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#1 Sep 19 2013 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello, Everyone,

Rather than share my nostalgia story from my previous tenure, I'd like to ask a few very specific soloing questions regarding a possible return to the game - as a brand new player starting from scratch. Just a brief history though, I'm coming from the LV75-era and I retired roughly a fairly short time after Wings of the Goddess released.

I'd like to say I have read through quite a few wonderful threads, blogs and other online guides that target new/returning players to get them up to speed. What I am unable to find, however, are the small details that make up the big picture in getting to all the new end-game content solo (as a new player). If these specific questions have been answered here in this forum, then I apologize. So, my questions are going to be based on a hypothetical scenario that the server I end up on is dead - ie; I am the only player occupying the world. The reason I am asking in this manner is because my decision to return may be based on the responses I get here.

Here is my overall expanded question:

As a new player starting with absolutely nothing, can I solo (no help from anyone) my way to level 75 and beyond having completed the necessary critical quests (sub-job, AF1, Genkai, etc) and being able to obtain decent gear appropriate for my level along the way? This question has in mind all the new features, perks and options that are available now that weren't back in the day that could help me in this. My goal is to go Beastmaster and undertake that quest as soon as possible. But soloing the quest NM's and AF requirements are a concern for me (or with any basic job).

It is what it is. Unless there are new advantages available, I know I still wont be able to waltz over to Valkurm Dunes and solo my sub-job items as a lowbie. I've read about a quest that allows access behind the Banishing Gates in GC, which obviously required 4 people back then. You can see where my line of thinking is now regarding previous requirements that used to/still do need multiple people. I want to be able to know in advance which jobs I might be locked out of simply because I'm going solo; however, Beastmaster is my ultimate goal - at least at this point. I have a feeling it is the job that I am going to need to successfully survive and do well in the game today - versus the game from 2005.

ANY detailed strategies that begin with level 1 and work onwards towards unlocking, say, Beastmaster - as well as tackling critical missions, quests and farming will be greatly appreciated.

Lastly, since I'm not anti-social I need to just throw out there that if anyone is still active presently, and doesn't mind someone fresh off the boat joining your linkshell, you'd have my gratitude indeed. I would even be willing to select a specific server simply based on this information ahead of time. I need to also say that having a family, a full-time job and a life, I can't play the game like I used to 8+ years ago (all day, no sleep, etc). It would be casual BUT I am interested in playing gradually towards a modest doable end-game setup. I'm not going through the registration and log-in hassle just to walk around the Sarutabaruta for nostalgia purposes! :)

Thank you in advance to whoever takes the time to respond to this. I appreciate it.

#2 Sep 19 2013 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
I think beastmaster is a good choice for this.

You can actually solo the mobs for subjob items by level 22 or so in Valkurm (the crab by level 16 even) if you start out as a WAR.

It'll be a lonely road, but Grounds of Valor in dungeons is the fastest means of leveling. In your hypothetical situation you will be the only one fighting and will have no competition for mobs, but in a happy reality there already be a few people there to team up with, which will speed things up. Alone you can easily net 2-3K/hour.

Solo, switching to Abyssea at level 30 is not viable. So you'll have to change out from Gusgen Mines once you're no longer getting exp there, around level 25, up to the beastman dungeons or whatever the next level dungeon is. Or change to field areas and abuse the heck out of the exp rings. Using a ring, I was able to solo at near 6K/exp an hour in Jugner forest on level 29 GEO with Fields of Valor.

As for needing a linkshell: there is, in fact, a shell on one server that specializes in returning players. Hopefully one of those guys will pop into this thread to give you contact information. My shell is now a closed social with semi-retired players that only meet 2-3 times a week so I don't think we'd be a good fit for a returnee starting from scratch.
#3 Sep 19 2013 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi, Catwho,

Thank you for responding. The information is very helpful. Do you by chance know if it's possible to solo AF and decent gear along the way with the new changes to the game? Even years ago I'm not sure a Beastmaster could solo all their AF pieces, but that might have changed with the new content - I'm not sure yet. Coincidentally, I was actually leveling Beastmaster at the time I retired. I was around level 63 or so. It was going to be my 8th level 75 job. But I don't remember if I had soloed all the AF for it. Dark Spark and the Eld Necrop Hound NM's weren't an issue then because I had a fully decked out character to do those with. I wont have those luxuries now.

Honestly, it's not that I strictly want to play solo. It's more that I've read about the remaining player-base being more about end-game content rather than helping someone who is staring at the business end of 11+ years worth of content to do. So I'm trying to have the mindset that I would be fending for myself as a returning player.

I've been reading up on Abyssea and everything else post-Wings of the Goddess. It's all pretty overwhelming to be honest. It seems that's where people are blazing to level 99, but I can't say I have friends currently playing that would extend me the courtesy of leeching. :)

I do appreciate the info, though. Thank you.
#4 Sep 19 2013 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
Not at the levels they are immediately available, but if you wait until you are a bit later, there's no doubt that a BST could probably handle most of the AF fights.

(BST may be one of the last jobs that even really needs to bother with AF, to be honest, since some bonuses are unique to the pieces.)

BST can also solo their relic armor now, since the changes that occurred to Dynamis. A BST/DNC is one of the most effective jobs for farming Dynamis coins.

Due to changes in older expansions, such as CoP, a BST could blaze on through that older content at level 99 since the level cap was lifted on the little fights. Even the WotG final fight could be solo'd by a competant BST (we trio'd it with x2 BST and a WHM, and the WHM died leaving it all to the BSTs who had no problems finishing it.)

Abyssea content is designed for 75+ and SE nerfed some of the stuff that made BST the king of Abyssea for a while (like Atma of the Ducal Guard) so it'll be a bit tougher to solo that. Abyssea content is still being shouted for, however, just not as often.
#5 Sep 19 2013 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Catwho wrote:
Not at the levels they are immediately available, but if you wait until you are a bit later, there's no doubt that a BST could probably handle most of the AF fights.

(BST may be one of the last jobs that even really needs to bother with AF, to be honest, since some bonuses are unique to the pieces.)

BST can also solo their relic armor now, since the changes that occurred to Dynamis. A BST/DNC is one of the most effective jobs for farming Dynamis coins.

Due to changes in older expansions, such as CoP, a BST could blaze on through that older content at level 99 since the level cap was lifted on the little fights. Even the WotG final fight could be solo'd by a competant BST (we trio'd it with x2 BST and a WHM, and the WHM died leaving it all to the BSTs who had no problems finishing it.)

Abyssea content is designed for 75+ and SE nerfed some of the stuff that made BST the king of Abyssea for a while (like Atma of the Ducal Guard) so it'll be a bit tougher to solo that. Abyssea content is still being shouted for, however, just not as often.


Awesome, Catwho,

Thanks again for all the information. I appreciate it very much!

Do you by chance know of any rare/ex gear worth having as a leveling BST pre-level 75? I want to take my progress in doses or milestones, so I'd be concerned about post-level 75 later. I've read the Gaudy Harness is still a great piece to have. Any other rare/ex? I've read about the Ducal Guard, but I honestly haven't researched enough about what's required to obtain it. I did see that it's important for me to get to Port Jeuno as soon as possible to begin the Traverse Stone quest (correct me if my info is wrong), but we'll see if I'm able to get there right away or not.

Again, thank you for the insight and information.
#6 Sep 19 2013 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
Aside from the AF and relic, I don't think so. Abyssea's level 78 starter sets already trump most pre-75 gear. I think the kitty pants from {sky} were finally replaced by the new armor in Skirmishes, and at this point seem to require less effort.
#7 Sep 19 2013 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Catwho wrote:
Aside from the AF and relic, I don't think so. Abyssea's level 78 starter sets already trump most pre-75 gear. I think the kitty pants from {sky} were finally replaced by the new armor in Skirmishes, and at this point seem to require less effort.


Okay, thank you for all the information. I'm grateful that you took the time to respond.
#8 Sep 19 2013 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
KupoNuts wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Aside from the AF and relic, I don't think so. Abyssea's level 78 starter sets already trump most pre-75 gear. I think the kitty pants from {sky} were finally replaced by the new armor in Skirmishes, and at this point seem to require less effort.


Okay, thank you for all the information. I'm grateful that you took the time to respond.


No worries, still in a lull at work Smiley: smile
#9 Sep 19 2013 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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All the stuff that was good before is still good - like peacock charm, emp pin, leaping boots etc. Bright side is not so many people to fight for for the mobs anymore.

(I mean for while you are leveling up anyway)

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 1:42pm by Olorinus
#10 Sep 19 2013 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
All the stuff that was good before is still good - like peacock charm, emp pin, leaping boots etc. Bright side is not so many people to fight for for the mobs anymore.

(I mean for while you are leveling up anyway)

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 1:42pm by Olorinus


Hey, Olorinus,

Thanks for the heads up! It's nice to know that the old items are still useful.

Much appreciated.

Oh, real quick.. I'm asking this simply because I don't know the answer yet: Is it possible to solo Rank 10, Sky and Sea access?

EDIT: I mean soloable without being level 99 and fully decked out in all the best gear.


Edited, Sep 19th 2013 5:34pm by KupoNuts
#11 Sep 19 2013 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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KupoNuts wrote:
Is it possible to solo Rank 10, Sky and Sea access?


All pre-abyssea missions are basically solo-able by any lv 99 character with decent easily obtained gear, provided that char has some decent defensive abilities (like being /dnc). Sky accessed is easy to solo.

For Sea access, you'll need to pass a mission that requires two characters to press 2 different switches simultaneously. I've heard it's possible to accomplish this solo by standing by the first switch, unplugging your internet cable, hitting one, running to the other and hitting it, then reconnecting you internet cable, all before disconnecting.
#12 Sep 19 2013 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Another thing to look at is Magian Trial weapons. The pet -pdt 11% axes are pretty ace. They help more with a lot of older solos than almost anything else.

I don't know what is possible in terms of sea/sky access since I don't have it myself... almost want to join you to get it... ha ha ha

And yeah the coral key part is definitely not reasonably soloable. Which is a real bummer. I was stuck there for awhile before a buddy helped me out.

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 3:41pm by Olorinus
#13 Sep 19 2013 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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Is it possible to solo Rank 10, Sky and Sea access?

Depending on which city, it might be possible to solo Rank 10. Other than 5-1 (Which I'm not sure is capped at 50 anymore or not) I was able to solo/duo all of Sandoria as either bst or blu. For the multiple mob fights, just use the old trick of letting all but 1 mob despawn before killing it. I think it is Bastok 9-1 that might be a sticking point, since you can be overwhelmed by mobs since it keeps splitting. I got my rank 10 in all cities before the level increase, and never had a full party of 6 for any of them.

The tombstone pilgramage might be tricky when it comes to sky access, since most of those fights will spawn 2 mobs that would make it rough for a solo player at 75. I think that if you waited until 80 or 85, that might be enough to make a difference if you do it on your own.
#14 Sep 19 2013 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
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DomfranciscoOfIfrit wrote:
KupoNuts wrote:
Is it possible to solo Rank 10, Sky and Sea access?


All pre-abyssea missions are basically solo-able by any lv 99 character with decent easily obtained gear, provided that char has some decent defensive abilities (like being /dnc). Sky accessed is easy to solo.

For Sea access, you'll need to pass a mission that requires two characters to press 2 different switches simultaneously. I've heard it's possible to accomplish this solo by standing by the first switch, unplugging your internet cable, hitting one, running to the other and hitting it, then reconnecting you internet cable, all before disconnecting.


Hey there,

Can you possibly elaborate on gear of particular interest that is obtainable solo? The thing is, I'd like to be able to accomplish much of the questing before undertaking what I'm sure will be difficult limit break quests in getting from 90 to 99. Actually, let me back up a bit.. Are there limit break quests every 5 levels starting with level 80 and so forth?

Thank you for the heads up on the COP particulars with that mission. That's good to know! Naturally, I've remembered quite a bit of the details, but forgotten other things like the 2-person key requirement. I'm trying to picture a BST taking on the 3 Shikaree Mithra NM's at Boneyard Gully. To imagine such a thing solo back in... '05 was it? - it wasn't even a conceivable thought.

Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
Another thing to look at is Magian Trial weapons. The pet -pdt 11% axes are pretty ace. They help more with a lot of older solos than almost anything else.

I don't know what is possible in terms of sea/sky access since I don't have it myself... almost want to join you to get it... ha ha ha

And yeah the coral key part is definitely not reasonably soloable. Which is a real bummer. I was stuck there for awhile before a buddy helped me out.

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 3:41pm by Olorinus


I've been reading up on the new content, particularly Abyssea so I can at least begin understanding what all the terminologies and discussion points are. I haven't looked into the new Seekers expansion whatsoever simply because I'm assuming up front that nothing from that expansion will be within my reach any time soon (unless there are low level items obtainable relatively easily).

I've been looking at the Ducal Guard atma and those -PDT 11% axes, but right now it seems like that's a long ways away for me to hope for. In my mind, I'm mentally revisiting my time with the game the first time around and trying to figure out a roadmap (so to speak) in how I would make the most of my time coming back and redoing everything (presumable solo).

Can I ask which server you are on? If you aren't in a hurry and don't mind waiting on me to figure out which version I want to get (PC or Xbox) then I'd be happy to connect in-game at some point. Obviously, I would have nothing to offer since I will be as new as new can get (again). But I'd be grateful for the friendship.

Thanks for all the helpful info, guys! I really appreciate it.
#15 Sep 19 2013 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Is it possible to solo Rank 10, Sky and Sea access?

Depending on which city, it might be possible to solo Rank 10. Other than 5-1 (Which I'm not sure is capped at 50 anymore or not) I was able to solo/duo all of Sandoria as either bst or blu. For the multiple mob fights, just use the old trick of letting all but 1 mob despawn before killing it. I think it is Bastok 9-1 that might be a sticking point, since you can be overwhelmed by mobs since it keeps splitting. I got my rank 10 in all cities before the level increase, and never had a full party of 6 for any of them.

The tombstone pilgramage might be tricky when it comes to sky access, since most of those fights will spawn 2 mobs that would make it rough for a solo player at 75. I think that if you waited until 80 or 85, that might be enough to make a difference if you do it on your own.


Hey, Xantav,

Thanks for the perspective. I was originally Rank 10 from Windurst. Many of the mission requirements and specific details are foggy to be honest. I don't even remember the tombstone quest you mentioned.

Much appreciated!
#16 Sep 19 2013 at 5:57 PM Rating: Good
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KupoNuts wrote:

Can I ask which server you are on? If you aren't in a hurry and don't mind waiting on me to figure out which version I want to get (PC or Xbox) then I'd be happy to connect in-game at some point. Obviously, I would have nothing to offer since I will be as new as new can get (again). But I'd be grateful for the friendship.


I am on Asura. I can't promise I'd play a lot and I don't really have any active LSes or anything atm (not subbed currently) so if you get someone who wants to be more intense, don't feel like you need to join my server - but I am actually interested in completing some of that old story content that I still haven't finished.

Most of the good R/EX gear is not really soloable... and by "good" I mean stuff that used to be good before adoulin... although some of the adoulin gear is technically soloable, it would be a pretty big pain to farm all that balyd wearing abyssea clothes.
#17 Sep 19 2013 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
KupoNuts wrote:

Can I ask which server you are on? If you aren't in a hurry and don't mind waiting on me to figure out which version I want to get (PC or Xbox) then I'd be happy to connect in-game at some point. Obviously, I would have nothing to offer since I will be as new as new can get (again). But I'd be grateful for the friendship.


I am on Asura. I can't promise I'd play a lot and I don't really have any active LSes or anything atm (not subbed currently) so if you get someone who wants to be more intense, don't feel like you need to join my server - but I am actually interested in completing some of that old story content that I still haven't finished.

Most of the good R/EX gear is not really soloable... and by "good" I mean stuff that used to be good before adoulin... although some of the adoulin gear is technically soloable, it would be a pretty big pain to farm all that balyd wearing abyssea clothes.


Asura, okay. Yeah, I understand that there are no guarantees for playtime, and I'd expect that. I think finding a small group of people who perhaps get together a few times a week (or less) to connect in the game would be ideal, but for now I wont have such expectations.

I know I wont be getting my Dalmatica and Ridill again, so there are no delusions of grandeur there, lol. I just know that despite the changes in the game dynamics compared to back then, rare/ex items are generally better than crafted. This is true yes?
#18 Sep 19 2013 at 10:16 PM Rating: Excellent
Depends really. There are a number of crafted weapons for example (Razorfury, Pamun, Senbaak Nagan, etc) that are the absolute best for the moment for that particular weapon type. In general though, the best gear is still Rare/ex.
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#19 Sep 19 2013 at 10:24 PM Rating: Good
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I've noticed that pretty much every "I'm a returning player" topic gives the advice "you should level BST"
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#20 Sep 20 2013 at 6:39 AM Rating: Good
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I've noticed that pretty much every "I'm a returning player" topic gives the advice "you should level BST"


Only when they say "I want to solo as much as possible."

If the question was, "What job should I level to be guaranteed as much group content as I could ever want?" the answer would still be WHM. RDM, SCH, and BLM are niche jobs. PLD is highly in demand only if you've spent 100 million gil on a 99 Ochain.

Even bard, the long time superlative winner of "Most likely to be invited to an alliance" has become competitive with everyone demanding 3-4 song bards. Smiley: bah
#21 Sep 20 2013 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
Depends really. There are a number of crafted weapons for example (Razorfury, Pamun, Senbaak Nagan, etc) that are the absolute best for the moment for that particular weapon type. In general though, the best gear is still Rare/ex.


I looked up those weapons. I can't appreciate the value in what those are simply because I'm currently long since detached from the game. I can relate to the significance of having waited a year and a half for a Ridill, though.

Catwho wrote:
Erecia wrote:
I've noticed that pretty much every "I'm a returning player" topic gives the advice "you should level BST"


Only when they say "I want to solo as much as possible."

If the question was, "What job should I level to be guaranteed as much group content as I could ever want?" the answer would still be WHM. RDM, SCH, and BLM are niche jobs. PLD is highly in demand only if you've spent 100 million gil on a 99 Ochain.

Even bard, the long time superlative winner of "Most likely to be invited to an alliance" has become competitive with everyone demanding 3-4 song bards. Smiley: bah


I will most likely level WHM and possibly BLM up again, especially since I had both of those jobs at 75 back in the day. I also had a 75 BRD, but I didn't have the Gjallarhorn (which seems to be a requirement now for end-game content?). I looked at the updated spell list, and all I can say is wow! I also looked at the current prices. I can't believe Utsusemi Ni is going for over 1 million gil. That's insane compared to when I played, lol.

My desire to solo has to do with my approach to coming back to the game casually - not super hardcore like back in the day. I also have to accept the possibility that I may not have any help whatsoever with quests, missions and the like. So, I chose to have the right mindset about soloing before I start playing again, as opposed to logging into my server only then to realize I'm on a secluded island on the opposite side of the world (where everyone else is).




Edited, Sep 20th 2013 9:54am by KupoNuts
#22 Sep 20 2013 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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Ridill wouldn't really be that hard...

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DUO- Easy Duo @ 99, Rudra's Thf(me) + whm/rdm. just chip away on HP and stack TH and hope you get your Rid or HQ PI. Fight took about 20 mins or so, Good Luck. Gevon-Asura


Very easy trio at 90 by RDM/SCH, NIN/WAR, PLD/NIN.

Trio'd as 90 by Akirane WHM/RDM, Shakalaka DNC/NIN and me (Eblan) THF/NIN. Fight was very easy. Fafnir kept terrorizing the dancer and me, but we kinda kept bouncing hate so we took turns tanking while the other one was terror'd. WHM kept rebuffing haste, regen, pro and shell since buffs kept being dispelled. Fight was very easy and went smoothly. Took around 15 mins. No Ridill with Treasure Hunter lvl 9 lol.


I mean aside from drop rates/getting pops etc...

Also no one really seems to care (from what catwho says anyway) if you have a ghorn. Obvs it's nice, especially as an inventory saver, but it is the Dharp (empyrean harp) that people want you to have, because it allows you to sing 3-4 songs depending on what stage you have it at. Pretty much impossible to compete with. A tick or two of refresh or whatever is one thing - an entire extra bard or even half of an extra bard is another...



Edited, Sep 20th 2013 10:38am by Olorinus
#23 Sep 20 2013 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
Ridill wouldn't really be that hard...

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DUO- Easy Duo @ 99, Rudra's Thf(me) + whm/rdm. just chip away on HP and stack TH and hope you get your Rid or HQ PI. Fight took about 20 mins or so, Good Luck. Gevon-Asura


Very easy trio at 90 by RDM/SCH, NIN/WAR, PLD/NIN.

Trio'd as 90 by Akirane WHM/RDM, Shakalaka DNC/NIN and me (Eblan) THF/NIN. Fight was very easy. Fafnir kept terrorizing the dancer and me, but we kinda kept bouncing hate so we took turns tanking while the other one was terror'd. WHM kept rebuffing haste, regen, pro and shell since buffs kept being dispelled. Fight was very easy and went smoothly. Took around 15 mins. No Ridill with Treasure Hunter lvl 9 lol.


I mean aside from drop rates/getting pops etc...

Edited, Sep 20th 2013 10:30am by Olorinus


It's truly amazing that Fafnir can be soloed/duo'd/trio'd, etc. I come from a time when Dragon's Aery was an over-crowded zone where it took an alliance to defeat him, or at least a skilled party of 12. And of course that was pending on whether or not you could actually see Fafnir due to the crazy lag from all the players in the zone.

I don't understand the particulars with the latest Treasure Hunter changes, but I can remember how long it took for me to get one. This of course was back when Rangers were the DD's. Can anyone remember that time?
#24 Sep 20 2013 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
Arrow burn!

Actually, a Wildfire COR is still one of the top DDs. Amazing what kind of numbers a well geared corsair can put out. (And yet, they're reduced to glorified buffers in most fights...)

Edit: And if a Dharp bard is trying to use Dharp as a replacement instrument (in the way that Ghorn is) they're actually not helping all that much. They need to sing the songs once with the Dharp, then re-sing them with a proper instrument (e.g. a +3 march horn) for them to actually provide an advantage. Dharp at 90+ increases the duration but not the potency of March, so a +4 March bard can achieve better results with a single Victory March and a single Valor Minuet V than a 3 song bard can with double March and a Minuet!

(So if you see a Dharp bard not changing instruments and singing songs twice, slap them.)

Edited, Sep 20th 2013 3:26pm by Catwho
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