Delve is ruining friendships and relationships...Follow

Yeah I hate that about delve. I am waiting until my linkshell is ready, then we'll do it as a cohesive unit.. well-geared or not.. and we won't take those elitist pricks who try and tell me (us) what to do.

Mokatu

This is unfortunate to see after resubbing and buying the seeker bundle.

I haven't actually tried Delve yet and this is the main reason why. I have really bad social anxiety and shout groups are the worst thing for it, I just can't deal with elitist, judgemental types at all. I've actually been too scared to respond to shouts so far and I don't think my LS has enough people interested in doing it to attempt this content without shout groups.

If something isn't done about this, I don't know how much longer I can play without it seeming pointless.

Delve will just help, it's the community that will kill it.

Delve, as content, isn't terrible. Yes, it's too much, too soon. Yes, abandonment of older weapons with such large investments is bad. But really the worst thing here is the move back to alliance content. I totally agree with your thread. I just wish the developers did too.

Well not so much back to alliance content but back to extremely specific setups with high requirements to participate. High end players that are capable of doing these things tend not to help lower less capable players and you end up with a catch 22 situation. Eventually it creates a huge gap in player capability and that's when people quit in mass's because as much as the high end guys like to hear trumpets sound when they log on, the majority of the activity on the server is generated by the casual players due to sheer volume.

Easier said than done.

I ran an LS for a good amount of time, and while kicking the whiners out of an event seems like a great idea, the whiner normally has friends. Or if you kick, say, the WHM, the group may implode because now they have to wait for another healer. Or if that DD was likely going to be the source of a lot of your damage, people will likely bail and hope for another alliance.

In the end, in a perfect world, they would get their just desserts. In reality, the whiners who try to take over these runs likely get all the stuff they ever want.

If you invite 17 people to an event that you aren't an expert at, there's a pretty good chance one of them will be better than you. As such, there are often players in the alliance that are better at setting up the alliance than the shout-leader. For instance, Delve groups that get <5000 Plasm per run right now are doing it wrong and are poorly constructed. Delve groups that get 5000-6000 are pretty normal. Groups that get >6000 are good.

People generally are not going to complain if you construct a group capable of getting 5000-6000 Plasm, even if they're used to getting >6000. However, they can often see problems in the alliance's structure or the people being invited that will move the group down below 5000. For instance, inviting a paladin that can't tank will result in the NMs aggroing people, causing deaths, and ultimately a bad Plasm yield for the run. That's a waste of 45 minutes compared to getting someone that can tank. If someone that recognizes the requirements sees you inviting two of your best buddies who are PLD4lyfers with Weathering Shields and ****** gear, they might as well leave the party and go do something else. A nice personality and sunny disposition can't hold monsters for 45 minutes. If they see 6 DDs invited, 4 of whom are known to be terrible (yet personable!), they might as well leave the party and go do something else in FFXI or RL. It's not fun to join groups that make simple, brainless tasks like farming Plasm difficult, even if it means that you aren't spending those 45 minutes farming Plasm (while fleeing from NMs in the company of dead-yet-pleasant paladins, for instance).

SE themselves has said that some people are not currently qualified to do Delve, and encouraged them to pursue Skirmish, Salvage v2, and so on. They even made these events all easier as well to encourage participation. Well-augmented Skirmish weapons are about as good as RME weapons, so even if people don't want to level BRD, WHM, or COR then SE has still made a path for them. Unlike any time before in FFXI's history, SE is releasing events that are meant to be done in series instead of in parallel. I think it's a stupid move that they will come to regret and there are still ways to bypass this structure (like leveling a mage job), but this is how they have chosen to make the content and I don't feel too bad enforcing the designed norms.

that would be a valid path, if the exact same types of elitists pricks ruining delve weren't ruining all those other events you listed

You have to have completed a Wildskeeper Reive to be able to initiate Fractures, so even being in the leader position to have the opportunity not be an exclusionary elitist **** involves completing content only currently cleared by exclusionary elitist ******

Thus Wildskeeper Reive clears are why Delve is a circlejerk, not Delve itself.

Good luck with that. I'm this close to dumping me linkpearl because of what Delve has done. We are were a casual social shell. Groups would just throw something together and go do it. But recently, the more vocal members have been shouting for Delve weapons only (were r/m/e but now that hey have delve weapons, that what they want). In shell chat, they are bashing those without X pieces of gear. It has gone from a friendly place to hang out to a place where they badmouth "bad" players.

No, they haven't.
If you don't have a Lv99 Relic/Emp/Mythic/Delve weapon you're not getting invited, end of.

Been rejected from three parties now because I didn't have a Delve weapon but do have Armageddon Lv90... and Corsair.
**** like this is why I'm unsubbing when my next cycle is through.
They've completely shattered the working paradigm of easily-accessible content in smaller numbers for larger scale alliance and full linkshell content... when they game is just turning 11 years old and the playerbase is inevitably going to start shrinking again.
Absolutely idiotic move.

Oh, and the reason Skirmish triggers are now going for so cheap on the Auction Houses?
Because everyone knows the rewards are nowhere near as good as Delve, they've killed their own ******* content within a month when almost nobody had a chance to try it due to their own technical **** up.

Apologies if this came across as somewhat malicious against you.

The ONLY way that I can see the playing field being even somewhat leveled and made more accessible is if the next round of Skirmish areas produce rewards that directly rival that of Delve.
Crobaci with maximum augments can provide something like DMG:160 STR+10 Weapon Skill Damage+10%.
Decent, but nowhere near as good as Bereaver.

Skirmish is actually a pretty good, if repetitive at times, system that can be easily completed by a competent group of 5-6 people.

Don't worry bro. I don't care about you and they explicitly have said that.