Level 99 R/M/E and WoE Weapons Follow

I think the bigger thing to worry about is that we should be very worried that as soon as we catch up with the content, our stuff is auto-obsolete. That's the big worry - never to be relevant. Never to even achieve +1 status knowing that there is a +3, a +4 and maybe even further.

No it's a very apt analogy. This is the first major update, and unless SE is planning to leave that as the endgame... expect bigger. Since they are not moving the level cap, this is how they are adjusting the levels.

First, the "lesser" comment was not meant to be tactless, I edited that sentence a few times trying to get the point across that you wanted the better geared elite players helping the lesser geared players to get their ****, since all the +2 items/drops from the regrinded content will be **** they already have. Since I was going with just calling the elitists "them" I put in first lesser prepared, then lower geared, then THOUGHT I put lesser geared. So... whoops!

And you are actually hitting directly on my point. The gap to get to the new top tier is getting to be super long. Yes, if you have friends, you can cut into the queue so to speak, but right now, here's what you are looking at if you and your friends are starting today, at 0.

- Level to 18
- Get subjob and level it
- Level to 30, go to Jeuno
- Start your stones
- Get your chocobo licence
- Level to 50 (not too hard)
- Do your first limit break, then level and limit break to 70.
- Level to 70
- Limit break 5
(this is where **** gets real. Go look at your AH for the gear to do LB5)
- Limit break and level to 95
- Do the final Limit Break
(saw one guy shouting for 4 days looking for this)
- Grind merits
- Get at least +1 gear from Abyssea
- Grind Reives
- Go through all the tiers to gain access to buy the new gear
- Grind points for said new gear

YaY You're caught up! And see all that up there? That's shorthanding everything from obtaining gear, gil, Atma, doing missions and quests you need to access other content... That's just getting the LEVELS needed. And see, my point is not just...


My point is this is a change in design philosophy at its core for FFXI's development. By basically starting off by saying RME are dead, deal with it, then backtracking to say "Well, we will figure out SOMETHING", it shows they really DID plan to just try an Abyssea reset again, but failed in the execution. They thought people would just happily chase the new shinies. But that's not the case. Abyssea armor being replaced is one thing. It's not hard to build a set of that with some help in as little as a week these days. You are replacing content that takes months if not years to finish with items that can literally be obtained through diligent grinding over the course of likely a couple of months. Yes right now the bosses are too tough, but once the community sorts it out, gets some of that gear, these monsters will be just like the Gods/Ground Kings of old.

Speaking of which, let's say you want Zenith Mitts. We won't ask why, but let's say you want them. How would you get them?

The above could easily be said about Abyssea/Nyzul content 2 years from now if this rapid escalation of gear strength continues. Remember, this is the first major update. Where do we go from here?

You're right. SE has acknowledge they fffed this up, and they have said they are going to be adjusting it to make it easier to access skirmish.

OK, my last attempt on this. I don't know if you people are being willfully ignorant, or what but...

This.

Is not.

About

The content.

I am using the content as examples. It is not about the past or other directors. It isn't about @#%^ing WoW raid dungeons not at all designed or planned the same, or its gear progression.

This is about the direction this director is taking us. This is about power creep. This is about dropping massive carrots with mouth-watering values in front of our faces, and giving us an easier path that invalidates a large portion of content.

This isn't making armor from Sky obsolete. That was RNG sh*t. There was no earning it, it was @#%^ing luck.

This isn't about making Abyssea armor obsolete. It was starting to go that way slowly anyway as more VW sh*t got added.

This is about taking a process that takes months, sometimes years to finish, and throwing it out the window.

On the very @#%^ing first update on the new @#%^ing expansion.

Unless this expansion is almost totally done, does that not clue you into something going horribly @#%^ing wrong?

Does this not cause an internal alarm, a clenching in your *** cheeks, some form of red light blinking somewhere telling you that it's too much, too soon?

Do you think the player base wants to feel like they wasted their months/years of work only to get it tossed out?

Do you think the new players will want to constantly be upgrading in these massive jumps every few months?

Is all that clear enough? Or do you want to go around another nitpick.

This. Is a path. For a disaster. It needs to get back on the @#%^ing rails. You can't just toss out that much work, toss in gear this powerful, and expect there not to be a massive backlash and people just bailing. And as I have said, where the @#%^ do we go from here.

We need to get them to stop and listen. Otherwise in a year's time, we will be discussing what drops the new +485 damage HtoH weapon. And likely they will have made some new "event" with new points and drops for it too. Do you really want a game like that?

Edited, May 5th 2013 6:57pm by Pawkeshup

As I said, none of what you've been talking about is shocking, new or undiscovered. It's happened elsewhere and the players got through it just fine.

The only real concern that I have is that such a discrepancy there's not much to bridge the gap, otherwise I am not really going into panic mode.

That we have a dagger with more attack than the 99 relic scythe does raise an eyebrow, but without the full scope of the upgrade system I'd still say it is too early to panic.
You're asking someone who has already been there and seen the results. The world isn't going to end because of this.

What a noob!

It's:
- Level to 12 (takes like 2 hours if you get exp ring and already know how to FoV)
- Go to Gusgen, join the GoV alliance, and grind to 30 on bones for 3 to 4 hours
Now you can get your subjob. You should already have the skull, which is the hardest of the 3 items to farm solo.

Edited, May 5th 2013 9:45pm by Elwynbelwyn

What I want to know is why anyone is arguing about it at all when square already said in the OP they plan on adding ways to keep R/M/E weapons relevant? If people were arguing that they shouldn't have to jump through even more hoops just to keep their legendary weapons... Well then I get that... But why are you arguing like square hasn't even acknowledged the problem with it pawkeship?

We already went through the same thing with the level cap increase. It took months possibly over a year before they allowed people to level up relics and mythics with empyreon weapons smirking in their faces and higher level weapons nipping at their heels. More over every level increase after that it took several updates before R/M/E weapons caught up each time. WIth again non-legendary weapons coming up on their heels some being comparable until they got their level up each time.

So why are you screaming rapture? This has been status Quo since the level cap increase was first implemented.(power creep and the general disregard for older content. The only reason I personally think they bothered with revamping and re-releasing old content was to keep people busy until they decided weather or not to dump more money into an expansion like this.)

Edited, May 6th 2013 12:03am by Laxedrane

Because so far, the only idea they have given us for what they plan to do along those lines is make it so that RME weapon skills can be unlocked for use with all weapons. Most people do not consider that a worthwhile compromise, probably since many RME weapon skills are terrible, and a few more are only passable because of aftermath, which presumably would not pass on to other weapons.

Yes, that's another reason why people are pissed. The statement came in as if they didn't really have any plans of what to do with RMEs and just quickly whipped something up in an attempt to placate the raging hardcorebase.

It's somewhat related to how most people are feeling right now, so I figure that this would be as good a place as any to post this that was recently made.

The problem is that previous updates only invalidated specific pieces or specific weapons with something that was slightly better. Kitty pants were still good to use until you were able to get your +2 Empyrean on the jobs where it was deprecated (or Bustle Dirs for SAM, etc.)

SE has just invalidated three entire classes of weapons, things that took more casual players many years to finish, and things that took hardcore players a great deal of time and effort to finish quickly. Either way, anyone who has one put in a crap ton of time. The only people who weren't totally ****** over by this are bards and paladins.

As usual, people are ******** for the sake of ********* What I find hilarious is most of the people ******** have been in my Plasma farming parties and NM shouts for the new weapons they hate with their every being for making their 99 REM useless.