Alkyoneus bracelets for WS?Follow

TL;DR - Store TP is worthless for a weaponskill, stick with Alky's over those hands.

I usually gear for accuracy > stat mod > attack for most weaponskills. Accuracy is the highest priority, especially with newer content (though I don't think you're to that point yet). Just don't stack on more accuracy than you need either...


Since I don't know how familiar with the topic of tp, I will explain below

Store TP is only useful when it reduces the number of swings it takes to hit 100 tp. This is an important aspect for all 2h weapon jobs because between swinging your weapon 5x instead of 6x can be a difference of 3+ seconds (which is a lot). I don't know how 1h and h2h jobs look at the stat, but I usually see them gearing to reduce overall delay and stacking double/triple/quad attack instead of store TP (oh, and accuracy, definitely accuracy).

Quick lesson on Store TP
Store TP+X increases your TP gain by +X%

If you swing your weapon and gain 10tp, then with store tp+5, you'll gain 10.5tp/swing instead.
If you swing your weapon and gain 5 tp, then with store tp+5, you'll gain 5.2tp/swing instead. (SE floors everything, so 5.25 -> 5.2)

Now if you want to create a set around a specific number of hits, you'll need to compute your tp gain/swing, find how much store TP you need to reach the lowest possible value, then build your gear around that, haste, and accuracy. This really gets off when you need to include the weaponskill though. Typically, a multihit weaponskill will produce more tp than a single swing, so as long as you can, on average (misses happen), gain more tp in a ws than a single hit, you don't need any Store TP for a weaponskill. If you have a single-hit weaponskill, then things get tricky and you might have to consider it, but I believe MNK is in the former case.

I'm currently still using Aly's bracelets for ws and have been for years since I can't find any other decent AH alternative for STR modifer ws's, If there's a better one someone tell me.
Now with Rare/Ex gear that's a different story. Could we say that a fully upgraded mikinaak str path will be the ws hands of choice or another piece? One that won't need a hardcore ls with a static pt preferably.

Meh, at least people are asking questions.

I would rather have people ask questions (and learn something!) then have an even slower forum.

Was wondering why I never bought those gloves then realised it didn't have the words "DRK" in the job description.

Thanks for the replys. Yeah Kojiro I know, but was bored at work and was thinking about that issue. My MNK is 80 now, still have a ways before a DEX build for Shijin Spiral. Anyway, My main thought was maybe the -6 dex still plays some sort of accuracy/critical role in asuran fists that compensates for losing 7 STR (alky +11 Aurore gloves +4). But honestly once I was refreshed on the function of Store TP, that itself answered the question. Crazy the things I forgot over a 3 year leave. I thought i remembered Store TP as a job trait that related to the return amount of TP after a weapon skill. So I was thinking if I macro'd the Alky bracelets for WS i would lose store TP. All good now, thanks for clearing up my question.

For MNK this is probably true, but just to point out for others, this isn't universally true all the time. A bit of STP on your WS can mean the difference between having a legitimate 5/6-hit and falling just short with 99 TP.



Description of Conserve TP only mentions weapon skills, so pretty sure no dances are affected. I've never noticed it taking effect on any waltz, at least.

Yeah, but that was a note for the people who didn't read past the TL;DR :p

You know, like me

No, it's fine, I didn't read the post fully and I can own up to that. >_>

Wow.... Learn to read man. I already have Alky bracelets and I was already 82 by the time you posted this message... I have inventory out the rear so that is a non issue. Thanks for the pointless advice and have a great day.

If you're making a straight STR WS build without consideration for other stats, the Alky bracelets are arguable the best value piece for many jobs. Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about the -6 DEX, that's not much of an ACC penalty, and can easily be made up for in other gear if you're having issues. On my server there are currently 5 of these for sale for about 20k each, not a rare or hard to obtain piece by any measure.

You know all he said was "Use whatever you have since it does not matter at all" right? If you get pissed off by that, you sir, have a very short fuse.

Neat, now you get to learn to throw them away instead of posting them on the AH six times because everyone else knows better than to buy them.