time. So you can ignore TH and just kill him quickly.
Hi. Thank you...will go much faster now....interesting, about all I see are thieves there lol
TH might help for getting the Savory Shank to drop from NQ Behemoth which might be why you see many THFs there; however, even if it does help, my belief is that it's only a miniscule amount and it's not worth slowly tickling him to death with a single-wielded Thief's Knife or something just to try to proc TH as high as possible.
For the Savoury Shank I found it helps just to go /thf if you don't have thf main, I get 1 every 4 or 5 behemoths. KB I gave up on after only 0/4 and I'd probably be around 6M better off if I didn't do those 4.
I would never use anything but THF for farming drops. It's practically the point of THF's existence, is getting more drops with TH. Even on KB the other drops are worth using THF on if you're even after those for any reason which would be a questionable reason these days but still, it's why you see THFs there. It's not like you will take a hour killing him on THF. Also I'm certain that those THFs have some deep down hope that everyone is wrong and that while it's a guaranteed drop of pixie or defending as they share the same drop slot, TH has a chance to better the odds for defending ring to drop, like it rolls the dice on ring first and then drops pixie if it's a fail. Meh, maybe they're right to hope for that. It would mean every other NM that works in the same manner has a better chance to drop their good drop with TH applied. I can't recall SE ever commenting on it. But if they have and said nope then that's that. I stand as uncertain. I just can't remember every Q&A they ever did.
Overall I was 1/5 on him counting groups(before ilevel when even at 99 he was still somewhat dangerous, or maybe those group kills were at 90. I forget)but I was 1/1 when I did it on my own with BST at 99, running in every so often to heal pet. So either way. There's no known way of improving your chances so all you can do is do it until, if ever, the ring drops.
I do know for a fact you want to do it solo because the worst thing ever could quite possibly be losing the lot for a pixie earring. It could possibly be the best drop in the game. Completely game changing, if you ask me. If I could equip a pixie earring on all of my equipment slots, I would. It's like the Brett Favre of FFXI.
Overall I was 1/5 on him counting groups(before ilevel when even at 99 he was still somewhat dangerous, or maybe those group kills were at 90. I forget)but I was 1/1 when I did it on my own with BST at 99, running in every so often to heal pet. So either way. There's no known way of improving your chances so all you can do is do it until, if ever, the ring drops.
I do know for a fact you want to do it solo because the worst thing ever could quite possibly be losing the lot for a pixie earring. It could possibly be the best drop in the game. Completely game changing, if you ask me. If I could equip a pixie earring on all of my equipment slots, I would. It's like the Brett Favre of FFXI.
doesn't defending ring share drop rate with pixie earring?, either pixie earring or defending ring will drop 100% of the time, so treasure hunter is unlikely to make any difference to its drop rate!
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Also I'm certain that those THFs have some deep down hope that everyone is wrong and that while it's a guaranteed drop of pixie or defending as they share the same drop slot, TH has a chance to better the odds for defending ring to drop, like it rolls the dice on ring first and then drops pixie if it's a fail.
Well, how do you know it's not the other way around? Maybe it checks for the earring first...
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Also I'm certain that those THFs have some deep down hope that everyone is wrong and that while it's a guaranteed drop of pixie or defending as they share the same drop slot, TH has a chance to better the odds for defending ring to drop, like it rolls the dice on ring first and then drops pixie if it's a fail.
TH DOES NOT AFFECT DROP RATE OF DEFENDING RING FROM KING BEHEMOTH
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Nope. If you already have an earring buried in your mog house, it chooses it as your drop and then simply doesn't give it to you. (because of how Rare drops don't drop when all party members already have one) Seriously, you think that in all these years, nobody would have thought of that already?
TH DOES NOT AFFECT DROP RATE OF DEFENDING RING FROM KING BEHEMOTH
TH DOES NOT AFFECT DROP RATE OF DEFENDING RING FROM KING BEHEMOTH
Relax, broski. I was simply saying that as a retort to all the people who think that TH would help with getting the "rare" drop more often. We have no indication that that's how it works and for all we know, it could actually make the "common" drop appear more often too.
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Nope. If you already have an earring buried in your mog house, it chooses it as your drop and then simply doesn't give it to you. (because of how Rare drops don't drop when all party members already have one) Seriously, you think that in all these years, nobody would have thought of that already?
TH DOES NOT AFFECT DROP RATE OF DEFENDING RING FROM KING BEHEMOTH
TH DOES NOT AFFECT DROP RATE OF DEFENDING RING FROM KING BEHEMOTH
Relax, broski. I was simply saying that as a retort to all the people who think that TH would help with getting the "rare" drop more often. We have no indication that that's how it works and for all we know, it could actually make the "common" drop appear more often too.
It's kind of hard to get a better drop rate than 100%.
No indication of how what works? If you're not talking about D.Ring drop rates, say what you're talking about, because check the title, this thread is about D.Ring. And if you are talking about D.Ring drop rates, then stop trolling, because there's "no indication" that it works any other way than "100% drop slot shared between two items with fixed percentages".
You're misunderstanding them. Say the odds of getting a Defending Ring to drop over Pixie Earring was 5%(/95% for Pixie). Some people argue that perhaps TH will increase that chance to say 7%, decreasing Pixie to 93%. Fyn's response was that hypothetically if TH did effect even 100% drops(obviously only when there's this either/or situation), there's "no indication" which item it would effect. Perhaps it's doing the opposite and increasing the chance Pixie Earring drops to 97%, and so decreasing the chance Defending Ring drop rate to 3%.
Numbers made up just to better illustrate.
Numbers made up just to better illustrate.
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No indication of how what works? If you're not talking about D.Ring drop rates, say what you're talking about, because check the title, this thread is about D.Ring.
How TH works with regard to a drop slot where two items (of unequal chances to drop) share the same slot.
You'd know what I was talking about if you were actually paying attention rather than just coming in here and being a blowhard for no reason.
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And if you are talking about D.Ring drop rates, then stop trolling, because there's "no indication" that it works any other way than "100% drop slot shared between two items with fixed percentages".
My point, exactly. Which, again, you would know if you were actually reading the posts.
There are people who think that TH helps the rarer item to drop (in this case, the dring). I'm refuting that by saying that there is no indication TH works that way and for all we know, it could be the opposite. There's no reason to automatically assume that it helps the rarer item to drop.
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You're misunderstanding them. Say the odds of getting a Defending Ring to drop over Pixie Earring was 5%(/95% for Pixie). Some people argue that perhaps TH will increase that chance to say 7%, decreasing Pixie to 93%. Fyn's response was that hypothetically if TH did effect even 100% drops(obviously only when there's this either/or situation), there's "no indication" which item it would effect. Perhaps it's doing the opposite and increasing the chance Pixie Earring drops to 97%, and so decreasing the chance Defending Ring drop rate to 3%.
Numbers made up just to better illustrate.
Numbers made up just to better illustrate.
See, this guy gets it.
Edited, Aug 23rd 2014 6:48am by Fynlar
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You're misunderstanding them. Say the odds of getting a Defending Ring to drop over Pixie Earring was 5%(/95% for Pixie). Some people argue that perhaps TH will increase that chance to say 7%, decreasing Pixie to 93%. Fyn's response was that hypothetically if TH did effect even 100% drops(obviously only when there's this either/or situation), there's "no indication" which item it would effect. Perhaps it's doing the opposite and increasing the chance Pixie Earring drops to 97%, and so decreasing the chance Defending Ring drop rate to 3%.
"Perhaps", huh? If that was true, the math wizard types would have noticed it LONG ago. If you want to do some actual research and get numbers from it, fine. You can have all the wishful thinking you want, but you have absolutely zero evidence that TH affects multi-item drop slots.
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Numbers made up just to better illustrate.
With an emphasis on "made up". Call me when you guys have some actual numbers to indicate that TH has any kind of effect here.
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"Perhaps", huh? If that was true, the math wizard types would have noticed it LONG ago. If you want to do some actual research and get numbers from it, fine. You can have all the wishful thinking you want, but you have absolutely zero evidence that TH affects multi-item drop slots.
Wow, no kidding. That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Again, which you would have noticed if your ability to read was anywhere near as good as your ability to be needlessly confrontational.
And based on this thread, clearly there's people who are not "math wizard" types, otherwise they still wouldn't be fussed about trying to bring THF and stack up TH to try to get this ring.
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"Perhaps", huh? If that was true, the math wizard types would have noticed it LONG ago. If you want to do some actual research and get numbers from it, fine. You can have all the wishful thinking you want, but you have absolutely zero evidence that TH affects multi-item drop slots
You sir have have absolutely no evidence that TH does not affect multi-item drop slots.
Although we DO take it for granted that TH does not in fact affect a guaranteed drop slot of 2+ items what if Fyn is correct and TH makes the drop with the highesht chance of dropping drop more frequently. It could even be a glitch that SE has never addressed or subsequent result that occurred when TH moved from TH2+2 to reaching the heights of TH10+
There are a lot of people making statements here without showing any testing to back up their claims. I know testing has been done but I believe most to be outdated since the change to TH some 4 years ago.
my appologies, lag made me miss the claim.
Double
Edited, Aug 24th 2014 6:57am by Sandmasterr
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Edited, Aug 24th 2014 6:57am by Sandmasterr
valid wrote:
You're misunderstanding them. Say the odds of getting a Defending Ring to drop over Pixie Earring was 5%(/95% for Pixie). Some people argue that perhaps TH will increase that chance to say 7%, decreasing Pixie to 93%. Fyn's response was that hypothetically if TH did effect even 100% drops(obviously only when there's this either/or situation), there's "no indication" which item it would effect. Perhaps it's doing the opposite and increasing the chance Pixie Earring drops to 97%, and so decreasing the chance Defending Ring drop rate to 3%.
Numbers made up just to better illustrate.
Numbers made up just to better illustrate.
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Sandmasterr wrote:
There are a lot of people making statements here without showing any testing to back up their claims. I know testing has been done but I believe most to be outdated since the change to TH some 4 years ago.
No one has actually made any claims/statements that TH does or does not effect it though. This was all hypothetical as far as I can tell, which makes Elwyn's outburst even more hilarious to be honest.
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