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#1 May 29 2013 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Me and a friend were wondering about which mythics we would build if we could, hes a diehard PUP so his Kenkonken is set to his heart. I had several others in mind but i always had an affinity for Xbows. I feel sad that no one uses them anymore for anything.

Does anyone know anything about Gastraphetes?

I got a tell when asking my LS about it from a member who said it was garbage and wasnt worth the pricetag to build it. I highly doubt any Mythic other than Burtgang can really justify the pricetag. I'm just wondering how ti does in teh current endgame when compared to weapons that aren't RME's.
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#2 May 29 2013 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Kenkonken was definitely worth it pre-Rigor. I don't know about it now, but even I was tempted on those on my switch from BST to PUP. And considering I have only Aht Urghan missions done, no kills in any endgame sections... it had to be a hell of a temptation.

Now, not to rain on your parade, but, right now, no Mythic, Relic or Empyrean aside from Shields and Instruments are worth it. Until SE reveals their plans for upgrading beyond stating that they will raise their base damage or allow for weaponskills to be learned and transferred.

If you want to start on it, start on it. I've never seen or heard of any Mythic ranged being made, but I'm sure some have been.
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#3 May 29 2013 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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Pawkeshup, Averter of the Apocalypse wrote:
Now, not to rain on your parade, but, right now, no Mythic, Relic or Empyrean aside from Shields and Instruments are worth it.
Counter Argument: Yagrush


My Blanket Statement for most RMEs: Unless you have the capabilities to bring such a weapon to lv99, there are better ways to spend your time.
I believe if an RME was competitive at lv99 before Delve, then it will be after the update. This is a guess based on proposed adjustments and SE may prove me wrong.

As far as Gastraphetes, my response would be: just make a relic gun (if you can bring it to lv99)
Trueflight is mediocre/weak
30,000 Alexandrite is no joke
Except at 300%, aftermath on mythics is pretty weak.
The job bonus (snapshot) isn't anything ground breaking.

Kenkonken and the Polearm Mythic shine because they offer amazing WSs with an amazing job bonus. The xbow has neither (probably).

Of course... if you want to make a mythic, go for it. Other than the Alexandrite, the rest of the requirements can be pretty fun if you gather a good group, so you could choose to start a weapon, buy up alexandrite (but DO NOT turn it in), then work on all the other requirements. If it turns out the task is too daunting or the update is not to your liking, then worst case- you had some fun "completing" ToA and just sell off all your alexandrite.

Edited, May 30th 2013 1:11pm by xypin
#4 May 29 2013 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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People have not quantified the Snapshot on Gastraphetes. As such, we do not know where it stands in the ranged weapon hierarchy from a pure damage standpoint. If the Snapshot enhancement is substantial, it may be the most damaging ranged weapon especially given the new "Level 120" bolts that will be introduced next update. Strategically, though, it fails due to its lack of a fixed low-enmity WS. Magical WSs do have reduced enmity compared to physical, but not to the extent of Namas Arrow and Coronach, both of which will outdamage Trueflight in every situation that matters for ranger.


Additional problems:
1) Gastra's AM is not worth activating due to the low TP gain of ranged weapons and the relatively short duration of the aftermath. For instance, if you wanted to maintain AM1 then you would have to alternate Trueflight and another WS. That will drop your damage substantially and isn't worth doing. Similarly, sacrificing two WSs so that you can shoot 2-3 times per /ra for 3 minutes is similarly hardly worth it. It may not net positive damage over just using Last Stand instead, which is horrendous compared to other mythics. I mean, I tried to test the OA2-3 proc rate on ranger and got something like 40 shots in over the duration of 2 AM3s. It just wasn't worth it.

2) Trueflight as a magic WS isn't *terrible* but it also isn't that good. Comparison including elemental belt assuming 100TP /WAR with Fencer and Moonshade Earring on Trueflight:
Trueflight: 5.48 fTP, 30% AGI, 2*(AGI-INT) for dSTAT
Wildfire: 5.6 fTP, 60% AGI, 2*(AGI-INT) for dSTAT
So it's a bit worse than Wildfire at 100TP and also lacks its Enmity Down properties and has a somewhat less-desirable element. If you go up to 300 TP, they are approximately equal but Trueflight gives more Enmity. It is important to note that neither WS gives as much enmity as you'd expect from the damage that they do because elemental WSs assign enmity based on the damage before multipliers like day/weather and MAB.



tl;dr: Ranged Mythics currently do not work, but this is at least partially due to how terribly designed ranged jobs are at the moment. If ranged damage is patched and the mythics are updated, they might be good. That's a long-shot, though.

Edited, May 29th 2013 3:11pm by Byrthnoth
#5 May 29 2013 at 1:36 PM Rating: Excellent
Gastraphetes wasn't any good before they added Delve weapons, so unless it receives a major change in addition to the whole Relic/Mythic/Empyrean update, then it still won't be worth it.
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#6 May 29 2013 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
Gastraphetes wasn't any good before they added Delve weapons, so unless it receives a major change in addition to the whole Relic/Mythic/Empyrean update, then it still won't be worth it.

A certain polearm comes to mind with this statement...
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#7 May 29 2013 at 2:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm a little surprised that you looked at all the mythics and decided that Burtgang was the one unquestionably good one. Anyway, if you want to make something useful for RNG, make a relic gun and/or a bow. If you want to make a mythic and it just has to be a mythic and nothing else will do, just make whatever you want.
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#8 May 29 2013 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
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but whatfi the new bolts were holy bolts +2...

I see your point though its just a shame that Xbow's have no place in the world anymore
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No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?

Omegag wrote:
Cor should just be using dice rolls and helping with cures anyway

Dynamis Member while prepping for Dynamis Qufim wrote:
Is this where treasure hunter feet drop?

#9 May 29 2013 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Gastraphetes double/triple damage doesn't proc on barrage either. It's definitely one of the weakest/least useful mythics.
#10 May 29 2013 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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Nivys wrote:
Gastraphetes double/triple damage doesn't proc on barrage either. It's definitely one of the weakest/least useful mythics.
Really? That's surprising since (for other mythics) the ODD will proc on WS. I guess I just naturally assumed it would work on JAs too.
#11 May 30 2013 at 11:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yagrush still is and always will be worth the effort. It's probably the single most useful mythic. No amount of damage on a club will ever make Yagrush obsolete, as it's never really been a melee weapon at all.
#12 May 30 2013 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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Having made a Yagrush myself this year, I agree that it really increases a WHM's quality of life. Against a mob with frequent AoE status ailments, you actually want them to spam them because they're so easy to take care of.

I'm not certain it's the best mythic, but it will very likely retain its value for the remainder of the game's lifetime. That kind of certainty makes it an excellent investment.
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#13 May 30 2013 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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Ryunohige 99 is still the king of polearms, and will remain with R/M/E update further down the road :)
#14 May 30 2013 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah but there's much less of a guarantee that it'll be the best for all time. All existing DD weapons run the risk of being beaten by higher damage weapons that could be introduced in the future.
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