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#1 Jan 26 2013 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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More specifically, people who lie about being prepared for something when they're actually not, just so other people will stick around and help them.

Recent example of mine: Shouting for LB10 help.
Don't tell me you have a rarab tail when you actually don't, just to try to get me to help you.

You will be wasting your time and the time of everyone else you invite, but most importantly of all, you will be wasting my time.
It's that last bit there that's really unforgivable and will make me wish you never pass level 95.

Any related stories to share? Surely I can't be the only one who's dealt with something like this.
#2 Jan 26 2013 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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I hear that, I find that people respond pretty well to honesty, even if it means that they don't get what they want.

I recently started doing NNI as a sch. When I got invited as a sch, I was asked how my gear was. I could have said I have 450+ enhancing and savant's bracers +2. My gear wasn't visible. Instead I told him that I only had savant's bracers +1 and only 438 skill. They took me anyway and we won our very first run. second run had bad floor jumps and one floor took out two people in the space of seconds and we ended up leaving on floor 86. Third run we actually timed out fighting the floor 100 boss because we lost time due to gear aggro.

Our little group has since become kind of a mini static party, and I am now 3/15 on gear. I need 2 more seals and 1 more stone card for sch head +2 now and I will have 451 skill and I have already +2d my bracers.

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The worst is when you tell them ahead of time you don't have a lot of time, but if it's something that can be done in 30 minutes, then sure.

10 minutes later they're asking for a teleport to get to the first of five cutscenes.
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The worst is when you tell them ahead of time you don't have a lot of time, but if it's something that can be done in 30 minutes, then sure.

10 minutes later they're asking for a teleport to get to the first of five cutscenes.


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#5 Jan 26 2013 at 10:56 PM Rating: Good
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Think the following pretty much sums up my prior endgame LS experience:
"Be there at 8pm!"
8:20pm rolls around...
"Okay, we're all here, let's go!"

It painfully reminds me of dealing with my father where in the past he'd have to pick me up from school at certain times, only to be a half hour or more late religiously. It eventually got to the point where I started telling him 30m earlier than when I finished whatever, and sometimes I still wound up waiting. Needless to say, my driver's license couldn't come fast enough.
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I have to agree with Cat's example. Though to one up it; you join up to help, already several people in party, all are ready to go but one, they're out collecting <insertrandomCS/KI/questitem>. Of course you have no idea since they aren't answering /party and it turns out it's the leader's buddy and he fills you in 30min later on what's going on.

Also adding the ever popular "Be in Sky @ 11:00 sharp" and by 12:30 people are still trying to get up there and calling requests for drops while in-route.

Though the worst for me was doing the first couple chapters in CoP. Seemed like the extra people we'd pick up either had no maps/food/sneak/invis/clue on what they needed to do. I always made it a point to be right up to whatever I needed help with, be it BC/NM/gates/etc. But you'd waste half the night getting them caught up...only to fail the BC. And since it was now too late to try again, hope you can find peeps the next night.
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The worst is when you tell them ahead of time you don't have a lot of time, but if it's something that can be done in 30 minutes, then sure.

10 minutes later they're asking for a teleport to get to the first of five cutscenes.


Yea, eventually I just stopped offering myself up unless I knew I had a big chunk of time to devote. I don't think that people do it on purpose though, they just sometimes don't properly gauge how long a task is going to take.
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Being on time for events seems to be a skill of it's own.
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I wanted to do an assult.. got invited.. sweet...
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#10ItsAMyri, Posted: Jan 27 2013 at 9:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This one time there was a guy who wanted help with a quest, but it was his first character so he didn't even know exactly what to do for the quest. I was so mad I punched my cat.
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ItsAMyri wrote:
This one time there was a guy who wanted help with a quest, but it was his first character so he didn't even know exactly what to do for the quest. I was so mad I punched my cat.

Partying with me is like applying for a job, I expect 5 years minimum experience.


It's different when you know it's a newbie.

When it's someone who is on his third job to level 99, though...
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ItsAMyri wrote:
This one time there was a guy who wanted help with a quest, but it was his first character so he didn't even know exactly what to do for the quest. I was so mad I punched my cat.

Partying with me is like applying for a job, I expect 5 years minimum experience.


I pretty much hate you for taking this out on a poor cat :/
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This one time there was a guy who wanted help with a quest, but he didn't know what Google was so he didn't know exactly what to do for the quest. I was so mad I kicked a cat over a fence.
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Yeah had something similar happen trying to help someone with Fenir battle last week, they were anon so couldn't see rank but asked liked 5 times if they could get into Toraimarai Canal and of course we get there and turns out they cant open gate and stuck waiting for an hour to get some one to come open it.
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Yeah man, I seriously have no patience for people who play videogames without following a walkthrough. My time is valuable, that's why I spend it being a catgirl on the internet and collecting tokens which I turn in for new costumes for my internet catgirl.

I mean, who the **** treats FFXI like a game anymore? It's 2013. Everyone knows that immersion died in late 2005 and that the real purpose of this "game" is to quickly (very quickly-- I can't stress this enough) blitz through content you don't enjoy so that you can get back to blitzing your way through other content you don't enjoy.

I'm sure these casuals think it's harmless asking for my help and then alt tabbing to a map because they didn't have the common courtesy to practice-run the path until they could keep up with me, but you have to understand that I could have spent that time doing another voidwatch run or clearing NNI.

So that 'harmless' guy who made me wait twenty minutes because his grandmother fell in the shower (dude, seriously, make grandma shower BEFORE event time if she can't handle it) basically cost me like five Phorcy's Korazins. I'm pretty sure if I contacted my lawyer I could make him reimburse me for the lost value of my time.
#17 Jan 28 2013 at 1:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah man, I seriously have no patience for people who play videogames without following a walkthrough. My time is valuable, that's why I spend it being a catgirl on the internet and collecting tokens which I turn in for new costumes for my internet catgirl.

I mean, who the @#%^ treats FFXI like a game anymore? It's 2013. Everyone knows that immersion died in late 2005 and that the real purpose of this "game" is to quickly (very quickly-- I can't stress this enough) blitz through content you don't enjoy so that you can get back to blitzing your way through other content you don't enjoy.

I'm sure these casuals think it's harmless asking for my help and then alt tabbing to a map because they didn't have the common courtesy to practice-run the path until they could keep up with me, but you have to understand that I could have spent that time doing another voidwatch run or clearing NNI.

So that 'harmless' guy who made me wait twenty minutes because his grandmother fell in the shower (dude, seriously, make grandma shower BEFORE event time if she can't handle it) basically cost me like five Phorcy's Korazins. I'm pretty sure if I contacted my lawyer I could make him reimburse me for the lost value of my time.


The points you make are a bit irrelevant in regards to the instances that everyone else has mentioned. In Fynlar's case, the person legitimately lied to him to get his help, and the other instances people were referring to were instances of the players shouting for help on something, then making them wait as they're progressing through the quest line, especially when those that came to help had a limited amount of time. Walkthrough or not, it's rude to get help for something, then make them wait for you to get to the point where you need their help.

It's one thing if something comes up in the middle of what you're doing where you've got no choice but to drop what you're doing and tend to it (i.e. the case of the grandmother), but it's another matter entirely to say that you're prepared for something when asked in order to get help for it, then when you've actually convinced them to help you, you turn around and admit you weren't prepared at all. I understand completely when something pops up in real life, and I'd expect/hope they'd get up and leave the game to take care of that, but that's not what people are arguing about. They're talking about people not bothering to check to see if they're properly prepared for an event, or just blatantly lying to get help. It's just common courtesy to not keep people waiting if you can help it, which is what Fyn and everyone else was complaining about.

Myri, would you be more receptive to help someone if they were honest with you about how prepared they were for the fight, or if they lied about how prepared they were (saying they were more prepared than they were) only for you to find out as soon as you agreed to help them?
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Yeah man, I seriously have no patience for people who play videogames without following a walkthrough. My time is valuable, that's why I spend it being a catgirl on the internet and collecting tokens which I turn in for new costumes for my internet catgirl.

I mean, who the @#%^ treats FFXI like a game anymore? It's 2013. Everyone knows that immersion died in late 2005 and that the real purpose of this "game" is to quickly (very quickly-- I can't stress this enough) blitz through content you don't enjoy so that you can get back to blitzing your way through other content you don't enjoy.

I'm sure these casuals think it's harmless asking for my help and then alt tabbing to a map because they didn't have the common courtesy to practice-run the path until they could keep up with me, but you have to understand that I could have spent that time doing another voidwatch run or clearing NNI.

So that 'harmless' guy who made me wait twenty minutes because his grandmother fell in the shower (dude, seriously, make grandma shower BEFORE event time if she can't handle it) basically cost me like five Phorcy's Korazins. I'm pretty sure if I contacted my lawyer I could make him reimburse me for the lost value of my time.


tl;dr version: i'm a casual and ignorant of what matters to you but I need your help. I will throw down these keywords when I need them to get what I want.
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Being on time for events seems to be a skill of it's own.

+1

If I am late, go without me and it doesnt matter.

Been too many to describe, "We are leaving now" tends to mean "Come join us and go do your CS's and get your KIs while we wait".
I remember the old days of End game events starting at 6pm, Gather time 5:30PM. 6:30 "Sorry I am late, can you wait for me".
A few of us left a well known linkshell because we planned our own run to gain access to Sky, we got a few LS members along and ended up shouting at times to fill the party. Once the leader got on "Why didnt you make it an LS Event!!" What he actually meant was "Why cant we take all the level 30's - Snk/Invis every single one of them so they have access before they are level 75". As a result of us just doing it, we managed to get sky access in a very short amount of time. We made it clear we wasnt prepared to wait (unless we stated).

It does only take a second to /tell "Can I go get my CS's, KI's or anything else needed". Not just say CAN I COME!.

Moments like all the above is exactly why I am happy the way the game is in regards to no longer needing full parties or alliances to accomplish anything. In a full week of game play I find my self doing 6 months worth a few years back.
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Yeah man, I seriously have no patience for people who play videogames without following a walkthrough. My time is valuable, that's why I spend it being a catgirl on the internet and collecting tokens which I turn in for new costumes for my internet catgirl.

I mean, who the @#%^ treats FFXI like a game anymore? It's 2013. Everyone knows that immersion died in late 2005 and that the real purpose of this "game" is to quickly (very quickly-- I can't stress this enough) blitz through content you don't enjoy so that you can get back to blitzing your way through other content you don't enjoy.

I'm sure these casuals think it's harmless asking for my help and then alt tabbing to a map because they didn't have the common courtesy to practice-run the path until they could keep up with me, but you have to understand that I could have spent that time doing another voidwatch run or clearing NNI.

So that 'harmless' guy who made me wait twenty minutes because his grandmother fell in the shower (dude, seriously, make grandma shower BEFORE event time if she can't handle it) basically cost me like five Phorcy's Korazins. I'm pretty sure if I contacted my lawyer I could make him reimburse me for the lost value of my time.


I can't be sure, but I think he's trying to be comical. Either that or just clearing a blockage.

It wasn't funny in your first post, and it's not funny in this one, either.
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(a) everything; and/or (b) some imagined role you have for it, again or for the first time.

It's okay to want that. I just wish you were truthful about the reasons.
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People who cry about balance for their jobs on forums. Be honest: you really just want your job to be the top at:

(a) everything; and/or (b) some imagined role you have for it, again or for the first time.

It's okay to want that. I just wish you were truthful about the reasons.

I want my job to be DRK, not WAR+1.
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People who cry about balance for their jobs on forums. Be honest: you really just want your job to be the top at:

(a) everything; and/or (b) some imagined role you have for it, again or for the first time.

It's okay to want that. I just wish you were truthful about the reasons.

I want my job to be DRK, not WAR+1.


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All the people (yes, all three of you) getting trolled by Myri's obviously sarcastic post(s) is hilarious to me.

Except from Vlor, I see him get trolled all the time here so by now I kind of expect it :s

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Any related stories to share? Surely I can't be the only one who's dealt with something like this.

Not strictly related to preparedness - but back in the day, people claiming to have high crafting skill, offering to help out the LS by crafting valuable drops from HNMs into more valuable gear, then selling the materials instead (hard to believe that people would fall for that, but I've seen it happen). Or claiming to have high crafting skill, pretending to be nice by offering to synth something, but breaking your sh*t because they were really trying to skill up at no risk to themselves and couldn't have HQd it anyhow.

And of course, the most obvious (and quite common) of them all: dudes pretending to be dudettes. Oh, the drama...

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All the people (yes, all three of you) getting trolled by Myri's obviously sarcastic post(s) is hilarious to me.

Except from Vlor, I see him get trolled all the time here so by now I kind of expect it :s

Edited, Jan 28th 2013 4:43pm by Fynlar


Almost as hilarious as still struggling with time wasters in an MMO that you've been playing for 10 years.




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Almost as hilarious as still struggling with time wasters in an MMO that you've been playing for 10 years.


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Almost as hilarious as still struggling with time wasters in an MMO that you've been playing for 10 years.


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I do fell your time wasters pain. That's what caused me to post in the first place.
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I disagree with pretty much every post here as a reason to get **** of and rant about it. The guy probably didnt have any idea what he was talking about. He likely has seen similar shouts and figured thats the way you went about it. Possibly of course. There is a lot of new people coming behind us it seems. I think the announced expansion is helping, as well as the ease of catching up to a 10 year old player base. Thats cool.

But to let it harsh your mellow to the point of ranting about it makes you look like a sack of **** All of you. Some people don't know what they are doing, don't know where to find help. I mean this is Irony at best if you ask me.

The Circle jerk bagging on a bunch of new folks for needing help, on what seems to be a fairly popular gaming network. You folks crack me up.

Free Rog and all that!

Hypocrites.

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Except me of course. **** I'm usually telling somebody to do cutscenes and such before they even know they need to. If I do get asked for help and I know they still have some running around to do I just grill them verbally until they've done all requisite things while I afk in Jeuno and browse reddit because I had nothing better to do.
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I disagree with pretty much every post here as a reason to get **** of and rant about it. The guy probably didnt have any idea what he was talking about. He likely has seen similar shouts and figured thats the way you went about it. Possibly of course. There is a lot of new people coming behind us it seems. I think the announced expansion is helping, as well as the ease of catching up to a 10 year old player base. Thats cool.

But to let it harsh your mellow to the point of ranting about it makes you look like a sack of **** All of you. Some people don't know what they are doing, don't know where to find help. I mean this is Irony at best if you ask me.

The Circle jerk bagging on a bunch of new folks for needing help, on what seems to be a fairly popular gaming network. You folks crack me up.

Free Rog and all that!

Hypocrites.



Wait so you disagree that one should be upset regarding the various topics raised (direct dishonesty, failure to organize, etc)? Or that you can be **** off, but you shouldn't express that as a topic of discussion with like-minded people on a message board in the form of a "rant" (term used loosely)?

If its the first one then you must be the second coming of the Buddha or Christ-like in your ability to turn the other cheek. Even if the only reason one signs on for a given time is to help as many people as possible, having someone directly lie to you can be infuriating, especially if you're someone who values honesty. After all, its just a game, why you gotta lie to someone to get his/her help? Willful ignorance, such as "I could look this up and be prepared, but WTH I'll just shout and hope I get someone to figure it out for me" mentality is nearly as vexing. These aren't level 10 newbies asking "How do I level/gear", these are people that have gone through at least 9 other limit breaks, including one that nearly requires direct use of a guide site (maybe you solo stumble through LB1-3 or get help, but LB4? good luck without looking it up).

If its the second, I sincerely doubt anyone is actually "ranting". Yes I know the topic said "ranty", but it was pretty well composed. It is perhaps a rehashed topic, but FFXI is 10 years old, all there really is to discuss is rehashed topics, and speculate about Seekers. If one person realizes "Hey, being prepared makes things easier and helps me look better" as a result of the topic, well that's one less person apt to **** off everyone he tries to game with. This might lead to said person becoming more successful at the game, there by enjoying it more and playing longer, as opposed to being blacklisted by the 50-100 people on the server that will actually respond to requests for help with no vested interest, stagnating in the game and quitting. Or it'll do nothing. Shall we shut down the boards then? Guys stop posting and sing Kumbaya. Or better yet, just stop playing FFXI altogether, after all it's just a time waster y'all.

Anyone actually on this site is aware of the existence of FFXI sites which tell you exactly how to prepare for 99% of this game. Anyone who never accesses any external site ever is going to quit this game alone and frustrated. Who can help those who won't help themselves first?

There is a difference between needing help, and failure to help oneself. Needing help is saying "Hey can you help me with this fight?" and being honest if someone questions you about it and/or as upfront as possible ("No I don't have a rarab tail yet" or "Old Rarab Tail? What's that?").

Tl;dr Being an willfully-ignorant, dishonest **** is not a behavior to condone.
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You were helped at one point too, and you didnt know your **** from the whole in ground either. You were just as much as a nuisance as what you complain about now.

**** right you are hypocrites. You hit your plateau, you are the king of the game. You fought for a forum that welcomed people. Instead you **** on people who don't live up to your 10 year standards.

As for shutting down the boards. No. I just found it humorous that the very people who sought to restore order to the forums, are the very ones that berate those they sought to restore order for.

You make me laugh. Lets have a noob friendly community...so we can **** on them about asking the same questions. "LRN 2 Google Noob!".

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You were helped at one point too, and you didnt know your **** from the whole in ground either. You were just as much as a nuisance as what you complain about now.
Hypocrites.


Your totally right and wrong, I my self never fail to admit if I dont know what I am doing. 1st time I went on for Void watch I had no clue what I was doing and said in a /t do I need anything. There has been times when I didnt have certain things done and got passed over which I was totally fine about.

Takes a few seconds to say I have no clue in what this is about, I am coming along for the fun or drops etc. Do I need CS's? DO I need Ki's?

Hypcrites?

Well I have never gone along and said "Yes I have all the above *Well actually I dont but lets leech*".

Very big difference between what I have done when I was new to certain things compared to what some people here are talking about.
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I'm not sure if it counts as lying, but whenever i'm hunting a popped NM, and i see someone pop it as a pink wearing dancer with a terrible knife selection, i absolutely cringe.

If i'm standing there next to you as BST, having killed 5 of them in the past 20 minutes including farming new pop items from the surrounding monsters and i ask you "Do you need any help?", please dont answer "No, i'm good" or refuse to team up. It's not technically lying, but you really wont be able to take it easily.

I -know- you're not going to be killed by it. I asked because i dont want to wait 30+ minutes for you to drain samba/waltz your NM to death while i sit by waiting for my turn to pop. I'm not some jerk who's after your items, infact, we're probably not even after the same thing on the kill. I just want your monster dead so i can go on with my things.
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Pretty sure my little rant had nothing to do with player skill, preparation, or whatever. I just dislike people not being on time, which is basically an extension of failing to keep a promise that ultimately affects others in this case. Now, I'm not gonna sit here and call myself Mother Theresa or some such, but I also have the mind to ask when I'm going to help someone with something I know about precisely where they are in the process. Not doing that and suddenly being surprised is a failure of information gathering on your part. And while I tend not to jump blindly into things I don't know something about, I've found that if I'm met with some rage face, I really don't want to be playing with those people anyway. Indeed, I can't forget everyone's a newbie at some point. Those who willfully **** about the ignorant while having no motivation to teach get exactly what they deserve. Of course, the MMO genre has no shortage of crotchety old vets who believe certain things should unconditionally be certain ways, typically for the worst of the genre's future.
#37 Jan 30 2013 at 5:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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You were helped at one point too, and you didnt know your **** from the whole in ground either. You were just as much as a nuisance as what you complain about now.

**** right you are hypocrites. You hit your plateau, you are the king of the game. You fought for a forum that welcomed people. Instead you sh*t on people who don't live up to your 10 year standards.

As for shutting down the boards. No. I just found it humorous that the very people who sought to restore order to the forums, are the very ones that berate those they sought to restore order for.

You make me laugh. Lets have a noob friendly community...so we can sh*t on them about asking the same questions. "LRN 2 Google Noob!".

Hypocrites.


If you read about the complaints everyone has been voicing, the big problems have been about those who garnered help under false pretenses (Fynlar's case) or intentionally held people up despite knowing that those people were short on time. The fact that Fyn and the others were willing to help shows that they aren't the pomous "kings of the game" that you claim they are, but the generosity they were showing was being abused in some form.

I'm certain that you would feel just as annoyed if someone asked you for help, you asked them if they had acquired a certain item or reached a certain point, they said they had, then when it came time, they turn around and said that they lied to get your help. All it took for these people was to say right at the start that they weren't prepared, and that'd be that. However, they were knowingly unprepared, but didn't bother divulging that or, worse, lied about it.

Yes, we've been trying to make these forums more newb friendly, but the behavior that these "new" players are exhibiting isn't something to be condoned, because it is just rude and inconsiderate. If these were veteran players acting this way, I'm certain that you wouldn't condone it, so why should we be accepting of new players doing the same? It's disrespectful for people to be rude to others in such a way, since that just makes those that were initially willing to help turn around and no longer wish to be so considerate in the future.

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#38 Jan 30 2013 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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I disagree with pretty much every post here as a reason to get **** of and rant about it. The guy probably didnt have any idea what he was talking about. He likely has seen similar shouts and figured thats the way you went about it. Possibly of course. There is a lot of new people coming behind us it seems. I think the announced expansion is helping, as well as the ease of catching up to a 10 year old player base. Thats cool.

But to let it harsh your mellow to the point of ranting about it makes you look like a sack of **** All of you. Some people don't know what they are doing, don't know where to find help. I mean this is Irony at best if you ask me.

The Circle jerk bagging on a bunch of new folks for needing help, on what seems to be a fairly popular gaming network. You folks crack me up.

Free Rog and all that!

Hypocrites.

Edited, Jan 30th 2013 1:11am by rdmcandie


Me thinks you epitomize that which you accuse others of being.

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#39 Jan 30 2013 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Think the following pretty much sums up my prior endgame LS experience:
"Be there at 8pm!"
8:20pm rolls around...
"Okay, we're all here, let's go!"


One thousand times this. When I was in an Abyssea LS early last year before I took my hundredth break this happened all the time. Our start time would be 7:00 PM and end time was 11:00 PM. Around 8:00 - 8:30 or so everyone would finally show up and act like nothing was wrong. Then 11:00 PM rolls around and I'm leaving because I have work and class the next day, everyone decides to get **** at me for leaving instead of staying on an extra hour until midnight because we started late.

I don't know. To me that's just ridiculous. Start times (and end times to an extent) exist for a reason.
#40 Jan 30 2013 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Seriha wrote:
Think the following pretty much sums up my prior endgame LS experience:
"Be there at 8pm!"
8:20pm rolls around...
"Okay, we're all here, let's go!"


One thousand times this. When I was in an Abyssea LS early last year before I took my hundredth break this happened all the time. Our start time would be 7:00 PM and end time was 11:00 PM. Around 8:00 - 8:30 or so everyone would finally show up and act like nothing was wrong. Then 11:00 PM rolls around and I'm leaving because I have work and class the next day, everyone decides to get **** at me for leaving instead of staying on an extra hour until midnight because we started late.

I don't know. To me that's just ridiculous. Start times (and end times to an extent) exist for a reason.


And the people that got **** at you probably made rules about more time attending events = extra points to lot stuff too right?

Funny how it's okay for them to want your help (just like what Fyn complained about in OP) but not okay for them to be prepared.

That's the real hyopcrisy and yes that was aimed at you rdmcandie.
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I have to admit I get annoyed when people want me to step by step them through missions when it is a lot easier for everyone if they just pull up wiki.

I usually just tell them to pull up wiki. If they don't, I decline to help them further. I don't think that's being unreasonable. It's fine if something isn't working or whatever, and they need help troubleshooting, but if they want me to be like "walk six steps to the left... touch that ???... no the one three steps over" or whatever, I usually have no patience. I do, however, have patience for standing around letting mobs wail on me so people can get some of the more difficult blu spells or whatever...

Also I have a terrible sense of direction so I never really offer that kind of help to people. I do actually sometimes ask for help finding things just cause of that. But mostly I just take 3 hours to do something that could have taken 40 minutes because I suck at directions. Oh well. That's why I leveled brd. Or it would take 5 hours.
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#42 Jan 30 2013 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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You were helped at one point too, and you didnt know your **** from the whole in ground either. You were just as much as a nuisance as what you complain about now.

**** right you are hypocrites. You hit your plateau, you are the king of the game. You fought for a forum that welcomed people. Instead you sh*t on people who don't live up to your 10 year standards.

As for shutting down the boards. No. I just found it humorous that the very people who sought to restore order to the forums, are the very ones that berate those they sought to restore order for.

You make me laugh. Lets have a noob friendly community...so we can sh*t on them about asking the same questions. "LRN 2 Google Noob!".

Hypocrites.


Wow you really torched that strawman. Good Job!

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Tl;dr Being an willfully-ignorant, dishonest **** is not a behavior to condone.


I got nothing against people who want to learn. You know what shows you want to learn? Taking the time to at least glance at what something requires, or being honest that you haven't. At that point, I can choose to help you with what you actually need help with, instead of joining under false pretenses.

Funny thing is, we're not talking about brand new people to the game (where do I level from 10+), nor anyone on this forum. No one here has mentioned anything about "asking questions" or "knowing everything about everything FFXI by rote". (See, this is your strawman)

These are people doing generally higher level events (LB10, VW, Abyssea), who either directly lie to get your help, or lie indirectly by failing to mention that "Hey I'm forming a group for XYZ but I expect someone to hold my hand through it, because I can't be assed to do anything for myself". (Other common gripe is general event tardiness which I notice you've got nothing to say about... you don't wanna play devil's advocate here too?)

As for me, personally, yes there have been times when I've gotten assistance, and **** I'll even go so far as to say I've had my hand held through a few things. Some differences here: I didn't lie that I was prepared when I wasn't, if I didn't know what I was doing I said so, and I didn't imply I knew what I was doing by forming a group for something hoping that someone else will do/have done the learning for me.

If anyone is being berated, it has nothing to do with "10 year standards", and everything to do with "normal standards of human interaction". Ever helped someone move? If someone asks you to help them move, do you expect that they will be ready be moved when you come to help, or would you be totally cool with someone asking you to help them move, then them expecting you to come and pack their house, break down their furniture and hire the moving van. Or if we want to keep it to just "time-wasters" how about you set up a group of friends to have a paintball match on Saturday, then once everyone is gathered and ready to go you say "OK so guys where do I buy a paintball gun and gear?". People who organize events (which is what shouting for group _is_) are expected to be prepared to host said event. People who join an event with a given criteria are expected to meet that criteria (have your paintball gear ready). This is a pretty basic personal interaction thing, and just because you're behind a computer monitor or because its a game doesn't make you less of a **** when you fail at humanness.

Once again, if this thread helps one newbie recognize that being prepared makes people like to group with you, and lying/failing makes people blacklist you, then it's likely done more good then the last 10 "Hey guys what server should I join/how do I level/what's abyssea" threads combined. It's easy to forget that those other 2-18 names in your party list are also people sitting at a computer (just like you!), and not everyone is there to cater to your whims, and let you walk all over them. That's the best lesson anyone can learn by far, and makes this forum far more "noob friendly" than "here let me wiki/repost the answer for you".
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You were helped at one point too, and you didnt know your **** from the whole in ground either. You were just as much as a nuisance as what you complain about now.

**** right you are hypocrites. You hit your plateau, you are the king of the game. You fought for a forum that welcomed people. Instead you sh*t on people who don't live up to your 10 year standards.

As for shutting down the boards. No. I just found it humorous that the very people who sought to restore order to the forums, are the very ones that berate those they sought to restore order for.

You make me laugh. Lets have a noob friendly community...so we can sh*t on them about asking the same questions. "LRN 2 Google Noob!".

Hypocrites.


Hypocrites? I was around for the green arrow movement and the infamous yellow thread and all that **** back in the day when this forum was degenerating into a **** and even I don't know wtf you are talking about. Are you really still that po'd about Rog? Really? Let it go.

Back on topic, people who lie to get help and refuse to help themselves don't deserve anyone's time. There's a big difference between the wide-eyed adventurer starting his very first Galka lost in Gustaberg posting on Alla for some advice, and that **** you saw leeching an aby pt on his level 30 naked war now expecting you, a complete stranger, to farm his rarab tail that he oops, "forgot" as you wiped to the bcnm he SWORE he was prepared for.

This thread would have never been started if instead of shouting for help with the limit break (that he obviously knew enough about to figure out), he had first shouted for help with farming the tail.
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