Feeling useless ingame and losing hope.Follow

Ever think about leveling whm, brd, sch, or cor? Not to play full time but just enough to gear out a job you like to play. Lots of people (including myself) have leveled jobs to be useful and get into groups. If you don't have the experience to make your own groups. Or have the connections to get you into groups. You're clearly unhappy and not having fun. Why not level a job thats desired and be unhappy and not having fun with a goal that in a few weeks you'll be able to enjoy what ever job you want to play?

Edited, Oct 16th 2013 11:28pm by TikkaofLakshmi

You could always just buy wins for 35 million gil to get the KIs to gear yourself up, or play a different game like I'm doing right now.

The ffxiah job forums is a really good place to start.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/forum/83/jobs

Filling in healing/support rolls like that you don't need the best gear. But you do need your skills capped or near capped. Which could mean you might spend a couple days curing skeletons in Abyssea to level healing magic. Or doing equally mind numbingly boring things to level another skill.

I think I agree with Camiie on the job role here. If you play whm and you are good at it then chances are you will be stuck on whm. Pretty much everyone seems to have a whm job stuffed somewhere but they never play it and just play something else.

I think the lack of crafted and AH-able equipments that are equivalent to end-game rare/ex gear is probably the main reason for this gap. The few weapons that can be sold are exceedingly expensive into the tens of millions.

There are a few issues in play here.

1. Too many DD jobs to fill too few spots. This has been an issue pretty much as far back as anybody can remember. A typical Delve alliance will only have about 6 DDs. You'll want to have at least 2 MNKs for blunt damage, Formless Strikes, and Mantra. You'll want a DRG for piercing damage and Angon. That leaves only 3 slots for the rest of the DD. SAM is nice and versatile with strong slashing damage, non-elemenal damage, and even ranged damage. BLU brings magic damage and non-elemental damage. It's just really tough to get in as a DD when so many spots are spoken for. IIRC, WAR is your pet job Camiie. It's hard to fit a WAR into an alliance with such strict requirements (although in my linkshell we always brought a WAR because he was an excellent player and it wasn't worth bringing something else that was better on paper).

2. The gear has polarized the DD population. You either have Delve mega-boss gear or you don't, and you don't you're pretty much fighting a losing battle. If you don't have Oatixurs you have no hope of getting into a 1-5+boss group. People just won't invite you because there are enough players out there who have Oats already that leaders can be choosy. You can make up the difference with Skirmish weapons in theory, but the perception is such that you still won't be invited.

3. Unfortunately that means that you have to level something that is less gear-dependent to get your foot in the door so you can start accruing plasm and getting mega boss wins. In the past, I've recommended WHM, GEO, and COR. People have high standards for BRDs and if a 3-4 song BRD comes along you're not going to be invited if you only have 2 songs. However, unlike in my previous example, this kind of BRD is not common and ally leaders cannot afford to be as picky. You can also get in as a SCH stunner, and you can get by with skirmish gear, Apamajas II (still a lot of work even today), and relic +2 feet. Relic +2 legs are also a huge bonus. A good stunner will be remembered and you will be in high demand if you can get good at it.

To the OP, I would recommend to level a support or healing job so you can start getting your wins and building up your plasm. If you're unwilling to do that, then it's highly unlikely that you'll be able to acquire Delve mega boss gear unless you merc it. Another option is to simply just lower your expectations and goals. You don't need Delve gear to complete anything except Delve itself. Maybe Skirmish and Plasm weapons are enough to get you by in your daily gameplay.

Its a brd with a emp weapon. Allowing you to use more then 2 songs.

I did level COR to get inside Delve and I don't regret it, doubles as a Wildkeeper job too :P To be honest, levelling a support or healing classe changes the mood abit too, you get to see the other side of the coin ;) If you really wanna go DD, DRK/SAM/DRG/BLU can do really well with a skirmish+1 weapon augmented with a Verdigris stone+2 until you get some mega bosses drops since most of those weapons get higher base damage. Getting Skirmish 2 access ain't so bad, can use those login points to get some T3 body/helm parts and usually ppl ask for BLM/SCH/GEO to nuke the living daylights of those fights. I recently spammed Rala Waterways/Cirdas Cavers/Yorcia weald to get most weapons and 25/25 armor+shield of those fights, took me like 6 Cirda and Rala, 15 Yorcia at most and I actually made a profit too!
Just stick with it, since you have lvl 90 empy, could just grind some dyna for some quick cash to buy ilvl crafted weapons or merc a run or 2 to get enough plasm to get base armor and such too.

I just want to point out to people saying "oh just level a support job" other than BST (which I bemoaned being useless for groups but never expected invites on) my level 99 jobs (skilled/geared appropriate for grouping) were BLU, BRD and WHM.

I have never ever once played a DD in endgame. When delve first came out I was excited cause it seemed like I might finally get a chance to try playing a DD out - but I had to work for a month straight after the expansion released and I never caught up after missing the initial "zombie win" phase (even though I had a nice shell when I came back and they did get me a couple wins)

To be fair I found plasm farming as a BRD so boring/stressful that I didn't take full advantage of the short burst of time where I could get a lot of parties - I took a couple weeks off, came back, found my shell gone, all the shouts dead... and my friends list empty.

Now I don't have any incentive to come back. I didn't have an empy/megaweapon to get buffed... I have nothing to work towards... the game has moved on and left me behind.

Edited, Oct 19th 2013 6:26pm by Olorinus

That is the way it has always been. If you wanted into a good LS you either had to know someone or have support job and was willing to go to every event as such. Sure there was the ash and trash sky/dyna shells that took what ever they could get but that content was **** easy and if all else failed could just use body chunk or any other event you weren't locked into a max of 18 people. Really how is to day much different then back in the day when people never pug endgame cause pops took forever to build or you had to out claim people.

Merc wins are going for far less then 30 mil now on most servers could most likely get a toji win for 10mil and dibs on all the gear.

As far as support jobs go, if one were to go down that road do cor. Highly in demand easy to gear up and no magic skilling needed. If you can do a cor rotation which isn't hard. Set you sights lower do skirmish shouts pretty nice event good rewards with most are on par with plasma weapons and gear and some a some of it is better then plasma gear(and weapon if drg). BGwiki has a nice section on skirmish and had maps for the most popular Tiers.

As for the 3 to 4 song brds only, most groups will bend on that if they have been shouting for a long time and you can show them you have maxed march, understand how to do a brd rotation. You can win with three two song brds if you can do a fast brd rotation.


Edited, Oct 20th 2013 5:46am by RavennofTitan

This here is one of the major reasons I left. I still miss the game, but more for Monstrosity. I might come back when the bigger updates for that drop just to see the chaos it causes :D

And nyzul and maybe salvage but never seen many pug shouts for it was the only endgame events that you could pug. Everything else you needed a LS, if you wanted a LS that did more then sky and dyna you needed a good LS and those you needed great gear to get in on a DD job only char. So really I see it no different then back in the day instead of sky and dyna for the people that refused to level a support job to get into a good LS you have skirmish and skirmish 2.

A good player can still do that and do it well but they have to sell them selves. Drg is the easiest to sell if you know the job. With a skirmish +1 polearm(even the base weapon was far better the the plasma polearm) augmented relic +2 body and hands would be more then enough for a boss run. But they have to sell it. They have to explain that jump under spirit surge effect adds a def down effect and with the extra 20 secs from the body allows you to get two of them in get lucky with wild card and you can keep def down on Tojil almost the whole fight if the rest of the ally is not retarded and refuse to brd/cor swap if it is a pug(good LSs can get away with out it but pugs are pugs). Same goes for 2 song brds.

There is a way around Delve. However since its far and between to see a Wildskeeper Reive starting up. You'll need at least 1 ki from any wildskeeper reive win to enter delve, and the bee is the easiest. The forefront gear piecemealed with some Neo Nyzule parts will get stats to 106 ish. Monks still hotswap Thaumas coat in and out between melee and weapon skill damage for example. Blm can get a boost with Voay staffs untill they farm Hagondes parts or Delve parts.

Then start farming weapons in Skirmish Rala and Cirdas. People still shout for them and depending on level and setup can be ran through with 5 people. Skirmish Yorcia is around 110 ~113 in content level Whm's can manage healing blm's can get into trouble without all that mab. Unless your a second blm, healer or support. Stick with teir 1 untill you collected enough skirmish armor, wings, and use the random KI to upgrade those farmed skirmish weapons to +1 as soon as you get it (can only hold 1 KI at a time).

Give it enough time to farm and your +1 weapons and gear set will be around 113. From there you can get into Delve boss runs they will still take mnks with Rigors or Ninzas +1 (provided the level or quality of augments on the gear). Sch kinda needs to have twilight cloak for impact, and took the time to get a good fastcast set and be on the dime for stun rotation on Tojil. Delve 1~5 + in Morimar is the easiest provided you are familiar with Volitile Matamata farming and know never to use formless, any magic dmg, or skill chains on the raptor. Even if you fail on Tojil you'll get the Ki's to unlock most of the delve gear in that area and free loot on what the NM's drop. If you defeat Tojil you get it's KI and access to all the loot via NPC, and around 70k~73k or so in plasma. With 4 Tojil wins you stand a good chance to loot a weapon you'd need (h2h is kinda common), or can buy it from the npc. Once you get some boss gear you can move on to the Shark and Bee Delve runs and you're all caught up, and more than ready for the naakul in the next expansion area.


Edited, Oct 21st 2013 7:01pm by akudama