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#55 Feb 11 2013 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly, if the game outlives the hardware it was created on, but makes every effort to keep that platform viable for 11ish-years, you can't hold it against them when the platform is finally folded on.

Today is a good time to play FFXI, computer spec wise. For the most part, anything with an i5 is going to run the game beautifully.

The best way to replicate the ps2 experience for a low cost is to go out and buy a cheap i5 laptop with HDMI and a wireless xbox 360 controller (or whatever wireless pc controller suits your fancy, I've seen some newer controllers today that include keyboards built in, if they were back-lit I'd already own one myself). Since it doesn't take much to run FFXI (especially at the lower resolutions that PS2 uses if you prefer that), you could easily get away with a local used Craigslist laptop for around 100 bucks, but I'd recommend getting a new one since they don't cost much more than that new nowadays.

If you get a 'decent' laptop, you'll have the added benefit of being able to surf the web from your couch, stream music for free via things like pandora and spotify, watch netflix and hulu, and my personal favorite as it relates to FFXI, use windower macros for gear-swaps and read ZAM forums while waiting around town for things to happen. You'll also have the benefit of being able to use blutooth headsets for things like ventrilo / teamspeak / etc, if you don't like typing while playing (though admittedly, FFXI is the one game I've played in my life where I actually preferred typing as the primary form of communication, partially due to auto-translate playing such a big role in the game).

So yes, it would suck losing your PS2 capabilities, but if you have the cash for a new laptop, or an old one lying around, odds are you will be better off moving away from ps2 anyhow.

EDIT: Just read Zelduh's response, and I have to chime in on that as well. You didn't strike me as a troll there, but I can see how someone would think you are. For clarification as to why people would think that, you have to understand that FFXI works FAR better on a PC today than it does on a PS2 in almost every regard. Resolution, ability to purposefully oversample textures for a really sharp/crisp look (no jaggies!), very clear text, the ability to substitute call files via simple dat swaps, windower macros, etc, all while still rendering greater distances, details, and quantity of models all at a faster rate than PS2. The experience on PC is just... smooth. Years ago I thought the PC experience was lacking because when I started playing FFXI I was on a very old machine and the game didn't take advantage of graphics card processing power at all... but times have changed and today I am able to run the game at very high resolutions with instant-alt-tabs thanks to windowed-fullscreen mode so I can take advantage of my second monitor etc. If you haven't tried the game on a decent computer in recent years, you really should - it might change your mind if your perceptions are based on older hardware performance.

Edited, Feb 11th 2013 10:46am by FUJILIVES
#56 Feb 11 2013 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Zelduh wrote:
Gotta love being called a troll just for having an unpopular opinion. No, I'm not trolling.
lrn2be tolerant of other people, instead of accusing them of trolling for not being a sheeple that agrees with everyone else


People think you're trolling because it's the only explanation for most of your statements. You've clearly stated, multiple times, that PS2 version runs smoother and looks better than PC, which is just plain false. It is not subjective. Higher resolution, pixelation, lag, lockups, and quality in general are measurable and are not subject to opinion.

You're free to say that you prefer playing on a PS2. That's fine and your right as a human with free will. Just stop trying to justify it with completely false statements about superior quality and playability.
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#60 Feb 11 2013 at 9:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Zelduh wrote:
No, I legitimately believe the PS2 version runs and looks better, because that's what I've experienced. If you haven't, that's your problem, but you can't tell me my opinion is wrong. Sorry bro


We can tell you your opinion is wrong when it is completely wrong. If it's your opinion that two inches is longer than three miles, your opinion would be wrong there too.

Seriously though, the trolling has gotten pretty weak bro.
#62 Feb 12 2013 at 4:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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PS2 never lagged for me, yet no matter how good of a PC I use nor what settings I use, it always lags. The game is designed for PS2, it will always run best on PS2


Except that's not what you were saying earlier on. You sound like you're back-peddling to try scrounge some way of being somewhat correct. You aren't. Lag is not aesthetic, it's not preference, it's a problem which can be quantified and which you're saying is better on PS2 than ANY PC. Then you state the game will always RUN better on PS2 which, again, is not aesthetic.
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but you can't tell me my opinion is wrong.


Yes they can. If it's your opinion that something patently false is true someone can absolutely tell you that your opinion is wrong.

Edited, Feb 12th 2013 6:46am by Nilatai
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That's not what you started off saying, sweetie.
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#67 Feb 12 2013 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I still play on the PS2, although on my PS3. There's a weird lag going on on my PS3, so I'm thinking of installing the last few expansion packs on my US PS2 and going back to that. It looks ugly, but selecting targets is so much nicer and less lag when I log in and change zones. I still have my JP PS2 that I occasionally play on as well.
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#68 Feb 12 2013 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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kappachan, Eater of Souls wrote:
I still play on the PS2, although on my PS3. There's a weird lag going on on my PS3, so I'm thinking of installing the last few expansion packs on my US PS2 and going back to that. It looks ugly, but selecting targets is so much nicer and less lag when I log in and change zones. I still have my JP PS2 that I occasionally play on as well.



You do know you can use a controller on a PC, it functions just the same.
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#70 Feb 13 2013 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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FFXI for PS2 is still being supported in NA (as far as we know), the issue is there are so few PS2 users, it's not worth manufacturing the Seekers of Adoulin disc or making it available for digital download (probably because they don't want flak for making it digital only since some PS2 users might like their solid discs or they feel the need to provide both physical & digital and if they can't provide one, they won't provide the other only). From what I've heard, the PS2 disc of Wings of the Goddess was pretty hard to track down and that was over 5 years ago.

Now in Japan, it's a different story. Seekers of Adoulin is coming out for PS2 and in fact, unless another expansion comes out with PS2 support, Seekers of Adoulin will be the last official release on the PS2 worldwide. The userbase for FFXI on PS2:PC in Japan isn't nearly as skewed there as it is in North America.
#71 Feb 13 2013 at 3:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Zelduh wrote:
wat. I said PS2 never lagged for me. PC lagged immensely. Therefore, I consider the PS2 version more pleasing. Is that so hard to grasp?


What were the specs on the PC you tried playing on and what were the game settings at?
#72 Feb 13 2013 at 5:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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You'll have to wait while he thinks up a lie to corroborate his version of events. My guess is that he played it on an octa-core i12 with infinite RAM and 6 top of the line GFX cards, and it still ran like a slide show.
#73 Feb 13 2013 at 6:31 AM Rating: Excellent
He might have tried playing on a decent system that had one of those nVidia 400 series before they fixed the driver bug in them that did cause terrible performance.

Either that, or it was a Pentium II on Windows 98.
#74 Feb 13 2013 at 7:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Then the NPC locks came in toward 2008-2009. About 1/5 of all npcs I talked to would cause a dialog lock, usually if they were a vender, and anywhere in the game. There'd be no dialog in the chat log upon activating them, and all control and movement would be frozen. Could only do say/ls/pt/tell chat and that was it. No way to free myself from the lock without resetting ps2.

And that's when I hung it up for good. Even after the infamous "disk full" problem, I eventually got the PS2 up and running again. Even when it would crash when I ran too close by the Bastok embassy in N.Sandy, I could deal with it. But once the game started locking up (without crashing) when I was trying to talk to the OP warp NPC, that was it.

I honestly don't know how the JPs can live with this particular bug. Or maybe this bug is somehow only in the NA version.

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So when did the locks and freezes start?

The NPC lock-up problem started with a specific major update, I think it was the first Abyssea/Lv 80 cap.

As for everything else, I started in 2008 on PS2 and it was always bad about slideshow mode under the right conditions (like a bard in another party in Pso'Xja spamming buffs, yeah), and cutscenes. I eventually got the feeling that end-of-Besieged crashes were often actually due to the cutscene at the end crashing. (Cowering with fear in the NW corner about 15 mins before the time limit still helped a lot.)

As for "teh grafix ar bettur!", I'm just going to point to those six-foot flowers just south of oasis in dunes. They are not in the PS2 version, and I was even surprised when I first saw them.
#75 Feb 14 2013 at 9:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Zelduh wrote:
Gotta love being called a troll just for having an unpopular opinion. No, I'm not trolling.
lrn2be tolerant of other people, instead of accusing them of trolling for not being a sheeple that agrees with everyone else


No, you're being called a troll because you're saying stupid ****.

The PS2 graphics are inferior to PC in every single way. Period.

The fact that you clearly weren't capable of selecting an option in the dropdown menu that was builtin to FFXIConfig even back in '03 completely renders your statements as idiocy. I tri-box running uncapped FPS (with a 60 FPS limiter at the driver level) and except for "aura" effects (i.e. live maws, Indrik models, etc.) it plays all three beautifully with maxed out settings.

Hell, I was running supersampling back when a GeForce 300 was the thing and I was even running a crappy Matrox version of the card and it *still* ran and looked better than anything the PS2 could ever render.

Simply because you were cleary incompetent with setting up the PC version doesn't automatically make your "opinion" valid. All it shows is that you're obviously blind, lying, or clueless.

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No, I legitimately believe the PS2 version runs and looks better, because that's what I've experienced. If you haven't, that's your problem, but you can't tell me my opinion is wrong. Sorry bro


Actually, yeah we can state it's wrong because it *is* wrong.

Edited, Feb 14th 2013 10:23pm by Viertel
#76 Feb 14 2013 at 11:15 PM Rating: Default
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The PS2 graphics are inferior to PC in every single way. Period.


Depends on the kind of PC, tbh

PS2s have much less variance in their quality
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