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#1 Jun 25 2013 at 12:35 PM Rating: Default
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It looks like in order to play FFXI you have to be a robot and follow the same goals everyone else follows. You need to have this gear, you need these levels at 99, etc. Im sorry but I'm not going to level all jobs to 99, nor do I have time. To be told by LS mates I'm useless or my job isn't used in a plasm run just angers me. I have a life OUTSIDE of this game and I dont have the time to be leveling jobs YOU want ME to level. Im sure most people didnt level jobs because they were told to, probably because they WANT to and they want to go 100% in this game. Well I'm a PAYING PLAYER, SE never said I have to level all these jobs in order to enjoy my game. If I want to be a WHM then I shouldnt be turned down, same goes with being a BST, or a SMN. All these jobs have some use to them, and to not be allowed to join a certain run in a game because I dont have a "useful" job level ****** me off..

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#2 Jun 25 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Anyone who's been here long enough has leveled a job or two and used it to get gear for other jobs. No one expects you to level all 22 jobs to 99. But you could level one sought after job.
#3 Jun 25 2013 at 12:43 PM Rating: Default
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I don't really have time to do that, and by the time I do everyone else will be on to new and better things. The only thing I was considering leveling was my subjobs because theyre already halfway to 99 but even thats still a load on me. I am a full time college student with a job so the time I invest in this game that I oddly am in love with I want to use for what Im good at
#4 Jun 25 2013 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well the thing is other people are also paying players. You're welcome to do whatever content you want on whatever job you want - but you can't force other people to do it with you. I wish SE would balance content and jobs better to make all jobs useful, but until they do, you're stuck either soloing, playing with likeminded friends, or playing a job that strangers/less close friends need for content.

I love BST and BLU for example... but I have come to accept that no one will almost ever want me on BST, and people will only want me on BLU for niche things. That is just the way it goes sometimes. Until delve came out no one almost ever wanted my BRD either. Now it is almost an auto-invite. That's the way things go.

You don't need to level any other jobs - but you can't expect other people to invite you on those jobs to events where they aren't considered optimal. If you don't want to level other jobs, then make friends with people who aren't so concerned about being optimal and make it work. Or, solo whatever you want. Or, start a shout group and hope people don't disband when they see what you're taking to said event.

Other people also don't have a lot of time (I work fulltime to more than fulltime, have a girlfriend, like playing other videogames besides XI and I have other hobbies such as reading books, writing and making art for example) - so that is why they want to use optimal or close to optimal strategies. Cause just like you don't feel like you have the time to level another job, they don't feel like they have the time to do multiple NNI only getting to floor 60, or plasm farming parties only getting 3K per 45 minutes, or NM battles that fail

Edited, Jun 25th 2013 11:47am by Olorinus
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#5 Jun 25 2013 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I understand but why dont people like jobs like SMN or BST or WHM (apparently)? The first two do great damage, SMN also heals buffs and everything else. How is that job NOT useful? Dont get me started with WHM
#6 Jun 25 2013 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know who you think doesn't like WHM except maybe in something like NNI where SCH is preferred. I can't think of any other event that doesn't welcome whm, they may exist but I know WHM is wanted in abyssea, delve, voidwatch for sure.

Edited, Jun 25th 2013 11:51am by Olorinus
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#7 Jun 25 2013 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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There will be sometimes where people dont want a certain job for something... like EVER. Why not just give it a shot? Or just let them in? Its only one job, its not like theyre sitting there with their thumb up their *** not doing a single thing. And they have been in your LS for a very long time now.
#8 Jun 25 2013 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Your "ranting" can be replied to with this old adage:

"It may be your $12.95 but it's our $64.75 and we want you to stop wasting everyone's time and dragging us down."

Take your entitlement complex and go away. If you can't be bothered to pull up your big boy pants and actually contribute to the group in a meaningful way then don't cry when you aren't invited.

By the way? Trying to play the "life card"? Yeah, all it does is show how immature you are.
#9 Jun 25 2013 at 1:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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One reason is because SE has simply failed at job balance for high-level content. Some jobs are used a lot, some are used occasionally, some are one-ability wonders, and some just have no place anywhere. Why bring Job X when Job Y is just flat out better in every way? Unlike other games, content doesn't allow for all forms of damage, tanking, and healing to come out effectively even so lots and lots of jobs are just left out in the cold and SE can't/won't do much about it.
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#10 Jun 25 2013 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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OP, there is a world of content outside of Delve that might be better suited for your playstyle. 11 years of content are available for you to do. Why skip it? And why are you trying to do Delve? The drops for WHM and SMN are pretty mediocre. Plasm farming isn't fun, so you're not missing out on anything there.
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#11 Jun 25 2013 at 2:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bringing along "X job" just for fun is what linkshells do. Pickup groups will never do that because there's this other guy that's on a better job and has better gear and he answered at the same time you did for the shout. Simple as that.

Even though I have 20 out of the 22 jobs capped, I only play three with any regularity. Two are used in different types of group content, and one is used almost entirely for solo.

No one expects you to have more than 2-3 jobs at max gear. There simply isn't enough room in our inventories for it.

I always suggest you level at least two jobs and gear them well: One job for yourself, and one job for everyone else. Use the job that everyone else wants to get gear for the job you really want to play. (And if that job is well geared and has a good reputation from lesser content, you'd be surprised at who lets you in. You ever see a PUP destroy things in NNI? You ever see a BLU tear some Delve mobs to pieces? I have. I also know those players have a COR and a WHM they used to gear those two jobs, and are willing to come on those jobs in big group content if required.)
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#12 Jun 25 2013 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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Think of it like this...

You have paid the entrance fee to Disneyland, along with a whole bunch of other people. You are free to ride It's a Small World all you want, but most people are lining up for Space Mountain, and Splash Mountain.

But *******, that freakin' SONG!
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#13 Jun 25 2013 at 3:11 PM Rating: Default
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Viertel wrote:
Your "ranting" can be replied to with this old adage:

"It may be your $12.95 but it's our $64.75 and we want you to stop wasting everyone's time and dragging us down."

Take your entitlement complex and go away. If you can't be bothered to pull up your big boy pants and actually contribute to the group in a meaningful way then don't cry when you aren't invited.

By the way? Trying to play the "life card"? Yeah, all it does is show how immature you are.



LOL How am I immature by saying I have a life outside of FFXI? It's not like I said people who play the game more than me have no life.

Just because I don't follow the standard everyone likes to follow doesn't mean I can't contribute to the group by saving peoples asses and dealing some damage.. because I can.

I've proven people wrong but people don't seem to like to see the truth.

You're the only person who responded negatively, so it looks like you're the immature one, and you have no life yourself.

Sit down, Mary.
#14 Jun 25 2013 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I just pretend that delve and some of the new stuff doesn't exist. I don't need delve equipment or weapons at the moment because I'm nowhere ready for it. So go ahead you elitists. Embrace your power and subdefault this post because I will not be like you and hang your **** out of your pants to show it off. Cause that is all people who *have* to have the best do. Those people can **** right off.
#15 Jun 25 2013 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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SMN is only a mildly decent DD potentially once every 45 seconds. Most people would rather either have a real DD, or a real support; not a hybrid.

BST pets have actually fallen somewhat behind to the likes of PUP surprisingly, due to the huge power boost it has gotten with Alternator. The best contribution a BST can make in scenarios like Delve is to call out an appropriate pet to use Killer Instinct on their party (in any given zone, all the Delve mobs are actually of the same type or superfamily, allowing Killer Instinct to potentially take effect on all mobs in the fracture), which is something not all BSTs will necessarily have optimized or make use of.
#16 Jun 25 2013 at 3:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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After rereading the OP, it seems like the correct response is to find a different linkshell, actually.

HNM shells will usually demand that you level up jobs or bring specific jobs because their goal is to burn through as much content as fast as they can and give out prizes for those who participate the most.*

Social linkshells are usually more willing to accommodate fun jobs in both serious and not so serious content. Usually.

If your linkshell is saying "we don't want your WHM in our plasm farm" then you seriously need to get a different linkshell.

* Except for those drama filled shells that have cliques and favoritism and the LS leader gives all the stuff to his in-game girlfriend who is really a guy but he hasn't figured it out yet
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#17 Jun 25 2013 at 6:29 PM Rating: Default
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SMN is only a mildly decent DD potentially once every 45 seconds. Most people would rather either have a real DD, or a real support; not a hybrid.

BST pets have actually fallen somewhat behind to the likes of PUP surprisingly, due to the huge power boost it has gotten with Alternator. The best contribution a BST can make in scenarios like Delve is to call out an appropriate pet to use Killer Instinct on their party (in any given zone, all the Delve mobs are actually of the same type or superfamily, allowing Killer Instinct to potentially take effect on all mobs in the fracture), which is something not all BSTs will necessarily have optimized or make use of.


I understand what your saying but jobs like bst can always be very helpful..Any damage is better than no damage. as for SMN, the pets can damage, buff, and heal. with rage and ward you can do both of those every 45 seconds, not to mention depending on the subjob they can use those abilities too. its overall a very helpful support job. And for WHM, sometimes people rather just have a SCH, but if there isnt one around then take a WHM for christs sake, stop being so **** picky.
#18 Jun 25 2013 at 6:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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But there usually is one around. And for most people it is way more worthwhile to wait 15 mins for a sch if they need one (keep it mind sch can do stuff that whm is not at all good at/can't do at all) than to take a whm and fail

Again, it is their time and their sub... If they want Sch, and they want to wait for one over taking a whm, all the kvetching in the world won't change it.
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I used to think the same way, that my SMN was just as good a DD as someone else's actual DD job. Having a parser on hand changed my mind, and then having a WAR leveled made me see the error of my ways.

That's not to say SMN has no place at all in Adoulin. It's a great job for bayld farming in reives, for example. The AOE buffs apply to everyone, even people not in your party, so the support is welcome there.
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#20 Jun 25 2013 at 8:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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I understand what your saying but jobs like bst can always be very helpful..Any damage is better than no damage.


DDs are a dime a dozen nowadays. Leaders can afford to be picky when it comes to inviting better ones.

There's a reason why most Delve shout groups inevitably need jobs like PLDs, BRDs, and CORs, not more DDs.
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I understand what your saying but jobs like bst can always be very helpful..Any damage is better than no damage. as for SMN, the pets can damage, buff, and heal. with rage and ward you can do both of those every 45 seconds, not to mention depending on the subjob they can use those abilities too. its overall a very helpful support job. And for WHM, sometimes people rather just have a SCH, but if there isnt one around then take a WHM for christs sake, stop being so **** picky.



Here's the problem with your theory: Damage dealers are a dime a dozen. there are so freaking many of them that party leaders can shoot for the moon on gear requirements and specific jobs and STILL easily fill their alliance (outside of perhaps paladins). Yes, BST and SMN can both contribute, but to be blunt their contribution is sub optimal, and you're far more likely to get a dedicated DD or healer/support that can do a great job than someone trying to buff/heal/dd all at the same time. Yes there most likely are some players out there that could dd/heal/support to an extent that they warrant a spot in the alliance, but it's far more likely that they wouldn't... and as a leader I'm taking the safe bet, I have 16 other people who's time I don't want to waste.

Why is your linkshell unwilling to take you as whm? (I'm making an assumption based on your posts, please correct me if I'm wrong) Was your performance bad? is your gear not up to date? Favoritism in the shell? Catwho has always been pretty spot on with advice from what I've read and seen over the years. Maybe it's time for a new shell.



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Edit#2: Fynlar beat me to it... darn work distracting me mid post.

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#22 Jun 25 2013 at 9:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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I understand but why dont people like jobs like SMN or BST or WHM (apparently)? The first two do great damage, SMN also heals buffs and everything else. How is that job NOT useful? Dont get me started with WHM


The problems with SMN and BST are that, in this higher level content (Delve), neither really offer enough to warrant their spots. A Smn's damage isn't as impressive when you consider the 45 second recast on Rage, their status ailments don't do enough to make up for the spot they're occupying, and their healing isn't up to par with what needs covered.

Beastmaster is in a similar position as far as not being a very great DD. Right now Jug pets in there just aren't going to have the offensive or defensive power to stand up to a lot of these NMs, and a Beastmaster is only going to be a mediocre DD at best. However, there are some current strategies for Muyingwa (the Bztavian Delve boss of Ceizak) that do involve bringing a Beastmaster and the Lizard jug pet for Infrasonics, since it apparently is a 25% evasion down effect on it that lands at least somewhat reliably.

I've never seen anyone have any issues when it comes to White Mages. If anything, that's probably one of the most sought after jobs when it comes to anything Delve related.
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Another thing to point out is that you don't have to have specific gear to do anything in this game. It helps, sure. I've noticed a considerable damage increase on THF since I acquired a Thaumas coat and Aphotic Kukri.

However, because the gear in question that people say you "have" to have will often marginally and sometimes dramatically improve your performance, you should want to get it. You should seriously weigh in when folks are saying you "have" to have a piece of gear. No, you don't have to have it to play the job. But you should want to have it because you'll play the job so much better when you do have it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to join another Delve shout on bard so I can get more points toward the great axe I really really want for my WAR. Smiley: nod
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#24 Jun 25 2013 at 10:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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In case it is not obvious at this point this may not be the game for you. You seem to have a casual attitude. This game has been around a long time and most of the people still playing are perfectionists.

In my experience story content is casual friendly. You and your casual friends can clear it and a perfectionist may party with you even if they've done the mission before. Grinding, on the other hand, is not casual friendly. That pursuit is to get the most currency units per hour so only top achievers are going to be included.

The problem is that most of the content released in the last few years has been grind, not story. So some of the casual players have drifted away rather than fight monster X 100 times to get item Y. Sure, there is still the old content available and you can solo that if you'd like but don't expect to play with other people.
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It looks like in order to play FFXI you have to be a robot and follow the same goals everyone else follows. You need to have this gear, you need these levels at 99, etc. Im sorry but I'm not going to level all jobs to 99, nor do I have time. To be told by LS mates I'm useless or my job isn't used in a plasm run just angers me. I have a life OUTSIDE of this game and I dont have the time to be leveling jobs YOU want ME to level. Im sure most people didnt level jobs because they were told to, probably because they WANT to and they want to go 100% in this game. Well I'm a PAYING PLAYER, SE never said I have to level all these jobs in order to enjoy my game. If I want to be a WHM then I shouldnt be turned down, same goes with being a BST, or a SMN. All these jobs have some use to them, and to not be allowed to join a certain run in a game because I dont have a "useful" job level ****** me off..

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You don't need people.

I'm a loner who have been playing since 2003 and I have almost done everything exclusively alone, i.e. randomly showing up at a NM and asking to join a party. To be fair, I'm a career RDM, so there was a time when I was highly demanded. On the same token, I got tired of being invited to be the "main healer" or "refresh bot", so I leveled WHM. At the time, WHM was not wanted and now it's reversed. Everyone wants WHM and no one (until recently) wants RDM.

It's your choice. Either play how you want or succumb to the crowd. You have plenty of time to level a job. If you have time to post on this website, then you have time to level jobs. Now, rather or not your jobs are "the best", is another story, but you can't say that you don't have time to level a desired job. People with full time jobs, kids, going to school have leveled more than one job. There are a couple of us who went to war and back on more than one occasion, with more than one leveled job. I highly doubt that your life is so restrictive, that you can't level a desired job.

Not wanting to level a job != not having the time to do so.

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