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#1 Jan 26 2013 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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More specifically, people who lie about being prepared for something when they're actually not, just so other people will stick around and help them.

Recent example of mine: Shouting for LB10 help.
Don't tell me you have a rarab tail when you actually don't, just to try to get me to help you.

You will be wasting your time and the time of everyone else you invite, but most importantly of all, you will be wasting my time.
It's that last bit there that's really unforgivable and will make me wish you never pass level 95.

Any related stories to share? Surely I can't be the only one who's dealt with something like this.
#2 Jan 26 2013 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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I hear that, I find that people respond pretty well to honesty, even if it means that they don't get what they want.

I recently started doing NNI as a sch. When I got invited as a sch, I was asked how my gear was. I could have said I have 450+ enhancing and savant's bracers +2. My gear wasn't visible. Instead I told him that I only had savant's bracers +1 and only 438 skill. They took me anyway and we won our very first run. second run had bad floor jumps and one floor took out two people in the space of seconds and we ended up leaving on floor 86. Third run we actually timed out fighting the floor 100 boss because we lost time due to gear aggro.

Our little group has since become kind of a mini static party, and I am now 3/15 on gear. I need 2 more seals and 1 more stone card for sch head +2 now and I will have 451 skill and I have already +2d my bracers.

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#3 Jan 26 2013 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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The worst is when you tell them ahead of time you don't have a lot of time, but if it's something that can be done in 30 minutes, then sure.

10 minutes later they're asking for a teleport to get to the first of five cutscenes.
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The worst is when you tell them ahead of time you don't have a lot of time, but if it's something that can be done in 30 minutes, then sure.

10 minutes later they're asking for a teleport to get to the first of five cutscenes.


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#5 Jan 26 2013 at 10:56 PM Rating: Good
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Think the following pretty much sums up my prior endgame LS experience:
"Be there at 8pm!"
8:20pm rolls around...
"Okay, we're all here, let's go!"

It painfully reminds me of dealing with my father where in the past he'd have to pick me up from school at certain times, only to be a half hour or more late religiously. It eventually got to the point where I started telling him 30m earlier than when I finished whatever, and sometimes I still wound up waiting. Needless to say, my driver's license couldn't come fast enough.
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#6 Jan 27 2013 at 4:30 AM Rating: Good
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I have to agree with Cat's example. Though to one up it; you join up to help, already several people in party, all are ready to go but one, they're out collecting <insertrandomCS/KI/questitem>. Of course you have no idea since they aren't answering /party and it turns out it's the leader's buddy and he fills you in 30min later on what's going on.

Also adding the ever popular "Be in Sky @ 11:00 sharp" and by 12:30 people are still trying to get up there and calling requests for drops while in-route.

Though the worst for me was doing the first couple chapters in CoP. Seemed like the extra people we'd pick up either had no maps/food/sneak/invis/clue on what they needed to do. I always made it a point to be right up to whatever I needed help with, be it BC/NM/gates/etc. But you'd waste half the night getting them caught up...only to fail the BC. And since it was now too late to try again, hope you can find peeps the next night.
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#7 Jan 27 2013 at 7:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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The worst is when you tell them ahead of time you don't have a lot of time, but if it's something that can be done in 30 minutes, then sure.

10 minutes later they're asking for a teleport to get to the first of five cutscenes.


Yea, eventually I just stopped offering myself up unless I knew I had a big chunk of time to devote. I don't think that people do it on purpose though, they just sometimes don't properly gauge how long a task is going to take.
#8 Jan 27 2013 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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Being on time for events seems to be a skill of it's own.
#9 Jan 27 2013 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I wanted to do an assult.. got invited.. sweet...
guy said "i dont have that staging point how do you get there?"
me.. "im out"
#10ItsAMyri, Posted: Jan 27 2013 at 9:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This one time there was a guy who wanted help with a quest, but it was his first character so he didn't even know exactly what to do for the quest. I was so mad I punched my cat.
#11 Jan 27 2013 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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ItsAMyri wrote:
This one time there was a guy who wanted help with a quest, but it was his first character so he didn't even know exactly what to do for the quest. I was so mad I punched my cat.

Partying with me is like applying for a job, I expect 5 years minimum experience.


It's different when you know it's a newbie.

When it's someone who is on his third job to level 99, though...
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#12 Jan 27 2013 at 5:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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ItsAMyri wrote:
This one time there was a guy who wanted help with a quest, but it was his first character so he didn't even know exactly what to do for the quest. I was so mad I punched my cat.

Partying with me is like applying for a job, I expect 5 years minimum experience.


I pretty much hate you for taking this out on a poor cat :/
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This one time there was a guy who wanted help with a quest, but he didn't know what Google was so he didn't know exactly what to do for the quest. I was so mad I kicked a cat over a fence.
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#14 Jan 27 2013 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah had something similar happen trying to help someone with Fenir battle last week, they were anon so couldn't see rank but asked liked 5 times if they could get into Toraimarai Canal and of course we get there and turns out they cant open gate and stuck waiting for an hour to get some one to come open it.
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#16 Jan 27 2013 at 10:29 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah man, I seriously have no patience for people who play videogames without following a walkthrough. My time is valuable, that's why I spend it being a catgirl on the internet and collecting tokens which I turn in for new costumes for my internet catgirl.

I mean, who the **** treats FFXI like a game anymore? It's 2013. Everyone knows that immersion died in late 2005 and that the real purpose of this "game" is to quickly (very quickly-- I can't stress this enough) blitz through content you don't enjoy so that you can get back to blitzing your way through other content you don't enjoy.

I'm sure these casuals think it's harmless asking for my help and then alt tabbing to a map because they didn't have the common courtesy to practice-run the path until they could keep up with me, but you have to understand that I could have spent that time doing another voidwatch run or clearing NNI.

So that 'harmless' guy who made me wait twenty minutes because his grandmother fell in the shower (dude, seriously, make grandma shower BEFORE event time if she can't handle it) basically cost me like five Phorcy's Korazins. I'm pretty sure if I contacted my lawyer I could make him reimburse me for the lost value of my time.
#17 Jan 28 2013 at 1:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah man, I seriously have no patience for people who play videogames without following a walkthrough. My time is valuable, that's why I spend it being a catgirl on the internet and collecting tokens which I turn in for new costumes for my internet catgirl.

I mean, who the @#%^ treats FFXI like a game anymore? It's 2013. Everyone knows that immersion died in late 2005 and that the real purpose of this "game" is to quickly (very quickly-- I can't stress this enough) blitz through content you don't enjoy so that you can get back to blitzing your way through other content you don't enjoy.

I'm sure these casuals think it's harmless asking for my help and then alt tabbing to a map because they didn't have the common courtesy to practice-run the path until they could keep up with me, but you have to understand that I could have spent that time doing another voidwatch run or clearing NNI.

So that 'harmless' guy who made me wait twenty minutes because his grandmother fell in the shower (dude, seriously, make grandma shower BEFORE event time if she can't handle it) basically cost me like five Phorcy's Korazins. I'm pretty sure if I contacted my lawyer I could make him reimburse me for the lost value of my time.


The points you make are a bit irrelevant in regards to the instances that everyone else has mentioned. In Fynlar's case, the person legitimately lied to him to get his help, and the other instances people were referring to were instances of the players shouting for help on something, then making them wait as they're progressing through the quest line, especially when those that came to help had a limited amount of time. Walkthrough or not, it's rude to get help for something, then make them wait for you to get to the point where you need their help.

It's one thing if something comes up in the middle of what you're doing where you've got no choice but to drop what you're doing and tend to it (i.e. the case of the grandmother), but it's another matter entirely to say that you're prepared for something when asked in order to get help for it, then when you've actually convinced them to help you, you turn around and admit you weren't prepared at all. I understand completely when something pops up in real life, and I'd expect/hope they'd get up and leave the game to take care of that, but that's not what people are arguing about. They're talking about people not bothering to check to see if they're properly prepared for an event, or just blatantly lying to get help. It's just common courtesy to not keep people waiting if you can help it, which is what Fyn and everyone else was complaining about.

Myri, would you be more receptive to help someone if they were honest with you about how prepared they were for the fight, or if they lied about how prepared they were (saying they were more prepared than they were) only for you to find out as soon as you agreed to help them?
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#18 Jan 28 2013 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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ItsAMyri wrote:
Yeah man, I seriously have no patience for people who play videogames without following a walkthrough. My time is valuable, that's why I spend it being a catgirl on the internet and collecting tokens which I turn in for new costumes for my internet catgirl.

I mean, who the @#%^ treats FFXI like a game anymore? It's 2013. Everyone knows that immersion died in late 2005 and that the real purpose of this "game" is to quickly (very quickly-- I can't stress this enough) blitz through content you don't enjoy so that you can get back to blitzing your way through other content you don't enjoy.

I'm sure these casuals think it's harmless asking for my help and then alt tabbing to a map because they didn't have the common courtesy to practice-run the path until they could keep up with me, but you have to understand that I could have spent that time doing another voidwatch run or clearing NNI.

So that 'harmless' guy who made me wait twenty minutes because his grandmother fell in the shower (dude, seriously, make grandma shower BEFORE event time if she can't handle it) basically cost me like five Phorcy's Korazins. I'm pretty sure if I contacted my lawyer I could make him reimburse me for the lost value of my time.


tl;dr version: i'm a casual and ignorant of what matters to you but I need your help. I will throw down these keywords when I need them to get what I want.
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Being on time for events seems to be a skill of it's own.

+1

If I am late, go without me and it doesnt matter.

Been too many to describe, "We are leaving now" tends to mean "Come join us and go do your CS's and get your KIs while we wait".
I remember the old days of End game events starting at 6pm, Gather time 5:30PM. 6:30 "Sorry I am late, can you wait for me".
A few of us left a well known linkshell because we planned our own run to gain access to Sky, we got a few LS members along and ended up shouting at times to fill the party. Once the leader got on "Why didnt you make it an LS Event!!" What he actually meant was "Why cant we take all the level 30's - Snk/Invis every single one of them so they have access before they are level 75". As a result of us just doing it, we managed to get sky access in a very short amount of time. We made it clear we wasnt prepared to wait (unless we stated).

It does only take a second to /tell "Can I go get my CS's, KI's or anything else needed". Not just say CAN I COME!.

Moments like all the above is exactly why I am happy the way the game is in regards to no longer needing full parties or alliances to accomplish anything. In a full week of game play I find my self doing 6 months worth a few years back.
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People who join Voidwatch City clears saying they have access to all Cavernous Maws when they really don't.
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ItsAMyri wrote:
Yeah man, I seriously have no patience for people who play videogames without following a walkthrough. My time is valuable, that's why I spend it being a catgirl on the internet and collecting tokens which I turn in for new costumes for my internet catgirl.

I mean, who the @#%^ treats FFXI like a game anymore? It's 2013. Everyone knows that immersion died in late 2005 and that the real purpose of this "game" is to quickly (very quickly-- I can't stress this enough) blitz through content you don't enjoy so that you can get back to blitzing your way through other content you don't enjoy.

I'm sure these casuals think it's harmless asking for my help and then alt tabbing to a map because they didn't have the common courtesy to practice-run the path until they could keep up with me, but you have to understand that I could have spent that time doing another voidwatch run or clearing NNI.

So that 'harmless' guy who made me wait twenty minutes because his grandmother fell in the shower (dude, seriously, make grandma shower BEFORE event time if she can't handle it) basically cost me like five Phorcy's Korazins. I'm pretty sure if I contacted my lawyer I could make him reimburse me for the lost value of my time.


I can't be sure, but I think he's trying to be comical. Either that or just clearing a blockage.

It wasn't funny in your first post, and it's not funny in this one, either.
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People who cry about balance for their jobs on forums. Be honest: you really just want your job to be the top at:

(a) everything; and/or (b) some imagined role you have for it, again or for the first time.

It's okay to want that. I just wish you were truthful about the reasons.
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People who cry about balance for their jobs on forums. Be honest: you really just want your job to be the top at:

(a) everything; and/or (b) some imagined role you have for it, again or for the first time.

It's okay to want that. I just wish you were truthful about the reasons.

I want my job to be DRK, not WAR+1.
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People who cry about balance for their jobs on forums. Be honest: you really just want your job to be the top at:

(a) everything; and/or (b) some imagined role you have for it, again or for the first time.

It's okay to want that. I just wish you were truthful about the reasons.

I want my job to be DRK, not WAR+1.


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All the people (yes, all three of you) getting trolled by Myri's obviously sarcastic post(s) is hilarious to me.

Except from Vlor, I see him get trolled all the time here so by now I kind of expect it :s

Edited, Jan 28th 2013 4:43pm by Fynlar
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Any related stories to share? Surely I can't be the only one who's dealt with something like this.

Not strictly related to preparedness - but back in the day, people claiming to have high crafting skill, offering to help out the LS by crafting valuable drops from HNMs into more valuable gear, then selling the materials instead (hard to believe that people would fall for that, but I've seen it happen). Or claiming to have high crafting skill, pretending to be nice by offering to synth something, but breaking your sh*t because they were really trying to skill up at no risk to themselves and couldn't have HQd it anyhow.

And of course, the most obvious (and quite common) of them all: dudes pretending to be dudettes. Oh, the drama...

Edited, Jan 28th 2013 5:05pm by VxSote
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