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#27 Jan 28 2013 at 10:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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How is a free weapon equal to a 450 mil weapon?
Let's break this down, do you go out of your way to help EVERYONE that asks for help with 85 - 90 progression on some of the Empys? I.e The Khim paths, especially post Abyssea craze? Especially for people who can't brew it constantly or just started the game and working their way through all of this?

You'll be lying if you say yes. That's who pick the weapons in prizes because not everyone was or is lucky enough to get the supposed "free weapon".


Such a lovely condescending attitude w/ no substance...

Everyone can brew constantly. You cash solo farm enough cruor to brew any nm.
Actually, no, they can't, as he already mentioned, players (like me) who haven't done the Abby grind to gear up can't solo farm 200k per brew, and don't see ever being able to do so. Abby to new players is largely closed, people these days don't have the patience while newcomers learn the arcane and highly convoluted mechanics Abby requires one to know off by heart.

His tone was valid.


Regarding the arcane mechanics of Abyssea, they're not that hard. Just different It took everyone a month or two to figure it out the lights when it first came out, but once we did get it figured out, it turned out to not be that complex at all.

If you have a decent linkshell, getting geared up with Abyssea goodies shouldn't be difficult at all. My linkshell runs Abyssea seal parties and stuff all the time. I've personally brewed Shinryu to get some folks their final clear and Atma of the Apocalypse.

It won't happen instantly, though. Abyssea's incremental progress system means that slow and steady wins the race.
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#28 Jan 28 2013 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Aby is not closed to new players at all.
You should take a closer look at the details. There are really good wiki pages and threads with abyssea details. There are also many experienced players who will answer questions. You could even grind vw in pugs instead of Abby Sea for cruor to brew with.

You can often get the best atma for free if you just ask the groups which are doing the ones you want. It only takes a small collection of good atma to solo a huge amount of abyssea.

Sounds to me like you just are not trying.
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Yeah this thread is doing a really good job of reminding me why I quit.
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#30 Jan 28 2013 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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Picking a lv90 emp (or any set of emp armor, for that matter) for your prize is a huge squandering of the odds you just defied to win it, there's pretty much no way around that. This can be easily determined by simply comparing experiences between people who've finished any sort of empyrean stuff (a whole **** of a lot of people) and people who've finished things like a relic or mythic (a whole lot less, particularly so for mythic). I can and have finished whole sets of +2 armor from scratch for people in the span of a single day on several occasions, no joke.

As much as it's perfectly within one's rights to choose that as their prize, it's also perfectly within my rights to laugh at them for it :s
#31 Jan 28 2013 at 5:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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You could take the cash and pay people to get you a level 90 Empy and still have 80% of it left over.
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#32 Jan 28 2013 at 5:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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You could take the cash and pay people to get you a level 90 Empy and still have 80% of it left over.


There's that, as well
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1) VW is the new Cruor farming, and for an individual (i.e. as opposed to someone with a bunch of mules sitting in a FC party) it generates Cruor faster than Abyssea ever did. Start spamming stuff like Qilin, Jeuno T5/T6, Morta... you'll be rolling in cruor in no time, with lots of chances to get some great items and sellables (HMPs, Riftcinder) at the same time. Semi-regular VW is totally funding my remaining lv90 empys, which I can basically solo with minimal effort with me + mule getting pop sets and brewing a couple pops at a time.

2) Everyone should understand that the difficulty of obtaining the base weapon is clearly Mythic (hardest) - Relic - Empy (easiest). I'd personally certainly go for the Mythic, and anyone who cares about any job with a decent Mythic would probably be well served to do the same. But in some circumstances I can see why a person might not care to select a Mythic for a rank 1 prize. Maybe you only care to play jobs that have a relatively crappy Mythic - NIN THF RNG BRD COR etc.

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You could take the cash and pay people to get you a level 90 Empy and still have 80% of it left over.


Yeah, that's pretty hard to argue against. Especially for Relics, if you really wanted one you could take the gil prize and very quickly buy ALL of the currency to get a lv75 weapon, AND all/most of the Umbral Marrows to get it to 99. I'd be disgusted with someone who couldn't be bothered to do the fairly simply 75-95 Relic trials.

While an Empy would take a bit more time just to get through the NM phases and get all the pops/items you need, you could totally merc all of the lv80/85/90 items and have plenty of money left over to buy Heavy Metal Plates and Riftdross/cinders.
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While an Empy would take a bit more time just to get through the NM phases and get all the pops/items you need, you could totally merc all of the lv80/85/90 items and have plenty of money left over to buy Heavy Metal Plates and Riftdross/cinders.

Eh, you'd maybe put a dent into HMPs.
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#35 Jan 28 2013 at 8:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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While an Empy would take a bit more time just to get through the NM phases and get all the pops/items you need, you could totally merc all of the lv80/85/90 items and have plenty of money left over to buy Heavy Metal Plates and Riftdross/cinders.

Eh, you'd maybe put a dent into HMPs.


hmp's have been dropping in price on bahamut lately.

down to 80k/each quite regularly. thats 120 mil for the 90>95 upgrade.
Thats cheaper than a relic atm.
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On Phoenix 75k for HMP is the norm and can get lucky and find them for 70k.
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I have seen some plates going for under 100k a few weeks ago, but now I can't find any and most of the ones I do see are over 100k.

If the popularity of VW continues to drop as most people expect it will, I can only see those prices getting higher, tbh

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#38 Jan 29 2013 at 2:17 AM Rating: Good
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I still see shouts for abby exp parties, seal farming parties and wiki has it all out lined and easy to understand.

Shouts, yes, but tell them you're new and don't understand the mechanics and forget it.

The Wiki contains a load of impenetrable information for those who weren't part of the gradual learning process, when little bits of strategy became apparent as people explored it, now it's a huge chunk of confusing 'proc this' 'coloured light that' which is impossible to absorb all at once, which is what the playerbase expects now they've all done it: typically, XI is hostile to new players because the vast majority have forgotten what it's like to be a noob.

You're not a newbie, you've forgotten what it was like to try to come to something as vast as Abby knowing nothing and have to deal with the expectations of those, like yourself, who know all about it.
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I was absent for the most part from aby till scars, I came in once all the procs were well flushed out and the wiki was already put together. I was told to read the wiki and that is what I did. Yellow procing is very basic you land a spell from the proc list of the day of, the day before. and the following day while the mob is not casting or readying a tp move it doesn't more basic then that. If you can understand that fact there is not that much more to a seal party. The page explaining weakness triggering can't get any easier to understand.

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Weakness Yellow - triggered by casting a specific magic spell on the NM. The spell's element coincides with the element of the current day, the previous day, or the next day of the Vana'diel week. The "current day" is determined when the monster was made active (by aggro, claiming, or popping).
Greatly enhances drop rate for synthesis items. Drop rate for AF3 (Empyrean Armor) upgrade items is also increased, and additional "drop slots" for these items may be added depending on the NM and type of upgrade item.
Has no effect on the drop rate for Empyrean Weapon upgrade items.
It is necessary for the spell to accurately hit, regardless of its effectiveness, in order to potentially trigger a weakness. For instance, a resisted Dispel will not be able to trigger weakness. However, using Dispel for "no effect" against the enemy (due to the enemy not having any buffs to be dispelled) is treated as a successfully landed cast and may still trigger weakness.
Inflicts Silence on the enemy for 30 seconds, with halved duration on each repeated use. The message displayed in the log will read:

"<Player>'s attack staggers the fiend!
The fiend is unable to cast magic."


That is taken straight from wiki's weakness triggering it is also followed with a table that out lines every spell that is a proc. There is also one for red and blu procing. I don't know how much clearer it can be presented and if it is ingame or out of game you still have to read and this is by far better then someone typing into party chat trying to convey all this info that can be either printed out or open in another window.

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Can someone tell me exactly how this works?

I understand that you can get up to 10 marbles.

As for winning: Im guessing the digits you can pick on those marbles are 0-99?
And the objective is to get a match?
Say I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 , 8 , 9 , 15, and two of the winning numbers are 2 and 15, then means I get a Rank 4 prize?
Or am I mistaken? Trying to understand this event, thanks in advance



Edited, Jan 29th 2013 8:59am by AlexFitz
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Can someone tell me exactly how this works?

I understand that you can get up to 10 marbles.

As for winning: Im guessing the digits you can pick on those marbles are 0-99?
And the objective is to get a match?
Say I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 , 8 , 9 , 15, and two of the winning numbers are 2 and 15, then means I get a Rank 4 prize?
Or am I mistaken? Trying to understand this event, thanks in advance



Edited, Jan 29th 2013 8:59am by AlexFitz

You choose 5 Numbers in a specific order 0-9. Each rank has it's own winning number. (Rank 3 can be 534 while rank 1 might be 27401) You must match the numbers IN ORDER to get the prize. I believe in the case of the lower ranks it starts with the number on the right and goes left. But it's been awhile so I might be mistaken and it starts on the left.(Aka You get **** if you had 53467 but win rank 3 if you had 12534)
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Laxedrane the Irrelevant wrote:
AlexFitz wrote:
Can someone tell me exactly how this works?

I understand that you can get up to 10 marbles.

As for winning: Im guessing the digits you can pick on those marbles are 0-99?
And the objective is to get a match?
Say I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 , 8 , 9 , 15, and two of the winning numbers are 2 and 15, then means I get a Rank 4 prize?
Or am I mistaken? Trying to understand this event, thanks in advance



Edited, Jan 29th 2013 8:59am by AlexFitz

You choose 5 Numbers in a specific order 0-9. Each rank has it's own winning number. (Rank 3 can be 534 while rank 1 might be 27401) You must match the numbers IN ORDER to get the prize. I believe in the case of the lower ranks it starts with the number on the right and goes left. But it's been awhile so I might be mistaken and it starts on the left.(Aka You get sh*t if you had 53467 but win rank 3 if you had 12534)




I don't think that's entirely right, though I've never done it. This is taken from the linked page:

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The Mog Bonanza is a number-guessing game in which you pick a five-digit number of your choice, kupo. Playing is simple! Purchase a Mog Bonanza marble (*1) from a Bonanza Moogle at designated areas (*2), then have the vendor inscribe your desired five-digit number on it, kupo. (*3) If you can't decide on a number, we moogles will be more than happy to pick one for you. The winning numbers will be announced at a later date, so sit tight and leave the rest to Lady Luck, kupo!

The conditions for winning are as follows:

Rank 1 prize: all five digits matching.
Rank 2 prize: the last four digits matching.
Rank 3 prize: the last three digits matching.
Rank 4 prize: the last two digits matching.
Rank 5 prize: the last digit matching.
Rank 6 prize: No digits matching.

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The way I read that is that after you've gotten your five digit number on the reveal day they release the winning 5 digit number.

Say it's 66543

If you had 12334 you would get 0 prizes for no matching digits. If you had 12333 you'd get rank 5 for the last digit matching. 12343 would give rank 4 etc etc with Rank 1 only going to the people who had "66543" as their exact number.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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They choose different numbers for each stage. Rank 5 is just one digit, and if your last digit matches you win a rank 5 with that marble if you don't win a higher rank.

Your assumption is fine, and how everyone thought it would work the first time, but it works the way Laxedrane posted.

How do we know? This isn't the first Mog Bonanza, lol.
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They choose different numbers for each stage. Rank 5 is just one digit, and if your last digit matches you win a rank 5 with that marble if you don't win a higher rank.

Your assumption is fine, and how everyone thought it would work the first time, but it works the way Laxedrane posted.

How do we know? This isn't the first Mog Bonanza, lol.


Hmm. I don't know why, I'm not a math pro or anything like that but I almost wish it worked the way I thought it did. But with them choosing 5 different numbers I guess it raises the odds of winning something nicer? For instance, if you think rank 1 and rank 2 are "nice" prizes you get two different numbers to try to match, or something?

Maybe it's better it works the way it does, I dunno..
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Shouldn't change the odds at all. matching the last number of the rank 1 doesn't give you a rank 5. You only win rank 5 if you match rank 5.

I think it's set up this way so a rank 1 doesn't also win a rank 2, 3, 4, and 5.
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I believe a rank 1 number can be drawn in such a way that it lines up with a rank 5.

So if rank 1 = 12345 and rank 5 = 5, then you'd win both, but only get to choose from rank 1.
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I believe a rank 1 number can be drawn in such a way that it lines up with a rank 5.

So if rank 1 = 12345 and rank 5 = 5, then you'd win both, but only get to choose from rank 1.


So there is more then one drawing?

Rank 1 Drawing: 1 2 3 4 5
Rank 2 Drawing : 4 5 1 3
Rank 3 Drawing 9 1 4

Yes.. no?
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AlexFitz wrote:
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I believe a rank 1 number can be drawn in such a way that it lines up with a rank 5.

So if rank 1 = 12345 and rank 5 = 5, then you'd win both, but only get to choose from rank 1.


So there is more then one drawing?

Rank 1 Drawing: 1 2 3 4 5
Rank 2 Drawing : 4 5 1 3
Rank 3 Drawing 9 1 4

Yes.. no?
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Not sure why this seems confusing to me, something tells me I'm overthinking it.
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Not sure why this seems confusing to me, something tells me I'm overthinking it.


Haha, well I think I pretty much get it at this point, but im really hoping I don't wind up getting nothing but a Mog Missile.

I have a strange feeling when I participated in this event long ago.. thats all I got. Im really hoping I get something good this time
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Not sure why this seems confusing to me, something tells me I'm overthinking it.


Haha, well I think I pretty much get it at this point, but im really hoping I don't wind up getting nothing but a Mog Missile.

I have a strange feeling when I participated in this event long ago.. thats all I got. Im really hoping I get something good this time


There's a way to guarantee getting a rank 5 reward. Since you can purchase 10 marbles, and rank 5 will be a number from 0 to 9, just make sure that each marble you have ends with a different number.

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XXXX1
XXXX2
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