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#1 Jun 15 2013 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
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So, I was sitting in Adoulin not long ago looking at shouts and saw a plasm farm shout for PLD. Not abnormal, but I saw Steadfast Shield (the Delve shield) as one of the options. Which it's not a bad shield and it has been confirmed that PLD's have successfully supertanked with it in Delve. But abnormal enough for me to go re-check the BG wiki page again to see this now attached at the bottom.

Evanleewimbish, Quetzalcoatl wrote:
Additional information- extremely High block activation rate, and when blocking Dmg received is 0, tested as 99 pld against taxet solo

Can anyone confirm this to be true? Or is this just trolling? I was going to log into the Test Server to see if I can even instantly get the shield to confirm, but it's like 4 hours of files. If it is true that it nullifies damage on blocks, where does this now put the shield compared to Aegis and Ochain?
#2 Jun 15 2013 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
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It won't change Aegis' position on mobs where you want the -MDT. Ochain, however, will ultimately depend on the block frequency in comparison. Ochain's Damage > MP recovery on longer fights can also tilt things to its favor, too. Most likely the shield will fall in 3rd since SE will likely want to keep their precious RMEs superior now.

Enjoy your Dynamis and Abyssea spam if you consider yourself a PLD main. :/
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#3 Jun 15 2013 at 8:43 PM Rating: Default
iam also seeing people /shouting for S shield. my guess is it true. look at all the other D weapons they more stronger then relic etc so i dont see why the shield wont be also. well boys and girls looks like Ochain & Aegis got compilation
#4 Jun 15 2013 at 9:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Seriha wrote:
Most likely the shield will fall in 3rd since SE will likely want to keep their precious RMEs superior now.


Missed the last couple months of FFXI?

There's a new sheriff in town, and he doesn't give a crap about RMEs.

Edited, Jun 15th 2013 10:22pm by TribalProphet
#5 Jun 16 2013 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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TribalProphet wrote:
Seriha wrote:
Most likely the shield will fall in 3rd since SE will likely want to keep their precious RMEs superior now.


Missed the last couple months of FFXI?

There's a new sheriff in town, and he doesn't give a crap about RMEs.

While presently true for the weapons, they intend to upgrade those. Commentary on the shields still stands, though.

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Excalibur
DMG:73 Delay:233 Attack+40
"Knights of Round"
Additional effect: Damage varies with HP

to

DMG:121 Delay:233 Attack+60 Accuracy+20
"Knights of Round"
Additional effect: Damage varies with HP

One of SE's examples on the matter.

Edited, Jun 16th 2013 2:42am by Seriha
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#6 Jun 16 2013 at 2:46 AM Rating: Decent
I have been using this shield this week to solo worms(tough) and turtles (VT) in the gustav tunnel as pld/dnc - the shield does indeed reduce damage from those mobs attacks to 0 on most normal attacks that it blocks with phalanx up not so sure with phalanx down though, don't let it fall for long enough to notice, also haven't noticed if it's every block or just some but it does seem to flash up 0 dmg alot.
#7 Jun 16 2013 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Sounds nice, but still not enough for PLD's to be accepted without Ochain or Aegis is it? I'd love it if so, but it's too much to hope for I'm sure.

Edited, Jun 16th 2013 8:07am by Camiie
#8 Jun 16 2013 at 6:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds nice, but still not enough for PLD's to be accepted without Ochain or Aegis is it? I'd love it if so, but it's too much to hope for I'm sure.


And why not? The steadfast shield costs the same amount of plasm as the weapons, and if it scales to ochain in the same way that delve weapons scale to R/E/M's then that's pretty fantastic. I also seem to recall that the meme noted that it would update R/E/M weapons, but the instruments and shield would remain untouched. If aegis and ochain aren't getting any performance increases and this shield is designed to be superior or at the very least extremely comparable to ochain, then it's a solid bet for anything imo.

Edited, Jun 16th 2013 8:27am by Melphina
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#9 Jun 16 2013 at 6:35 AM Rating: Default
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I think you misunderstood. I'd love it if this shield would mean an end to Aegis/Ochain or GTFO. PLDs should never have had to deal with that. My question is if our increasingly d-bag community or the country club PLDs will accept the notion.
#10 Jun 16 2013 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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I think you misunderstood. I'd love it if this shield would mean an end to Aegis/Ochain or GTFO. PLDs should never have had to deal with that. My question is if our increasingly d-bag community or the country club PLDs will accept the notion.


As long as Aegis goes beyond the 50% MDT- cap, you'll never be able to ignore that when gearing PLD -- unless they introduce a shield that's much easier to get with the same effect. OChain's Block>MP ratio is gewd but if Steadfast can block just as often and negates as much damage as people are seeing that it's a viable physical alternative shield as long as you can deal with the loss of MP.
#11 Jun 16 2013 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Pretty sure it was shown to NOT have Ochain's block rate. Someone brought this theory up on BG and someone then posted 3 SS's of a page full of Morimar lizard attacks. Had more 0's on Steadfast shield's page than Aegis, so a higher block rate there, but Ochain had 100% 0's the entire page, a whole lot higher than steadfast.
#12 Jun 16 2013 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
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See I just don't get it. I realize that creating something more powerful than Aegis and Ochain would be broken, but why couldn't they create a shield or two from Delve that fulfill the same purpose? Everyone else now has an easier to get yet more powerful alternative to R/M/E, and they can't even create a pair of shields that are just as good when fully upgraded? /facepalm
#13 Jun 16 2013 at 7:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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See I just don't get it. I realize that creating something more powerful than Aegis and Ochain would be broken, but why couldn't they create a shield or two from Delve that fulfill the same purpose? Everyone else now has an easier to get yet more powerful alternative to R/M/E, and they can't even create a pair of shields that are just as good when fully upgraded? /facepalm


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#14 Jun 16 2013 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I am pretty sure this theory was debunked. The shield blocks for 0 more often because of its high defense rating (higher than aegis) and phalanx rather than because of some secret effect. It is the third best shield in the game, but it is size 3 rather than 5 and does not block at ochain or aegis' rate either.

If you don't have aegis or ochain, get one of these. If you do, don't.

Edited, Jun 16th 2013 11:25am by Byrthnoth
#15 Jun 16 2013 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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Nah, it's just a Size 3 with ridiculously high defense pushing the damage reduction on block.

Edited, Jun 16th 2013 10:38am by Raelix
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#16 Jun 17 2013 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
Here's the link to the BG thread where they discussed and tested the shield's effects:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/114547-Random-Question-Thread?p=5746680&viewfull=1#post5746680
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#17 Jun 17 2013 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, it's 50% damage blocked from base Size 3. And it gets another 25% from it's DEF:50 (%=def/2).

So it doesnt block for 0. It just blocks 75% of the damage taken upon a block. Which is significant, true, but any size 3 with DEF:40 already blocks 70% of the damage (ochain). For pure damage mitigation, even Aegis outblocks it damage wise. It may only have 40 def, but it's base size damage reduction is based off a tower shield (i believe that was 65% base), not the kite shield.

If it blocks more often than Aegis, i might want to look into getting it. If it blocks the same amount or less, then it's rubbish but maybe nice if it sports some incredible stats.

sum up:

Ochain: 70% reduced, but blocks pretty much always regardless of opponent
Steadfast Shield: 75% reduced, no idea on proc-rate
Aegis: 85% reduced, but is stuck having to deal with the natural proc cap for shields (which is a calculation and also depends on what you're facing).
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#18 Jun 17 2013 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
one thing about the stead it the cheapest, easy, quick, good shield to get. sure it may not be the best but for most plds that not main, this is a great shield to get without spending lot of time
#19 Jun 18 2013 at 12:17 AM Rating: Decent
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There's one ne thing I'd like to know as I've had some interest in getting at least one decent sheild to use on Paladin. What path is being used on the sheild, and what rank is it. As I under stood it, there's; Hp/Vit/Int, Mp/Vit/Int, and the lesser Hp/MP/Mdef (+35/+30/+4 max, really? That's a Rdm sheild). From what people are saying, the gist its that SS is a physical version of Aegis with a slightly lower blockrate that's made up by the extra Vit and -pdt.

With all the talk about if it's a side choice or not for pld. Has anyone actually maxed the upgrades on it and what would be a better path choice for Pld? If the pattern is not broken then path A & B could have +14 vit. Then anywhere around +40 ~ +70 Hp or Mp (has to be higher than C) and 8 ~ 10 Int, if simular to other third teir stats. Right now I'm assuming the 0 dmg rate is either seen at rank 6 or its base form. I'm not even looking at the third path if the numbers on BG is correct. For magic, so far Aegis @ lv99 may be a better choice than SS while having a Run next to you. Otherwise a maxed SS may as well be a safe side alternative for folks who have not reached 99 on Ochain, and need the focus on Pdt over Mdt.
#20 Jun 18 2013 at 3:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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The problem with Steadfast Shield is that when you are supertanking NM's in Fractures you're counting on the blocks to prevent spell interruptions.
Ochain has a better block rate than Steadfast and it shows when you're against multiple targets.

One way around this is for the Scholar or White Mage watching over you to put Aquaveil on you, just as a safety measure. Apart from that it's completely fine.
I would invite a Steadfast Shield Paladin for a Fracture run for sure, saves waiting around for an hour for those ever-elusive Aegis/Ochain Paladins to crop up.
#21 Jun 18 2013 at 7:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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I am working solo(real solo, not multibox) on the souls portion of an Ochain, thank you S-E for that special kind of hell.

If the Steadfast Shield serves the purpose in Fracture runs, and you can pick it up with 6 hours of effort, it would seem to be a great stepping stone on the way to an Ochain or an Aegis for a small fraction of the effort. With the weak link in the Fracture chain being the securing of PLDs, I mean, what am I missing here?
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I am working solo(real solo, not multibox) on the souls portion of an Ochain, thank you S-E for that special kind of hell.

If the Steadfast Shield serves the purpose in Fracture runs, and you can pick it up with 6 hours of effort, it would seem to be a great stepping stone on the way to an Ochain or an Aegis for a small fraction of the effort. With the weak link in the Fracture chain being the securing of PLDs, I mean, what am I missing here?


That Steadfast Shield should be to Aegis/Ochain what Delve Weapons are to R/M/E weapons.
#23 Jun 18 2013 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I been in a few fracture plasm farm runs with a pld steadfast shield, its really not that bad. Just need the healer and bard to be more focus.

Edited, Jun 18th 2013 10:06am by chinaman
#24 Jun 23 2013 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Here you guys go:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/38925/steadfast-shield/1/#2389193

This shield has no hidden effects, but it is approximately comparable to Aegis in terms of physical damage reduction.
#25 Jun 23 2013 at 5:16 PM Rating: Good
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Here you guys go:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/38925/steadfast-shield/1/#2389193

This shield has no hidden effects, but it is approximately comparable to Aegis in terms of physical damage reduction.


Pretty much what most people were suggesting. It's not an O.Chain but it's perfectly functional for doing stuff like Delve NM holding.
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