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#1 Feb 14 2013 at 4:50 AM Rating: Good
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Hi, I'm on spring vacation so I decided I'd try going back to this while I wait for XIV, if it ever gets off the ground.

My main motivation for coming back is nostalgia and wanting to go back and finish my nation, Zilart, CoP, Aht Urhgan and WoTG missions that I never managed to when I played in the past due to difficulty in finding parties for them due to my time zone back then. Now the level cap is 99 I'm hoping I can hopefully hit it and solo/duo most of the old missions, but when I left my only level 75 job was WHM, so I'm thinking of levelling a new job from scratch to 99 for this purpose (on the same character).

Since I'm not sure what jobs are like at 99, could anyone suggest which job I level to solo as many of the old missions as possible?

(PS. I'm on Phoenix server if anyone wants to join)

Edited, Feb 14th 2013 7:01am by Dizmo
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BST would make most things a joke. Jugs shred through lower level mobs like wood through a wood chipper.
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Hmm, maybe I'll try BST then. What about typical melee DD like DRK? I guess probably anything with reasonable DD output would be good..
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BST dominates most 75-cap content due to the way level correction works for mobs (i.e. skewed heavily in the lv99 pet's favor), so yeah, that's probably the best way to go. Pet also has far better survivability than we do; for the most part players are still fragile to a lot of things. Like, it wouldn't surprise me if most old mission-related BLM mobs such as the orc in the house at the center of Davoi will probably still be able to knock out 1/3-1/2 of a player's HP with a single nuke, but a lv99 BST pet will probably not even take 3-digit damage from it.
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BST it is then. You can use jug pets in instanced fights too, right?

Oh god, 12 hour update... despite being on a 74Mbps connection. It's like I'm back in 2004.

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POL caps download speeds like a mother :/ Yes you can use pets in instanced fights.
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Just don't call the pet before the instance or you be fffed
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Or you can just wait 5 minutes and call another one
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Or you can just wait 5 minutes and call another one


That doesn't work if you're in a 10 minute time limit BC like the 95 cap fight.
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That doesn't work if you're in a 10 minute time limit BC like the 95 cap fight.


If you haven't beaten him in 5 minutes of fighting it's probably because you wiped anyway
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OK, I just got my BST to 20 solo. From here do I keep soloing or go to Gusgen and look for a GoV group/alliance? If the latter, what is my role in groups (including Abyssea ones) as a BST? (Sorry this is the first time I've played this job...)

Right now I'm running as BST/WHM for the cures while soloing which seems to work for now. I heard /DNC is best later though?

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Edited, Feb 14th 2013 7:28pm by Dizmo
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Can join the book burn to level faster, obviously. I personally had more fun, and an easier time, soloing on my Bst after 75. As for a role its easy, if you don't heal, nuke or support (brd) then deal damage. In Aby same, deal damage and have your pet deal damage/tank. Bst is not invited to events much, so you will solo or low man things with friends.

/Dnc is nice. You lose some things from /whm but at higher levels your pet should be tanking and at times(99%) soloing.
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That doesn't work if you're in a 10 minute time limit BC like the 95 cap fight.


If you haven't beaten him in 5 minutes of fighting it's probably because you wiped anyway


The BST method relies on having the BST tank him while you whittle him down before using the tail, if you only have one tail.

Before the tail was implemented, a multi BST strategy relied on people sacrificing pets and using CB for a fresh tank midway. That's how everyone in my LS got through since we didn't have four people with MNK and a spare Alex SMN (but we had five BSTs!)

Anyway, most BSTs learned the hard way to not waste a jug outside of the BC since it's money down the drain.
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#14 Feb 14 2013 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Can join the book burn to level faster, obviously. I personally had more fun, and an easier time, soloing on my Bst after 75. As for a role its easy, if you don't heal, nuke or support (brd) then deal damage. In Aby same, deal damage and have your pet deal damage/tank. Bst is not invited to events much, so you will solo or low man things with friends.

/Dnc is nice. You lose some things from /whm but at higher levels your pet should be tanking and at times(99%) soloing.

Am I understanding it right that charm isn't really used in groups, just jug pets?

Hmm, soloing after 75... does that mean it takes a long time to get to 99 compared to levelling in alliances? Or is Abyssea XP great even when you solo?

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Correct. The jug pets available at 99 are very good, and there often isn't anything comparable to charm. Jug pets will never turn on you like a charmed pet will, and they can have special job attributes (high evasion, high defense, treasure hunter, water resistance, etc) that make certain ones well suited for specific content.

I'm not even a BST main and yet I have a stack of Lucky Broths (Faithful Falcorr) in my inventory.... just in case.
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Charm can be used but better off having a jug pet imo. When sync is removed or reset, it happens in CN if you are there long enough, then a charmed pet wont stay and you may not be able to re-charm if your level is now to low. I had that issue in Gusgen charming the funguar.

I solo'd alot after 75, did a few Bost. parties. With pages you will get experience faster with a group. Little exp per mob but the page makes up for that. Abyssea exp is great when you build the right lights. Golden, Azure, Pearl and another I can't remember right now tend to be what people want built up.
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Personally I like Pup and I have soloed most of the content I have completed. Pup is easy once you get the hang of it but the downside to starting from scratch is the price tag of some of the attachments. At 99 I solo a lot of Abby content. To me it's more fun to be able to switch automatons and customize them. Bst is good but so is Pup. Pup is not really used by a lot of the general population so there are a lot of misconceptions on what it can do. I still get people that are surprised to see me soloing some of the Abby NM's. I just wanted to throw that out there.
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Darth is right. Pup is another great job. Plays on the same server and is absolutely right. I was one of the people going wtf as he solo'd a zone boss.
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There is only one place you might use charm: Gusgen Mines when your group is sync'ed at or above the level of the Funguars and you can grab one. They aren't very effective though and are more a liability when they uncharm.

By the time you're leveling BST you should be well enough established to Abyssea it up. You're leveling BST because you want to be a competent and efficient player by doing your own content, there is no excuse to be limping along in a Nest GoV party and other such nonsense. Once you're 99 there is no content that could plausibly offer a charmable pet, and charmed pets don't let you use Snarl either, which is a major mechanic in BST being so strong these days.
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Shhhhhhhhhh! Stop saying how awesome BST is... they'll nerf us ._.
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I would actually suggest soloing until crawler's nest, since you can't use jugs at most levels in gusgen and charming the funguars is crap. Also, unlike a lot of jobs, soloing on BST won't slow you down a terrific amount. Getting to 35 solo is easy as pie.

Duoing is even better. I duoed my bst before GoV got really rolling and it was obviously slower than alliance leveling, but it still went pretty quick.

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Well, I hit 33 solo last night, so I figure I can go to CN now?
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Well, I hit 33 solo last night, so I figure I can go to CN now?


I say "Why go to CN when you could go straight to Abyssea?"
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Will people invite me at this level?

I'm not sure how to look for an alliance... I just started the Abyssea quest for now.

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You can go to Abyssea @ 30... but you'll have to pay 500k - 1 mil to leech exp from an alliance. It's not really an option for many any more since, in the old days, you got your gil back through Cruor, but that's no longer the case.

Edit: Cruor is currency obtained in Abyssea, btw. You used to be able to use it to buy items called Chocobo Blinkers and sell them to NPCs for a lot of gil; SE nerfed it.

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Yeah... I don't have that kind of money to begin with anyways. Guess I'll just GoV up to 75?
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Or you can have... you know... friends?

Ones that let you in on a Worm run while they grind merits or skill weapons or whatever. The same ones that should first take you to Konschtat for the Celerity abyssite from the tonberries.

I'm too kind to noobs, farming Eve pops to get them VV and tooling about one-shotting worms on SAM to drive some exp for them. F*ck me, right?
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So he should hunt out friends with specific jobs and wait for them to do a merit/skill run? Makes sense.
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So he should hunt out friends with specific jobs and wait for them to do a merit/skill run? Makes sense.


Do you play FFXI? The majority of the population has multiple 99 jobs and merit parties run constantly. I have taken several low level jobs to Abyssea to leech and never paid a dime. You make it sound like brain surgery when it is, in fact, pretty common practice.

Edit: To clarify- I find that the population is actually very kind and helpful to returning players as long as they aren't arrogant or downright stupid. Show manners and be patient - don't expect people to do things for you within 2 minutes of you asking- but honestly, ask and you will probably get help. That was my experience anyway when I returned 2 months ago...

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Well I'm afraid my experience has been the polar opposite to yours. Yes, I'm aware a lot of people have multiple 99 jobs, but I'm also aware that unless you know people who are doing merit/skill runs then you aren't likely to find people advertising the fact that that's what they are doing. My point was that if he didn't already have friends he knew were going to skill up a lot, then he's probably better off in a GoV party until such a time when he does know people who skill/merit 'constantly'.

I would challenge your statement that ' the majority of the population has multiple 99 jobs and merit parties run constantly'. I cannot deny that the majority does indeed have multiple 99 jobs, but I would argue that merits and skill ups are nowhere near what the majority of people do with their time in the game. People have had multiple 99 jobs for a long time now and already have what they need merited/skilled, and the majority, in my opinion and experience, spend their time in VW/Empy+Relic grinding/other things to better their gear.
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I'll try looking for a LS. In the meantime I guess the slower route to levelling would give some opportunity to skillup, earn some gil and learn my class properly.

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Big, friendly LS are hard to come by, sadly. I've been looking for a big, friendly LS ever since I returned the first time and I've yet to find one. The main reason I keep leaving is because I can't find one and the game gets very boring and lonely if you don't have one... especially if you're EU.
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Yeah time zones suck. It was bad enough being in an EU time zone in this game years ago. Now I'm in Japan on a game that won't let you input in Japanese without a plugin, and even that is poorly functional. I wonder if it's possible to use the JP client with a US account.

Not to worry though - as I type this I'm back in the UK for a couple of weeks and found a couple of reasonably populated LSs.

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Once you get a few people to let you leech long enough in Aby you will have gained enoug Cruor to purchase "Forbidden Keys" then you can provide a useful service by opening chests for Aby exp parties.
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Level 56 now. :3
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If you're still on Phoenix, look me up. I'm in Japan as well so time zone wouldn't be an issue.

Also on your question about JP and NA clients/accounts. Yes you can use your NA account on a JP client. I use my JP PS3 (original 60GB model) to run the JP PS2 version if either a) wife playing or b) dual-boxing/XP. My PC has the NA client and I use that for both NA and JP accounts, JP account if I'm doing quests/missions that don't need any /assist. so I can actually read the chat log...lots of kanji The reverse holds true as well, my NA account loaded up fine on the JP PS2 client.

One thing I haven't looked into is running both PC clients on 1 machine. I wouldn't think it's possible as its going to want to install to the same location. But decent laptops are cheap these days, so you could always go that route if you wanted.
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Level 56 now. :3

And in just 2 days. :D

Don't listen to anyone telling you to seek out people solely to let you leech in Abyssea. You'll probably hit 80 on your own in GoV within a week or so, so you can join a pick-up alliance and actually participate, which I'm sure you'd find more entertaining.

I leveled RDM from like 40 to 99 in a week just joining GoV alliances (playing several hours a day), and SMN from 30 to 99 in a few weeks (playing more casually). With BST you'll level a lot faster, since you can make great progress on your own during times when GoV alliances thin out. The best part of subbing /DNC is that you can keep going without resting. Between that and GoV's increasing page rewards and auto-page renew, it's never been easier to level anything. Especially BST. Just wish it was this way back when I leveled BST. >:/
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No GoV area will skill you much past 200, and skills below 200 go up like friggin' rockets. 'Skill up as you level' doesn't actually save you any time, and the opportunity cost is taking longer to level.

To say: Time not spent skilling up externally is too minimal to make up for the longer leveling period if you go the GoV route.

But let's make something perfectly clear too: If you go this mystical low-sociality-necessary save-yourself-20-minutes-of-skilling-up, you'll hit 99 in two or three weeks. If you jump in an Abyssea group and hit 99 in two or three days, just think of how much time you can now spend actually playing the game now.

Leveling up isn't the game anymore people. Get over it.
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I know this is crazy talk but some people like to play the game before 99. Let them have their fun its their $12.95/month.
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I know this is crazy talk but some people like to play the game before 99. Let them have their fun its their $12.95/month.

Must be the same people that at level 30 ask me to lead them to Norg... after I farm their Kazham keys... and then look up which NPCs they need to talk to for SAM quest... and teleport them.... because they're still level 30 and nobody will run a CN GoV party for them while they haven't talked to Joachim to get Abyssea stones rolling yet "because somebody told me I couldn't go to Abyssea at 30 anyway."

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I get my third traverser stone tomorrow so I'll be looking for an Abyssea party then.
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I get my third traverser stone tomorrow so I'll be looking for an Abyssea party then.

Just be sure it's established and generating TEs (time extensions) before you go in. Be wary of groups still forming in Jeuno, because usually they show up mostly full and there's already a group there of 6-8 people and not everybody makes it into the merger.

Also, make sure it's Latheine. Some people still wanna go to Altepa and other places and it just isn't as safe or consistent despite Dominion pages (which really just slow the whole show down when everybody takes a mini-break every five mobs).
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If you're still on Phoenix, look me up. I'm in Japan as well so time zone wouldn't be an issue.


Will do! Assuming your in game name is the same as your forum name...

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Also on your question about JP and NA clients/accounts. Yes you can use your NA account on a JP client. I use my JP PS3 (original 60GB model) to run the JP PS2 version if either a) wife playing or b) dual-boxing/XP. My PC has the NA client and I use that for both NA and JP accounts, JP account if I'm doing quests/missions that don't need any /assist. so I can actually read the chat log...lots of kanji The reverse holds true as well, my NA account loaded up fine on the JP PS2 client.

One thing I haven't looked into is running both PC clients on 1 machine. I wouldn't think it's possible as its going to want to install to the same location. But decent laptops are cheap these days, so you could always go that route if you wanted.


Hmm, I'll try getting the JP version running when I'm back on my laptop in Japan.
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Personally I only abyssea leech jobs for which I have most of the skills levelled already. If you leech a job for which you have no skills, you are going to spend more time skilling up than you saved leeching.

A GOV alliance is a better way to go since you can interact, skill up and gain xp at only a modestly slower pace than an Abyssea leech party.

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Dartagnann wrote:
Personally I only abyssea leech jobs for which I have most of the skills levelled already. If you leech a job for which you have no skills, you are going to spend more time skilling up than you saved leeching.

A GOV alliance is a better way to go since you can interact, skill up and gain xp at only a modestly slower pace than an Abyssea leech party.


I used to agree with this but within the past year GoV options for Lakshmi have slowly died out. Since so many people go straight into Abyssea at 30 theres no place to go after Gusgen until Bostaunieux. Options are stay in Gusgen forever which is slow with no skill ups. Solo which doesn't help speed. Or leech and do skill ups later.

No one wants to spend 60 levels in Gusgen and soloing isn't for everybody. While I hate to say it leeching is now the better option.

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Personally I only abyssea leech jobs for which I have most of the skills levelled already. If you leech a job for which you have no skills, you are going to spend more time skilling up than you saved leeching.


If you'd just rather play a more active role while leveling, that's a perfectly legitimate choice. But rationalizing that you're saving time by having to do less skilling up just isn't true.

It really doesn't take that long to skill up most skills. Pick a skill level appropriate crab and swing away (Kuftal > Boyahda > Abyssea is the basics). Skills come easy, and once you're at Abyssea level skill it's even more mindless with Abyssea and regen/triple attack atmas. Total time expenditure to leech/level more quickly and then skill up is not going to exceed the total time to level more slowly in GoV (and then still need to skill up, but a little less).

You also need to remember that for most jobs it's going to be impossible to keep up all your skills while leveling anyway, so you're going to have to suck it up and go out specifically for skillups regardless.

Think of a WAR - there's no way you can keep even one weapon capped with the speed xp rolls in, much less multiple weapons.

RNG or COR? Even a fairly slow rate of party XP far outstrips your ability to keep up Marksmanship/Archery (and yes, those can be a real pain to skill up later but that's how it goes - at least you get level correction on your side at lv99 instead of having more misses against comparatively closer level mobs while you level).

PUP? No way you will be able to keep PUP's automaton skills anywhere near capped.

Even NIN, a job with one primary weapon and fast dual wield for skillups, is going to need extra skill. You can keep katana fairly close to cap, but you're still gonna need to level other weapon skills for procs if you don't already have them from other jobs (GK, dagger, sword, etc) and there's no way you'll come anywhere close to capping ninjutsu just through leveling.

Mages? Good luck keeping all your magic skills capped in FoV, that's simply not possible. It was hard enough to do at 75 in old style slow exp, and it's silly to expect any mage leveling in today's FFXI would be close to cap just from exping.


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#48 Feb 18 2013 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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A little off-topic but just because I am that desperate to skill up, Kuftal Tunnel crabs until what skill level, then Boyhoda Tree crabs until what skill level and finally Abyssea crabs at what level?

I'm 1 skill level away from capping GK, so I would assume crabs in Abyssea for that, but I still desperately need to cap Axe from 287 and Evasion from 300-something at least before moving on to other weapons.

Basically, what are the skill level ranges for those three zones?
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#49 Feb 18 2013 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I stay in Tree til roughly 260 on top level. There are more mobs, 98-105 I think, in the tree. I don't see skill ups often but I am not in a huge rush to have everything capped. I can red proc everything but staff which I need to work on, and my gaxe is 418 axe 337.

Sorry forget about Kuftal. I was told at 200 to move to tree. I left at 210 axe/gaxe though. Get acc gear and go to tree til you can hit often enough in Aby zones.

Edited, Feb 18th 2013 5:18pm by Zymunn
#50 Feb 18 2013 at 4:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Awesome. Thanks a lot.
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#51 Feb 19 2013 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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If anyone's interested I soloed 24-33 in Maze of Shakhrami, grouped for CN GoV page 1 for 33-56, then grouped for BO page 4 for 56-72 (3 days total). My axe is near cap currently.

Question for klausneck or anyone else who knows the answer: By the way, do you know of a way to download the most recent Japanese Vana Diel collection (Collection 3)? I know they do a digital download on the SE store but that seems to require purchasing it first. There's Collection 2 floating about, but this doesn't include Abyssea.

Edited, Feb 19th 2013 9:59am by Dizmo
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