im curious if one branch stand out amongst the others as ultimate weapons, or if its a bit of mixed bag with some as relics some as mythic etc?
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Depends on the weapon and how things change in the future. One class does not stand above the others right now.
Relics are fairly simply to obtain and level up.
Mythics are more difficult to obtain due to the difficulty of farming alexandrite. I find most of these are not worth the effort, but their aftermath works with weaponskills.
Empy weapons are easy if you only want a good weaponskill, but in some cases (scythe, polearm), you simply end up with a high dmg weapon.
A recent addition, skirmish weapons can have monster bonuses attached to them. These are more luck based since it's not easy to obtain Skirmish orbs.
Relics are fairly simply to obtain and level up.
Mythics are more difficult to obtain due to the difficulty of farming alexandrite. I find most of these are not worth the effort, but their aftermath works with weaponskills.
Empy weapons are easy if you only want a good weaponskill, but in some cases (scythe, polearm), you simply end up with a high dmg weapon.
A recent addition, skirmish weapons can have monster bonuses attached to them. These are more luck based since it's not easy to obtain Skirmish orbs.
i haven't heard of skirmish.
yea im thinking of trying to make either a spharai or verethragna, slowly ever so slowly, but as a fun long term quest lol. with vere i can use on pup too, but it has 10 less base at 99-2, which i will likely never even make it to lol
yea im thinking of trying to make either a spharai or verethragna, slowly ever so slowly, but as a fun long term quest lol. with vere i can use on pup too, but it has 10 less base at 99-2, which i will likely never even make it to lol
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Suijingiri_KM try this weapon you get from wilds keeper reive
Great katana damage 144 strength plus 8 and skillchain bonus. Pretty comparable less time and less costly then a masamune.
Great katana damage 144 strength plus 8 and skillchain bonus. Pretty comparable less time and less costly then a masamune.
I depends on the job you're playing and the weapons they can equip. A THF is gonna be much better off with a Mandau than a Twashtar, and most WAR will probably be better off with Ukonsavara than the Bravura. Then there's jobs like DRG, who's emy and relic options are rather lackluster, but a Ryunohige is amazing.
Of course, this is all subject to opinion, play style, as well as which activities you enjoy most.
Most MNK I know have Verethragna rather than Spharai, but I don't really have any personal experience as to which is best.
Of course, this is all subject to opinion, play style, as well as which activities you enjoy most.
Most MNK I know have Verethragna rather than Spharai, but I don't really have any personal experience as to which is best.
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Most MNK I know have Verethragna rather than Spharai, but I don't really have any personal experience as to which is best.
Lot depends on playstyle too; Spharai can shine more if you're actually able to counterstance-tank stuff. On the other hand, if you're regularly with other melee that keep hate off the MNK, it loses some of its value.
Personally I think Spharai has greater potential that is also more easily achieved, it's much easier to get it to its lv99 form than it is for Vere, and the DMG+ rating improvement is significant. Vere is also on riftcinders instead of riftdross, which (at least on my server, likely others too) greatly bumps up its "to 99" cost.
yea as im looking at it the spharai may be easier to 99 compared to verethragna, but i dont like that i wouldnt really be using the ws attatched to the weapon. was watching vids and monks with spharai seemed to use the merit ws instead. plus subtle blow from using the ws seems meh, while verethragnas gives the double damage.
although i do like soloing/duoing more than anything, which would be better with spharai lol
What makes empy/relic/mythic weapons really outshine other weapon choices is the aftermath effects. My Masa Sam usually only uses Fudo to trigger the aftermath, and then it's Shoha Shoha Shoha.
sadly the aftermath for relic h2h blows nuts.
Final Heaven isn't that good of a WS anyway, so don't feel bad about the aftermath being crap. If the aftermath was good, you'd then feel torn about having to use a sh*tty WS to activate it :/
Honestly, most of the relic aftermaths are terrible, and they all have terrible durations anyway. The only one worth actually making use of purely for the sake of the aftermath is Apoc/Catastrophe afaik, and that is greatly helped by the fact that Cata is actually a very nice utility WS too with its drain effect.
Edited, Apr 24th 2013 8:16pm by Fynlar
Honestly, most of the relic aftermaths are terrible, and they all have terrible durations anyway. The only one worth actually making use of purely for the sake of the aftermath is Apoc/Catastrophe afaik, and that is greatly helped by the fact that Cata is actually a very nice utility WS too with its drain effect.
Edited, Apr 24th 2013 8:16pm by Fynlar
yea so then it comes down to high damage, plus counter bonus and easier to get,
vs
lower damage, but good aftermath, plus usable on 2 jobs, but much harder to get. (is the emp ws better than the merit one?)
vs
lower damage, but good aftermath, plus usable on 2 jobs, but much harder to get. (is the emp ws better than the merit one?)
Technically speaking, Spharai kinda already has a permanent empy "aftermath" on it; it's an innate relic property for its normal swings to occasionally do 2-3x normal damage. It will not proc as often as empy aftermath does, but it doesn't require you to use the relic WS.
And yes, Victory Smite is much better than Final Heaven, particularly in Abyssea because it can crit.
Edited, Apr 24th 2013 8:55pm by Fynlar
And yes, Victory Smite is much better than Final Heaven, particularly in Abyssea because it can crit.
Edited, Apr 24th 2013 8:55pm by Fynlar
does the verethragna double damage only go off on main fist too?
There was a time when I swore that Vere aftermath could proc on either hit, but now I'm pretty sure it's the same as relic.
If you're looking at h2h options you might want to wait until SE reveals their plans to buff RME weapons. If you do go the RME route, ask yourself if you'll be willing to take it to 99, because SE has implied that only the 99 version will be buffed. As it is right now, my understanding is the Naakual h2h beats any RME options for damage and the Skirmish h2h can be even better. If you plan to stay at 95 (or 90 in the case of vere), then you might be better off just putting your efforts into one of the Adoulin h2h weapons.
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What's rme weapons?
Spharai are easy to 99, just requires money, 99-2 is way too much money. But afterglow doesn't buff me so meh
Spharai are easy to 99, just requires money, 99-2 is way too much money. But afterglow doesn't buff me so meh
rme = relic/mythic/empyrian
Yea that just clicked in my brain after posting. So what's naarkual? Is that from nee expansion?
Naakuals are the HNMs for the new expansion.
Currently, there is a large group event against mini-versions of the Naakuals called Wildkeepers Reives.
In this case, he is referring to the H2H weapon dropped in one of those reives.
Currently, there is a large group event against mini-versions of the Naakuals called Wildkeepers Reives.
In this case, he is referring to the H2H weapon dropped in one of those reives.
Do you know the stats for them? Or the name so I can look it up on the wiki?
Man, am I wrong in thinking that H2H would be sick with stringing pummel's 6 base hits? Or is there a reason why S.Spiral would be better?
Stringing Pummel should be stronger than Shijin Spiral, unless you were fighting a mob that had a resistance to critical hits (Legion's Chamber of Mul, Morta, etc)
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Thanks! Now I can dream of getting those H2H... still working on unlocking stringing pummel though /slits wrists
Fynlar wrote:
Final Heaven isn't that good of a WS anyway, so don't feel bad about the aftermath being crap. If the aftermath was good, you'd then feel torn about having to use a sh*tty WS to activate it :/
Honestly, most of the relic aftermaths are terrible, and they all have terrible durations anyway. The only one worth actually making use of purely for the sake of the aftermath is Apoc/Catastrophe afaik, and that is greatly helped by the fact that Cata is actually a very nice utility WS too with its drain effect.
Edited, Apr 24th 2013 8:16pm by Fynlar
Honestly, most of the relic aftermaths are terrible, and they all have terrible durations anyway. The only one worth actually making use of purely for the sake of the aftermath is Apoc/Catastrophe afaik, and that is greatly helped by the fact that Cata is actually a very nice utility WS too with its drain effect.
Edited, Apr 24th 2013 8:16pm by Fynlar
Bravura is even better. AM is -20% DT and MT is the same fTP but 60% STR mod. Makes it super easy to get capped gear haste, capped PDT/MDT and maintain a 6-hit.
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