jobs todayFollow

WAR - Very good DD, would put it in the top tier range.
MNK - Situationally top tier DD, those situations being most of the time.
THF - TH b*tch, yes.
Black Mage - Not so much top tier DD with the new content.
RDM - Situationally useful in new content for enfeebling.
WHM - Top tier healer.
BRD - Very much sought after for new content, but have been seeing more and more shouts for 3-4 songs onry.
BST - Role hasn't changed much.
DRK - Top tier DD.
PLD - Aegis/Ochain or gtfo, usually.
RNG - Situationally useful for dd.
SMN - Might be making a real comeback with new update to avatar damage based on ammo slot.
DRG - Good dd, situationally top tier. Angon b*tch.
NIN - Abyssea + Voidwatch all-star.
SAM - Top tier DD.
BLU - Abyssea + Voidwatch all-star.
COR - Insta-invite to new content.
PUP - D PUP with the new Alternator can put out good numbers, but gets passed for other DD jobs.
DNC - Have fun soloing.
SCH - Top tier healer + enfeebler.
RUN - lol.
GEO - Sporadically useful.

Edited, Jul 19th 2013 12:27am by IKickYoDog

Truth-be-told there is no such thing as a "lol job" at the moment, people are just terrified to deviate from the cookie cutter.



Run actually functions well as a tank against mono-elemental HNM. Inspiration merits at 5/5 push the cast time and recast of all spells to stupid low levels. Enmity is not as much a problem as it used to be. Just don't try to make it a Drk that can wear Thaumas Coat.

Geo, good luck getting any Delve content done well without one or even two. Look forward to seeing what the AF brings.

Again, there is no such thing as a "lol job". People just need to grow a pair and experiment with setups.

True, but most people don't have a pair, and therefore there are still functionally "lol jobs" in the game.

All jobs seem to be useful / needed in some form of end game content with the exception of rune fencer and puppet master because both of those jobs are hybrid jobs which have other jobs that do what they do better. So my advice would be to focus on all jobs but those 2. I noticed you said you didn't want to level thief because of so many thief's but many people have most jobs leveled so that's no reason to not level thief because you never know when You will need thief.

Unfortunately, Black Mage also falls into the category of jobs that really don't have any use in current end game situations. Most other jobs have or potentially have at least something to offer in end game situations, but Black Mages really don't have anything worthwhile. They aren't as reliable as stunners and debuffers as Scholars and Red Mages are, and even with the revised elemental magic, a decent melee is going to do considerably more damage in the same time span as a good BLM is going to.

They're still used in a few situational fights, like the Delve turtle in Morimar Basalt Fields.

I'd say it's more about how adaptable you are. I know quite a few one job wonders who insisted on going to any event on their special favorite job and refused to even level other jobs (even after leveling jobs became a cakewalk) because they knew as soon as they did they'd never be allowed to come on their special snowflake job again. Whether that job was DNC or MNK or PUP, there were some events they were first the party for, and others they never got to do.

Someone who has leveled and invested in 2-3 different jobs, especially in different roles, will be far more likely to go to whatever events they want. My three primary jobs are BLM, THF, and BRD, and between the three of them I can do pretty much any content in the game now. I keep secondary jobs of WAR, WHM, and RDM, and tertiary jobs of BLU, SMN, and BST, but I could get by just fine without those extra six. (They're more for me having some variety than they are for getting into specific events.)

I would always recommend that someone level a DD job, a mage/support job, and a solo job. Leverage the mage jobs and solo jobs to build up your preferred DD job if you need to. (My BRD is nearly fully decked out, so all my gear is going to my THF or my BLM.)

Thats the thing though you shouldn't have to level other jobs to feel "relevant". Every job in this game should have a place, and be capable of performing a required role in any event. Fortunately that is the case. Every job in this game is capable of performing in any event at any time. At least as far as mechanics are concerned.The problem with jobs is that people seldom understand what jobs are capable of doing in certain roles, and that optimal is not always synonymus with required.

I hate to always go back to RDM, but it is the job I know the most and it is the most versatile job in the game. RDM CAN be a healer, a support caster, a nuker, a melee DD. Now obviously it is not the best in really any of these categories but it can and does function on an acceptable level in those categories. This doesn't mean RDM is going to perform as well as say a WAR or a BLM, or offer the healing or a WHM, or the support power of a BRD or COR. But it can do all of these things, in any content...provided you gear for it of course. (Which all jobs need to do anyway.) as a career RDM and still my #1 job option despite having half a dozen moderately geared other more "useful" jobs, I took pride in having gear sets and subjobs available for nearly every role I could have fulfilled, because that is what the job does. (I was working on finishing a tanking set, then SE nerfed that)

What it ultimately comes down to is community perception, and understanding. I have an awesome track record of sounding like a broken record so I will again.

The problem with jobs is the monkey see monkey do nature of the game. Lack of overall understanding leads people to assume that jobs are useless because they are not the optimal choice. The only thing optimal accomplishes is faster cleaner finishes...it is not a requirement to finish.

So no not having 3+ jobs isn't the problem, the problem is that people don't understand that useless doesn't exist in this game on a conceptual level. The only useless jobs are the ones that people have geared inappropriately....such as melee RDM's in Warlock/Deulist ****, instead of proper melee gear.

Who are you?

I will argue though that Geomancers wanting to get into serious Delve content will need -DT setups, since more often than not they're going to be right up there next to the mob, applying an Indi- debuff to it. As such, they'll be taking any sort of AoE damage the mob is throwing out (TP moves, magic, AoE melee attacks, etc)

They are still needed in Abyssea.

What if they do Indi-Refresh, and then a Geo-debuff on the Monster? My Geo is only 83, so I haven't done any Delve with it yet, but it seems to me that would be the way to go.

One geo can get by on the back line, but the other is taking damage. Generally one geo does indi macc out of range and geo def down on the Nm while the other does geo evasion down on the nm and indi meva down. Indi spells are not dispellable and your stun and debuff land rate is more important than a few seconds of melee debuffs dropping.

Either way, one geo must be in range. A -dt build is not expensive or time consuming, though.